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JS96 said:
The rate at which they've been able to get quality players in is faster than any other club in the EFL.

Their recruiting from the 5th to 3rd division was always of that higher than the grade which allowed them to easily go up.
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Of course, they now have rich owners and good luck to them. I would suggest that you research the history of North Wales and Wrexham in particular. They are truly blessed to have these two guys put their money in, a real rags to riches story and it isn’t over yet.
 
I can see both sides of the coin here. Understandably people think it’s become too corporate but on the other hand Wrexham are more successful and well-known than ever before.
 
libelous said:
Of course, they now have rich owners and good luck to them. I would suggest that you research the history of North Wales and Wrexham in particular. They are truly blessed to have these two guys put their money in, a real rags to riches story and it isn’t over yet.
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Rags to riches is earned, not by lotto wins. I get the club was nearly bankrupt but their beginnings were much more humble than the bling that has come to them. Ridiculous tours to Australia are an example of how far financially they're supported compared to Leyton Orient, Gillingham or Plymouth.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
I can see both sides of the coin here. Understandably people think it’s become too corporate but on the other hand Wrexham are more successful and well-known than ever before.
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Money and support is good but the growth should come organically rather than having so much leverage to recruit with ease. It's become a cheat code.

What you end up getting is clubs like Malaga, Anzhi or PSG that are so plastic and commercialised that the apparel becomes a fashion statement more than a football club.

Yes, the business side is then successful but I don't think working class clubs want or need that.

If a team is bad then the suits run away. The moment they improve they come leeching for their cut.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
I can see both sides of the coin here. Understandably people think it’s become too corporate but on the other hand Wrexham are more successful and well-known than ever before.
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I was born a few miles from Wrexham and would love to have a benefactor for my local team now languishing in division two. It would mean the world to the people who turn up week in week out to watch their team. Football is very tribal particularly in the lower echelons .
 
JS96 said:
Money and support is good but the growth should come organically rather than having so much leverage to recruit with ease. It's become a cheat code.

What you end up getting is clubs like Malaga, Anzhi or PSG that are so plastic and commercialised that the apparel becomes a fashion statement more than a football club.

Yes, the business side is then successful but I don't think working class clubs want or need that.

If a team is bad then the suits run away. The moment they improve they come leeching for their cut.
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But isn't that every club in the champions league? I don't like Wrexham either more because people start liking them because of reynolds
 
libelous said:
As I said before ‘tall poppy syndrome’.
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It's not tall poppy syndrome when it's gifted to you. Wrexham have bought their way to the top and turned it into a media circus. The club isn't anywhere near what they were before the money.

What happens when it stales and the owners pull out? They end up back where they were unless they implement some sustainable financial management.
 
melbcityguy said:
But isn't that every club in the champions league? I don't like Wrexham either more because people start liking them because of reynolds
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Essential yes but that's what has diluted the UCL if it wasn't already.

You get the odd fairytale like Bodo but otherwise it's boring and repetitive and that's even with the reformed league system.

I don't know what it was but in 2017 or around there the knockout stage was big. I spreading the matchdays also closed the spectacle of following multiple ties on a night.
 
JS96 though got to say you can’t pick your ogarlords.
They pick you.
Look I’m no fan of the owners other commercial business but in ways I’m happy for a struggling club for yonks climb the ladder.
Today it will always be due to the money full stop.
Hopefully the club keeps its identity importantly and yes success brings increased costs that in time will hurt some long time locals no diff to what’s happened to the many who were long time epl club members now getting tapped out for more corporates.
I agree that stinks but this is way pro sport has gone line most things and gonna get worse.
 
LFC said:
JS96 though got to say you can’t pick your ogarlords.
They pick you.
Look I’m no fan of the owners other commercial business but in ways I’m happy for a struggling club for yonks climb the ladder.
Today it will always be due to the money full stop.
Hopefully the club keeps its identity importantly and yes success brings increased costs that in time will hurt some long time locals no diff to what’s happened to the many who were long time epl club members now getting tapped out for more corporates.
I agree that stinks but this is way pro sport has gone line most things and gonna get worse.
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All true but that's why people are reverting to non league or the EFL. Thankfully there are plenty of EFL clubs that aren't polished up and while the goal is to eventually go up, it's much more about self sustainability and community.
 
Carnnts...

Southampton caught spying

EFL demands answers after Middlesbrough throw out intruder who was filming training session

Martin Hardy - Northern Sports Correspondent

Southampton have been asked for an explanation by the Football League after a member of their staff was caught by Middlesbrough spying on a training session before the clubs’ Championship play-off semi-final.

It is understood the figure, reportedly a Southampton first-team analyst, was spotted on the perimeter of the club’s base yesterday morning. The man, who was filming Middlesbrough’s training session on his phone, was approached by members of the club’s staff. It is claimed he then deleted video footage from his phone before going to the Rockliffe Hall Hotel and Spa, which is adjacent to the club’s training ground, and then leaving.

Middlesbrough, who are understood to have CCTV footage of the incident, are furious and wrote to the EFL to ask for a full explanation. The EFL then contacted Southampton.

The first leg of the semi-final kicks off at lunchtime tomorrow at the Riverside Stadium, with the return leg at St Mary’s on Tuesday night. The winner will go into the play-off final at Wembley on May 23, a fixture dubbed the richest in the world for the amount of money the winner makes from getting to the Premier League. Kim Hellberg, Middlesbrough’s head coach, held a press conference at the same Hurworth training facility yesterday afternoon but did not mention the incident.

The EFL released a statement last night which read: “The EFL has written to Southampton FC requesting their observations following a complaint from Middlesbrough FC relating to alleged unauthorised filming ahead of the two clubs meeting in Saturday’s Championship play-off semi-final first leg. The League is treating this matter as potential misconduct under EFL regulations and will be making no further comment at this time.”

Southampton did not reply when approached by The Times.

The incident will add further spice to the mix when Middlesborough clash with Tonda Eckert’s side over the two legs. It is reminiscent of a similar incident from 2019, when a member of Marcelo Bielsa’s Leeds United coaching staff was spotted watching Derby County’s training before a Championship game against Frank Lampard’s side. Leeds were found to have breached EFL regulation 3.4, which states clubs must act with “utmost good faith” towards each other. They were fined £200,000 and reprimanded by the EFL.

The league then introduced a new rule that states: “Without prejudice to the requirements of regulations 3.4 (that each club shall behave towards each other club with the utmost good faith) no club shall directly or indirectly oversee (or attempt to observe) another club’s training session in the period of 72 hours prior to any match scheduled to be played between those respective clubs.”

Eckert, 33, was initially appointed Southampton’s interim head coach last November before he was given the job on a permanent basis the following month.
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A panel will meet no later than Tuesday to decide Southampton's fate. This is frustrating as Boro are still training and we can't get McGree to have some vacation starting now before joining the camp.
 
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