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oranges said:
It's not that far fetched. Obviously it would work better if clubs owned their own grounds - but in Brazil Serie D starts three weeks after the end of the state leagues (which serve as qualifiers). Originally it's how clubs qualified for Serie A but expansion of the national professionalised leagues means now it's down to Serie D.
I don't think it's a bad model at all for an Australian second division (maybe into the A-L is slightly fanciful), and it means A-League sides would play more games earlier in the year - which is obviously necessary.
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My point it is impossible to plan and organise everything that goes with it , not restricted to travel and accommodation just for the clubs, never mind supporters. Two weeks to organise tickets and memberships is never happening.
 
melbcityguy said:
www.abc.net.au

'No stadium, no team': AFL refuses to budge on Hobart project

A group of Tasmanian politicians opposed to the proposed Hobart stadium has failed to convince the AFL to abandon the contentious project during a meeting in Melbourne.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Tassie anyone??
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I recall about 15 years ago, one of the Flanagan brothers was lamenting that the local news were covering more football than AFL because the AFL was dying in Tassie. We have two teams from NZ (another basket case island) but can't get one in Tassie?
 
melbcityguy said:
www.abc.net.au

'No stadium, no team': AFL refuses to budge on Hobart project

A group of Tasmanian politicians opposed to the proposed Hobart stadium has failed to convince the AFL to abandon the contentious project during a meeting in Melbourne.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Tassie anyone??
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dreams of a tassie a league team is one of the reasons an nst H&A is delayed (need 3 states with 10 teams minimum and Pignata had a statement opposing the tassie bid because he wanted a tassie a league team)
 
grazorblade said:
dreams of a tassie a league team is one of the reasons an nst H&A is delayed (need 3 states with 10 teams minimum and Pignata had a statement opposing the tassie bid because he wanted a tassie a league team)
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I've heard it was 4 states/feds minimum. Technically, Pignata didn't oppose South Hobart's "Team Tasmania" bid, he just didn't support it right now haha.

I'm guessing that with his big plans for soccer facilities to be built in the south, north, and northwest, he's more hopeful of generous government funding for that and an A-League team, and putting his eggs in that basket first to secure three big facilities.

It's a really interesting time in Tassie right now. The next couple of years will determine its long term future for football of any kind.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
I recall about 15 years ago, one of the Flanagan brothers was lamenting that the local news were covering more football than AFL because the AFL was dying in Tassie. We have two teams from NZ (another basket case island) but can't get one in Tassie?
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If the money was there, a team would be in Tasmania. The money isn't there. Not hard to see why - small, dispersed population with an impassable north/south divide; AFL dominated culture; shrinking population; basket case economy dependent on tax handouts from the mainland states.

Posters on this forum often seem to think two erronious things: firstly, that there isn't a team in Tasmania because somehow the APL isn't interested, and, secondly, that the dominant mainstream AFL culture can be swayed to take an interest in football.

There are teams in Wellington and Auckland because investors put the money up and the concentrated populations bases are there.

It is a serious stretch to think that an A League team can get up in Hobart when the AFL can't manage it with the support of the Premier.
 
It shouldn’t be about swaying them to like ⚽️ per se, but just appealing to their state-parochialism vs. the rest of the nation; keep in mind TAS still isn’t represented in most(?) 🇦🇺 national sporting-competitions, but by&large they do get behind the ones they’re a part of. Put simply, it goes w/o saying most of the state’s population wouldn’t live&breathe 🏀 per se..but it doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t give a hoot whatsoever about the JackJumpers in the NBL..

As for the FFA/APL..yeah, I would have to disagree and state that they aren’t committed to ALM expansion in the state bc it’s not particularly(if at all) important to them. If it were, the situation simply wouldn’t be what it is now.
 
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Frankly Speaking said:
If the money was there, a team would be in Tasmania. The money isn't there. Not hard to see why - small, dispersed population with an impassable north/south divide; AFL dominated culture; shrinking population; basket case economy dependent on tax handouts from the mainland states.

Posters on this forum often seem to think two erronious things: firstly, that there isn't a team in Tasmania because somehow the APL isn't interested, and, secondly, that the dominant mainstream AFL culture can be swayed to take an interest in football.

There are teams in Wellington and Auckland because investors put the money up and the concentrated populations bases are there.

It is a serious stretch to think that an A League team can get up in Hobart when the AFL can't manage it with the support of the Premier.
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Not sure the APL aren't interested in Tassie, but FFA weren't.

From case studies 15 years ago for a Tassie team:

Each of the financial models presented in the business case, when benchmarked against the current financial performance of existing A-League teams and an average annual loss of approximately $1.5 million, demonstrates that the proposed Tasmanian A-League team would financially outperform many of the existing A-League teams.

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HappyGuus said:
Not sure the APL aren't interested in Tassie, but FFA weren't.

From case studies 15 years ago for a Tassie team:

Each of the financial models presented in the business case, when benchmarked against the current financial performance of existing A-League teams and an average annual loss of approximately $1.5 million, demonstrates that the proposed Tasmanian A-League team would financially outperform many of the existing A-League teams.

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Impressive data. Even accounting for the 2008 sample date, I am very, very skeptical about that Tas United supporter figure, because the total pop is 500k and because it is well out of the ballpark, proportionally, to support in the other centres. I wonder how the data was collected, by whom, and how the final figures were arrived at.

Anyway, as someone who grew up in Tasmania, I wish any bid well. I will, however, be astonished, in a good way, if Tasmania has an A League team in the next 25 years, minimum. Someone has to stump up the money, and there is no angle from which I can see Tasmania presenting as an attractive option.

Again, it isn't about whether FFA or APL are interested. Only potential investors matter.
 
BA81 said:
It shouldn’t be about swaying them to like ⚽️ per se, but just appealing to their state-parochialism vs. the rest of the nation; keep in mind TAS still isn’t represented in most(?) 🇦🇺 national sporting-competitions, but by&large they do get behind the ones they’re a part of. Put simply, it goes w/o saying most of the state’s population wouldn’t live&breathe 🏀 per se..but it doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t give a hoot whatsoever about the JackJumpers in the NBL..

As for the FFA/APL..yeah, I would have to disagree and state that they aren’t committed to ALM expansion in the state bc it’s not particularly(if at all) important to them. If it were, the situation simply wouldn’t be what it is now.
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I grew up there and played football there as junior and adult. People from outside the state often do not understand the extent to which the culture there lives and breathes AFL.

Anyway, moot point. Either the money is there or it isn't. Agree that APL show little interest in expansion BUT, as we have seen with Auckland, if someone fronts with the cash...
 
Tassie along with Canberra are deadbeat places for a ALM teams. A team in North Queensland and one in Christchurch.
 
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