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[Football us life]

I agree with you I've always been in favour of fully paying my taxes. I prefer not to partake in avoidance. I'm reasonably well off. But I believe paying your taxes is a highly important part of life enhancement for everyone.

Unlike the British deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner who has admitted she knowingly underpaid stamp duty on a property purchase and looks like she'll have to resign her position.....

From the left faction of the Labour Party too....

Politicians eh??

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

How about this. Any personal income exceeding $1 billion dollars is taxed at 75% or does that make me a communist?

Hell I'd make it $100 million. How much money do you need when you couldn't spend it in 10 lifetimes.

And before someone says taxation is theft ask yourself, would you rather a kid got decent dental care or your grandma got appropriate aged care or some bloke has a bank account with $400 billion in it?

Pinko commie..... hahahah How dare you care about anyone BUT yourself? Frrreeeedoooommmm

 

[tsf]

The funny thing about the pea brains at the anti-immigration protests, they are too thick to even blame the source of why their lives are so miserable - the ultra capitalists and billionaires.

Billionaires are happy because they have a scapegoat to point their finger at for the thick and they just go along with it.

yeah, your house is rising by 5x more than wage increases over the last 20 years because we have a bunch of students from Costa Rica coming in ffs

 

[Football us life]

The funny thing about the pea brains at the anti-immigration protests, they are too thick to even blame the source of why their lives are so miserable - the ultra capitalists and billionaires.

Billionaires are happy because they have a scapegoat to point their finger at for the thick and they just go along with it.

yeah, your house is rising by 5x more than wage increases over the last 20 years because we have a bunch of students from Costa Rica coming in ffs

Pretty much....

Blaming immigrants is the easy way out. And there's certainly a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation out there about the links between migration - housing shortages, job security and lack of wage growth, cost of living pressures, and infrastructure....

Granted, the federal government could probably manage certain aspects of it better but that's not the fault of the guy arriving from India with his wife, kids fully visa- ed up who just wants to make a go of it.

 

[tsf]

I’m not even firmly pro or anti immigration. I am aware though the reality is we need migrants here. I am also aware that certain groups bring issues and we can’t have a free for all.


But to blame the economy on migrants just tells me that you’re either one of two things

1. Thick
2. Rich and hoodwinking the thick.

 

[Football us life]

I’m not even firmly pro or anti immigration. I am aware though the reality is we need migrants here. I am also aware that certain groups bring issues and we can’t have a free for all.


But to blame the economy on migrants just tells me that you’re either one of two things

1. Thick
2. Rich and hoodwinking the thick.

It's generally speaking well controlled, well intentioned immigration into Australia. And what you've got from that is probably one of the most successful multicultural society's in the world.

You're always going to have occurring issues with certain individuals but nothing that can't be ironed out.

I'm one myself. I think it's pretty good.

 

[tsf]

It's generally speaking well controlled, well intentioned immigration into Australia. And what you've got from that is probably one of the most successful multicultural society's in the world.

You're always going to have occurring issues with certain individuals but nothing that can't be ironed out.

I'm one myself. I think it's pretty good.

When they're handing out the VISAs and they get to Sudan on the list, just skip past and go straight to Suriname or Sweden

 

[Football us life]

When they're handing out the VISAs and they get to Sudan on the list, just skip past and go straight to Suriname or Sweden

One of the problems with the anti-immigration protesters, not just here in Australia, but in many other western countries is that they are being drawn to nostalgic visions of the past....

And while the political power of nostalgia is real, with its visions of half-remembered histories the reality is that nostalgia is a seductive liar.

Without migrants here and again in every western country throughout the world, said countries are going to be well and truly farked. Migrants are the future. A decade from now countries like Australia, the UK, Germany and even Japan will be fighting each other to be the destination of choice for the world's migrants.

 

[JS96]

One of the problems with the anti-immigration protesters, not just here in Australia, but in many other western countries is that they are being drawn to nostalgic visions of the past....

And while the political power of nostalgia is real, with its visions of half-remembered histories the reality is that nostalgia is a seductive liar.

Without migrants here and again in every western country throughout the world, said countries are going to be well and truly farked. Migrants are the future. A decade from now countries like Australia, the UK, Germany and even Japan will be fighting each other to be the destination of choice for the world's migrants.

I notice two schools of thought. There are those who celebrate migration into western nations and brush off the concerns of cultural change. Be it in another country with proud heritage such as many in South America or Asia then it's 'oh no we can't have these poor proud nations losing their identity. That's all they have.'

The billionaires and politicians are the ones lobbying and implementing policy for these numbers. People are rightly mad at them but you can't blame them for also being annoyed at the migrants choosing these programs to enter other countries. Any place in the world won't take lightly to a sudden influx of people even if there is better planning.

Again if it happens in a less fortunate country then people harp on about the poor host country and they shouldn't have their living situation affected by new arrivals. Look at Venezualans in Colombia and Americans and Portugal. The locals hate it and are receive support from the exact same people who denounce calls for immigration reform in western countries. Migration to Canada the past 10 years is a shameful act. It's absolutely stuffed up the place.

Skilled migration is fine within reason. In turn the government need policies promoting more organic growth and a steady birth rate. They've been absolutely shit for the past 30 years and now we see all those problems coming to fruition.

 

[Football us life]

I notice two schools of thought. There are those who celebrate migration into western nations and brush off the concerns of cultural change. Be it in another country with proud heritage such as many in South America or Asia then it's 'oh no we can't have these poor proud nations losing their identity. That's all they have.'

The billionaires and politicians are the ones lobbying and implementing policy for these numbers. People are rightly mad at them but you can't blame them for also being annoyed at the migrants choosing these programs to enter other countries. Any place in the world won't take lightly to a sudden influx of people even if there is better planning.

Again if it happens in a less fortunate country then people harp on about the poor host country and they shouldn't have their living situation affected by new arrivals. Look at Venezualans in Colombia and Americans and Portugal. The locals hate it and are receive support from the exact same people who denounce calls for immigration reform in western countries. Migration to Canada the past 10 years is a shameful act. It's absolutely stuffed up the place.

Skilled migration is fine within reason. In turn the government need policies promoting more organic growth and a steady birth rate. They've been absolutely shit for the past 30 years and now we see all those problems coming to fruition.

I think this is a well considered viewpoint too. People, everyday normal law abiding people are going to have concerns about blending economic issues, social and national identity and cultural stability. It's not always those on the hardline anti-immigrant margins.

It's a very nuanced and at time difficult debate, but a debate that is worth having....

 

[JS96]

I think this is a well considered viewpoint too. People, everyday normal law abiding people are going to have concerns about blending economic issues, social and national identity and cultural stability. It's not always those on the hardline anti-immigrant margins.

It's a very nuanced and at time difficult debate, but a debate that is worth having....

Plenty of interviews at the marches had people who spoke rationally. Crackers were about too. Why even bother going to these things? Well, some regular people felt their presence was needed. They may or may not go again.

Invariably the everyday person will express their concerns and get egged on by hardliners and screamed down by the other side. I get why many who took an interest in a matter became indifferent due to exhaustion.

 

[tsf]

One of the problems with the anti-immigration protesters, not just here in Australia, but in many other western countries is that they are being drawn to nostalgic visions of the past....
migrants.

There is a book - 'The good old days? They were horrible'

it's all about just how shit life really was in the decades/centuries previous

 

[JS96]

There is a book - 'The good old days? They were horrible'

it's all about just how shit life really was in the decades/centuries previous

I think all of us would take the modern medicine and certain conveniences of today.

There are certain things from previous decades such as resilience or better debating culture that people miss. I think you can only really gauge it if you lived in both times.

A broken leg in the old days was a really shit thing.

 

[tsf]

I think all of us would take the modern medicine and certain conveniences of today.

There are certain things from previous decades such as resilience or better debating culture that people miss. I think you can only really gauge it if you lived in both times.

A broken leg in the old days was a really shit thing.

Even basic things, food, clothing etc

Not to mention things like punishments etc

 

[JS96]

Even basic things, food, clothing etc

Not to mention things like punishments etc

Should bring some of the latter back!

What a time now for a few bucks we can get whatever and put it in our eyes or up our nose. I guess they had home remedies back then for some horrible eye infections.

Still, certain aspects of a simpler time in the 50s to 70s, which wasn't necessarily prosperous everywhere, is what some miss. Perhaps friendships, courting and communication were more genuine. People certainly don't talk as much in public anymore. There is the odd person who starts a conversation on something interesting and it's a bit of a talent these days.

 

[Football us life]

There is a book - 'The good old days? They were horrible'

it's all about just how shit life really was in the decades/centuries previous

And if you read history, what jumps out is the speed of change in any period - change in technology, warfare, class relations, disease and, yes, migration.....

Migration has been a feature of human existence for decades, for centuries, for millennia!

People often think of migration as a recent phenomenon. But it's been going on since the first dispersal of human populations across the globe from Africa. What historians call 'the foundational migration story', with the case of Australia, evidence suggesting people first migrated here from the African continent between 40,000 and 60,000 years ago.

It goes hand on hand with the story of humanity and its progress. I'm probably a bit like you, I'm not massively pro-migration and I'm not particularly anti-migration. But I kinda happily accept it without wasting my energy worrying about it.

And as I've said before in this thread, it may not be a perfect science but like it or not, it's probably going to change!

 

[JS96]

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/new-zealand-photographer-in-melbourne-experienced-culture-shock-at-violent-protests/news-story/94ec821f020f9a3636380bf2da3ce9f4

Policing at Australian protests is like puppy yoga compared to Europe. Unless it's the A League or course.

I wish for the day you could go to a Bundesliga game and not have checkpoints and be frisked.

 

[Muz]

Haven't caught up yet with all the above but will read through it later so apologies if this has been covered.

So a bloke on the weekend sneeringly commented on these anti-immigration protesters saying 'who do they think is going to look after the aging population if it wasn't for immigration'. Which is true but also an exercise in kicking the can down the road and not seeing the forest for the trees.

Let's say you have 800 people going into aged care each each so you bring in 1600 immigrants to pay taxes and work in those facilities to look after them. (Probably need way more but keep things simple at 2:1.) Those very same people will need looking after in 20, 30 or 40 years time and every year more and more old people are going into aged care. So 1600 becomes 3200 become 6400, 12800, etc etc

Fast forward 30 years and now you have 80 million people in Australia and you need to bring in 2 million people a year to look after the aging population that you brought in decades before to look after the aging population. Repeat ad nauseum.

What the fuck!?

And as we said before with plummeting birth rates and a worldwide population decline things are going to get very hairy in the future.

 

[erogenouszone]

I wonder if those protesters get food delivery regularly. They would be shocked at the nationality of all of the riders.

 

[Beretta]

Community reacts to stabbing deaths of two children in Melbourne suburb

Two boys, aged 12 and 15, died on the streets of Melbourne's outer-west overnight after being stabbed in attacks police say had "the hallmarks of youth gang crime".

www.abc.net.au

import the 3rd world and become it.

Melbourne what a shit tip of a place to live in.