Match stats/analysis for recent Socceroo games

[Decentric]

All very valid points but I'd expect after a number of caps, a player would be very stable at international level. If someone still looks lost or isn't performing well then we need to try others. We've seen it already that Toure, Balard and Bos are of the grade and more.

I can see O'Neill's value but my gripe is still and over reliance on him and using Miller, the worst technically able football in a long time, as our main path of attack.

I think many foreign coaches would come in and drop Miller immediately.

Miller's is a better ball winner and the biggest physical presence as RWB.

If any opposition bully our W Right Wing Backs, or right sided forwards when Miller plays or comes on as a sub, Miller nullifies bullies! He is immensely strong and uses his body superbly in physical clashes.

The opposing bullies then tend to get upset with Miller outmuscling them, and lose concentration as they get annoyed with the Blackburn player!

Miller has aerial power at attacking and defensive set pieces too.

Miller is one player who has played in Scotland and is performing for the Aus national team effectively. I know he is now a Blackburn player in English Champ - now a much more technical league.

Another CB I'm delighted got a start is Trewin. He can also play DM.

I think Trewin is the best technician Aus has on the ball of all the CBs we have for selection, along with Circati. It is positional play, and 1v1 defending against rugged forwards where Trewein needs to be tested internationally.

Trewin also thinks quickly and at AL and ACL level has good game sense.

He has extremely fast handling speed, and is very two footed.

Re O'Neill, he is our experienced DM.

He wins a lot of hard balls, and with his greater experience tends to make more intercepts from good reading of play than our other DMs - bar none.

Grazor noted it was Neill's timely intercept against Japan B, that created the brilliant McGree assist for Behich to bury Japan.

O'Neill is two footed and a good passer. O'Neill and Okon Jr ( with more experience) could be a terrific DM combo, although Balard and Yazbek are doing well too.

 

[Decentric]

I think many foreign coaches would come in and drop Miller immediately.

I don't subscribe to the notion that foreign coaches are better than our experienced Aus coaches anymore.

Most of Popa, Aloisi, Muscat, Arnie, Ange, et al, have had to undergo Aus coach education - based on KNVB, Clarefontane, Spain and Germany.

Were Pim, Guus, Holger and Bert VM ( a World Cup finalist with Netherlands and highest credentialled Socceroo coach to date) decidedly better than the Ange, Arnie and Popa in recent times?

 

[verrelli]

Would love to know the W/L ratio of Aussie versus international Socceroos managers, say since 1990. @NicCarBel

Is there any global data that compares the two, perhaps in world cups?

 

[Decentric]

yep and yep.

Over time when I've seen you post, you are a pretty positive person person outside football issues, but you appear to see little inherent value in the AL or Socceroos, LFC.

Everything good about football appears to be Eurocentric or UEFAcentric.

Am I correct?

Is there anything good about any current aspect of the Socceroos, LFC?

 

[LFC]

Over time when I've seen you post, you are a pretty positive person person outside football issues, but you appear to see little inherent value in the AL or Socceroos, LFC.

Everything good about football appears to be Eurocentric or UEFAcentric.

Am I correct?

Is there anything good about any current aspect of the Socceroos, LFC?

ah D, I do like seeing the bright side but I also say/see how it is, don't we all........
Far enough questions you ask - obviously triggered by my aggreeance with JS96 re Miller.
Clear that up right now - Bos, thats my expectation level/standard for our RB, he ain't anywhere near that full stop no matter what stats you throw up.
If I recall right RIMB mentioned, he opposing a nibble/gifted LW he tears that bloke to shreds more than 50% of the time - even if its less 1/2 decent cross's or shots lead to goals.
If his timing isn't bang on he's done toasted.

Yep I see the AL/APL system a massive handbrake/bottle neck on the countless possible up and comers, I do not like what its doing to us, limiting our player pool - glad to see some players getting somewhere in their profession and yes I expect more knowing what we are up against being you question my Euro/UEFA interest, thats the bar incl latin america ways of play........
We just played a NT that has never qualified for the WC for eg.....despite your Poppa trying out many and playing a known out of position/stupidly you'd hope to have seen some kind of control/good passages/many 2nd ball wins over stages but there was very very few.
Sure we looked ok very late 85min on or abouts when the V's may have backed off a little had us covered mainly.
I think it was sub McGree layed on a rippa/peach through ball for sub A Toure to run on for a great chance, I don't blame AToure not scoring but wow best bit of play most half.
At a guess many of the V players are probably playing in similar league levels to what we had on the park ???
It looked a training run for them - you got to want the ball in the first place (that we didn't) and that they did.
Pretty piss poor for important WC preparation with limited time tbh thems the facts - thats the way I see it.
We played in a passive neutral ground - despite the flipped around starting line up you expect those players to make the very most of the opportunity and show what they can do - not much, that was their golden chance so what does it say about the picture short term what were producing - you want to see the spunk, if you error thats fine but keep putting in show us some spunk.

Poppa like arnie play damage control football 99.9% of the time - fear of losing <<< all this would weigh on players minds in pre and post briefs.
Why do we see Ange being ripped - for he has a go.
Wasting Irakunda once again - such a promising talent and he chokes him - 5 backs, midfield so deep, lacking lanes/vision, your a lone soldier, no hope.
As for our Roo shirt naturally right behind our NT - we have some wonderful players who show great potential but can the coach expose their worth let alone pick a squad that can exploit the talent there is - thats my outlook looking at the kind of Euro/UEFA/ME and latino opponents we will face.

 

[Frankly Speaking]

He was the best in Championship basket case and he didn't want to move on due to some fitness issues and not uprooting again. He was fine in the Championship at the time.

As always, time will tell. He's had such high expectations placed on his shoulders. His current circumstances must be a challenge for him. I wish him well.

 

[Frankly Speaking]

ah D, I do like seeing the bright side but I also say/see how it is, don't we all........
Far enough questions you ask - obviously triggered by my aggreeance with JS96 re Miller.
Clear that up right now - Bos, thats my expectation level/standard for our RB, he ain't anywhere near that full stop no matter what stats you throw up.
If I recall right RIMB mentioned, he opposing a nibble/gifted LW he tears that bloke to shreds more than 50% of the time - even if its less 1/2 decent cross's or shots lead to goals.
If his timing isn't bang on he's done toasted.

Yep I see the AL/APL system a massive handbrake/bottle neck on the countless possible up and comers, I do not like what its doing to us, limiting our player pool - glad to see some players getting somewhere in their profession and yes I expect more knowing what we are up against being you question my Euro/UEFA interest, thats the bar incl latin america ways of play........
We just played a NT that has never qualified for the WC for eg.....despite your Poppa trying out many and playing a known out of position/stupidly you'd hope to have seen some kind of control/good passages/many 2nd ball wins over stages but there was very very few.
Sure we looked ok very late 85min on or abouts when the V's may have backed off a little had us covered mainly.
I think it was sub McGree layed on a rippa/peach through ball for sub A Toure to run on for a great chance, I don't blame AToure not scoring but wow best bit of play most half.
At a guess many of the V players are probably playing in similar league levels to what we had on the park ???
It looked a training run for them - you got to want the ball in the first place (that we didn't) and that they did.
Pretty piss poor for important WC preparation with limited time tbh thems the facts - thats the way I see it.
We played in a passive neutral ground - despite the flipped around starting line up you expect those players to make the very most of the opportunity and show what they can do - not much that was their golden chance so what does it say about the picture short term what were producing - you want to see the spunk, if you error thats fine but keep putting in show us some spunk.

Poppa like arnie play damage control football 99.9% of the time - fear of losing <<< all this would weigh on players minds in pre and post briefs.
Why do we see Ange being ripped - for he has a go.
Wasting Irakunda once again - such a promising talent and he chokes him - 5 backs, midfield so deep, lacking lanes/vision, your a lone soldier, no hope.
As for our Roo shirt naturally right behind our NT - we have some wonderful players who show great potential but can the coach expose their worth let alone pick a squad that can exploit the talent there is - thats my outlook looking at the kind of Euro/UEFA/ME and latino opponents we will face.

Agree on every point.

 

[BA81]

I don't subscribe to the notion that foreign coaches are better than our experienced Aus coaches anymore.

Most of Popa, Aloisi, Muscat, Arnie, Ange, et al, have had to undergo Aus coach education - based on KNVB, Clarefontane, Spain and Germany.

Were Pim, Guus, Holger and Bert VM ( a World Cup finalist with Netherlands and highest credentialled Socceroo coach to date) decidedly better than the Ange, Arnie and Popa in recent times?

Guus? No question whatsoever - of course he was..!

Arnie and Popa are cavemen who we should be moving as far TF away from as possible in terms of ing philosophy as a nation, I'm sorry - that's the hill I'm dying on. Also goes for Arthur Diles at my club; just a sh1t-talker who can't back it up.

 

[patjennings]

Unlike our other cm options, Okon doesnt need to be in a good position to be effective and can recieve the ball even when a marker is close! He could be useful if he learns poppas system even at this early stage of his career

My unpopular opinion- he won't be a starter for Sydney by the end of the season

 

[Decentric]

My unpopular opinion- he won't be a starter for Sydney by the end of the season

Wow!

I’m at the 3 min 40sec mark of the Venuezela game. Just before it probably goes pear shaped.

Aus looking very good - ATM. Apart from Degenek, so many Roos have received and passed effectively under Ven Squeezing pressure.

Okon Jr is excelling on the ball for first game against quality opponent! He is operating well in limited time and space.

The move where Beach played to Trewin, who under pressure played to Metcalfe, with superb touch under pressure played to unmarked Goodwin, then played a slide rule pass to Mo Toure in pen box, who then dribbled around his marker and shot on target - was exquisite curriculum football!

Coaches in Aus have been shown heaps of videos like this trying to emulate it. Ven’s gegenpressing was beaten.

Okon Jr has Dad’s on ball skill, but is a better ball winner.

Metcalfe’s run to go to far post, and subsequent follow up shot - is superb team play - and shows good game sense.

 

[LFC]

Guus? No question whatsoever - of course he was..!

Arnie and Popa are cavemen who we should be moving as far TF away from as possible in terms of ing philosophy as a nation, I'm sorry - that's the hill I'm dying on. Also goes for Arthur Diles at my club; just a sh1t-talker who can't back it up.

you won't convince a "stat" man.
Arnie got to R16 and was voted by a french mag some sort of gong therefore he'll go down stat's history as da best.
Guus, absolutely stands above all those mentioned - you only had to listen to his comments on the Last Kick doco the other night how he worked our boys and JA even mentioned how good he was and his timing of subs at very critical times.
His tenure beats them ALL - far less bells and whistles like these modern day robotic defensive analytical ones, I like Poppa nothing personal but I can't see him unlock the treasure chest - with all these new wonderous knvb trained skilled players - I expect we should be playing better !?

 

[JS96]

That tidy ball to Al Hassan was O'Neill. Need more of it.

 

[grazorblade]

you won't convince a "stat" man.
Arnie got to R16 and was voted by a french mag some sort of gong therefore he'll go down stat's history as da best.
Guus, absolutely stands above all those mentioned - you only had to listen to his comments on the Last Kick doco the other night how he worked our boys and JA even mentioned how good he was and his timing of subs at very critical times.
His tenure beats them ALL - far less bells and whistles like these modern day robotic defensive analytical ones, I like Poppa nothing personal but I can't see him unlock the treasure chest - with all these new wonderous knvb trained skilled players - I expect we should be playing better !?

well in that case I'm not sure its really stats doing the job there

making the r16, getting past peru, scoring against france and getting within 1 goal of argentina with probably our weakest side on paper since the mid 80s surely has to get some credit, even if the best quality was defense?

 

[Decentric]

At 9 min mark against Venuezela, Aus are still looking great!

Only Degenek though has had plenty of easy ball.

Aus seem to Squeeze intensely , sometimes, when Ven have ball deep in their defensive half.

Yet most of the time Popa’s teams don’t Squeeze much at all when the other team has the ball closer to the Aus defensive goal.

ATM Aus are decimating Ven in 1v1s, with Mo Toure and JS’s poster boy, Miller, leading the way. It is a consistent theme, but Miller seems to upset his opponents, putting them off their game in every match he plays! I’m not sure why he seems to induce so much body contact?

Miller thrives on it!

It is quite funny really! He is a battering ram for Aus high up the pitch against opponents who fancy themselves as hard men.

 

[Decentric]

well in that case I'm not sure its really stats doing the job there

making the r16, getting past peru, scoring against france and getting within 1 goal of argentina with probably our weakest side on paper since the mid 80s surely has to get some credit, even if the best quality was defense?

Well said!

 

[Decentric]

At the 9 min mark, there has been plenty of good Aus off the ball movement to open effective passing lanes to support the Roo on the ball in possession and Attacking Transitions.

Yet it is about to disappear from my memory of watching live.

 

[Decentric]

At this stage of 9 mins there have been 10 unique 1v1 duels.

Aus have won all 10!

 

[JS96]

At 9 min mark against Venuezela, Aus are still looking great!

Only Degenek though has had plenty of easy ball.

Aus seem to Squeeze intensely , sometimes, when Ven have ball deep in their defensive half.

Yet most of the time Popa’s teams don’t Squeeze much at all when the other team has the ball closer to the Aus defensive goal.

ATM Aus are decimating Ven in 1v1s, with Mo Toure and JS’s poster boy, Miller, leading the way. It is a consistent theme, but Miller seems to upset his opponents, putting them off their game in every match he plays! I’m not sure why he seems to induce so much body contact?

Miller thrives on it!

It is quite funny really! He is a battering ram for Aus high up the pitch against opponents who fancy themselves as hard men.

I get Miller is defensively sound but look at his feet when the ball comes to him. Was an exhausting watch the 90 min (game overall) and I spotted a few times where the easiest of takes was fumbled by Miller.

He's definitely a confidence player and even has a bit of acceleration. If a coach can just get him into an attacking greediness then we may see something. His crosses are getting firmer.

 

[JS96]

At this stage of 9 mins there have been 10 unique 1v1 duels.

Aus have won all 10!

Had Toure's shot gone in we may not be having half of these discussions. Perhaps we hold on 1:0 and the view is a pragmatic approach to let the opponent do few dangerous things on the ball.

 

[Decentric]

Conversely, at the 10 mins mark, Ven have played 9 successive passes with no Squeezing pressure (nobody closing them down) in the Aus defensive half.

Pressure was applied on the 10th Ven pass and they turned it over.

Is it the timing of the closing down of space that is important to Popa?