P n R This could work

[grazorblade]

Well it's about suitable locations for clubs first, not necessarily just the highest bidder like what gave us the Western United disaster.

It's a bit like the broadcast rights. It's not just about the highest bidder, you have to consider other factors like paywalls, promotion and added value, production costs etc.

The problem is it resembles central planning. Central planning often creates entities that start with a bang before collapsing. We had a town in australia, monarto, that was centrally planned and now a place of despair.

It is really hard to beat the free market with central planning unless you are trying to improve moral outcomes (e.g. help the poor, sick and elderly). Bidders are going to be naturally attracted to areas they think are most likely to work, so you give them the best chance if you let the market decide.

 

[HappyGuus]

Bidders are going to be naturally attracted to areas they think are most likely to work

True, but then we end up paying the price for one free market club's bad decisions (WU) instead of the centrally planned league choosing an appropriate spot (Auckland).

It's funny because I don't disagree with your point, I just don't want another WU

 

[grazorblade]

True, but then we end up paying the price for one free market club's bad decisions (WU) instead of the centrally planned league choosing an appropriate spot (Auckland).

It's funny because I don't disagree with your point, I just don't want another WU

Yeah in the end if one approach works better on average there will always be counter examples

We also don't know if Auckland future looks more like adelaide or more like wsw. Monarto was great to start too and the deceptivess of central planning is it really does work better at first before declining into despair

 

[ClockworkOrange]

The federations always want control. Imagine if the Championship said, “oh if you play EPL that’s fine but if you get relegated you start back in League 2.
I realise geography and finances are major issues, and the break between seasons is not long enough to prepare, get sponsorship, players etc. But you need to let clubs make the decision.
So promote two clubs every two years. The short form National League selects the promotion order from the top 8-10 clubs in the country.
Clubs have about 18 months to get their houses in order. They still play in their Federation league. A few rules. If you agree to be promoted and fall over financially, you can’t be considered again for 5 years. This encourages clubs who don’t think they are financially secure yet to pull out. You must agree to promotion or pull out with at least 12 months for the next team in order to get their ducks in a row.
New clubs, get first dibs on players from relegated clubs. They are considered uncontracted unless they stay with the original club. Relegated clubs can only stay up if there is no club wanting to take their place.

 

[HappyGuus]

We also don't know if Auckland future looks more like adelaide or more like wsw.

Yeah I'm sure Auckland will come back to the pack, don't think they'll fold this time. Although anything can happen when they eventually lose Foley.

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Oh, and if a federation whinges that there’s no Qld team … well, encourage and help your teams to get better.

 

[grazorblade]

Yeah I'm sure Auckland will come back to the pack, don't think they'll fold this time. Although anything can happen when they eventually lose Foley.

Yeah could get a bakries style owner haha

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Yeah could get a bakries style owner haha

I wouldn’t wish that on an AFL team.

 

[Midfielder]

No idea if this would work but I am putting it out for comment... won't get upset if it's negative just don't make it personal stick to the issue.

Maybe it's time for A-league members to contact their clubs and attach the Football360 articles and develop plan...

No idea the membership base but say 6k per club on average so 72k members and if say 20k members email their club, APL CEO and FA CEO.

Further also copy in channel 10 an Paramount...

No idea if would work, needs a good Wordsmith to get the suggestion onto the various socials, FB, club fans forum, this site, club FB pages, and anything that others can think of, in time News, ABC, will get the feeling a movement is happening.

Welcome comments.........

 

[grazorblade]

No idea if this would work but I am putting it out for comment... won't get upset if it's negative just don't make it personal stick to the issue.

Maybe it's time for A-league members to contact their clubs and attach the Football360 articles and develop plan...

No idea the membership base but say 6k per club on average so 72k members and if say 20k members email their club, APL CEO and FA CEO.

Further also copy in channel 10 an Paramount...

No idea if would work, needs a good Wordsmith to get the suggestion onto the various socials, FB, club fans forum, this site, club FB pages, and anything that others can think of, in time News, ABC, will get the feeling a movement is happening.

Welcome comments.........

My preference would be for a h&a nst and worry it's an either or proposition

Having said that I would rather either to neither and making noise is a good idea. Can be a race between npl clubs and the apl to get their first with their preferred model

 

[Midfielder]

Tis very true people outside A-league fans can also write...

The key takeaway from the Football360 article is to have a model everyone can live with rather than an NSL or an A-league model...

The key to this article is promotion is based around stability...

The other stakeholder is Silver lake...

It's not easy but I believe it's doable