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patjennings said:
Demographics change, boundaries change and so do political parties and they all have an effect.

At the end of the day it sometimes doesn't come down to 'footy tribe' loyalty but the individual member. When I was younger we had a local state member that the ministry used to call 'the minister for bus stops' because of his pursuit for his electorate.

That's why when an independent that fits the electorate is elected they become incredibly difficult to shift. They not only suit the sensibility of the voters they also fight for their voters needs over what would be a parties agenda.
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yep and that how/why Steggall got in, you got to read the room as my wife says.
Same applied to Johnny in Bennelong way back then when he lost his seat by McKew.
Hence growth of Independents.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
I disagree. Do you also think Labor will never win back seats it lost or are threatened with losing? Did you think seats like Parramatta on the state level would always stay Liberal once Labor lost them, and that they now won’t go back to the Liberals?
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What I'm saying is that the reasons those seats were lost were ultimately about the politics. Without dealing with the inherent conflict at the heart of the losses, I don't think the Libs can win them back in the foreseeable future. With a large demographic shift or a change in the politics that got them there, of course it's possible.

I also think the Labor party are due the very same reckoning.
 
Punchanello said:
What I'm saying is that the reasons those seats were lost were ultimately about the politics. Without dealing with the inherent conflict at the heart of the losses, I don't think the Libs can win them back in the foreseeable future. With a large demographic shift or a change in the politics that got them there, of course it's possible.

I also think the Labor party are due the very same reckoning.
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yes agree - what goes around comes around.
Times keep changing.
IF you don't keep up with the times your left behind, business rule #101, life the same for some.
 
Punchanello said:
What I'm saying is that the reasons those seats were lost were ultimately about the politics. Without dealing with the inherent conflict at the heart of the losses, I don't think the Libs can win them back in the foreseeable future. With a large demographic shift or a change in the politics that got them there, of course it's possible.

I also think the Labor party are due the very same reckoning.
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I agree but I still think it’s worth pointing out that most Liberal voters are still Liberals, but they are at risk if the party moves further to the right. There’s no real benefit for the nationwide voter base in moving further to the right. There’s already a right-wing party, there needs to be a centre-right one as well.
 
JS96 said:
www.abc.net.au

Average rental prices push six-figure income earners into rental stress

Housing advocacy group Everybody's Home says renting a unit now costs more than half the median take-home pay of a single worker in every Australian capital city.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Bravo!
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I assume the Bravo is sarcasm.

I'll quote what was actually said by Everybody's Home

"Changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax were positive overall.

"They're changes that we've been pushing for a really long time," she said.

"They're really good news for anyone who wants to make the housing system fairer, especially those renters who are trying to save to buy.
 
www.abc.net.au

'Corruption at highest level': Ex-ATO boss Chris Jordan named by KPMG whistleblower

Former tax commissioner Chris Jordan is accused of receiving more than $1 million in "secret commissions" during his time at KPMG in the 1990s, according to documents seen by the ABC.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

More corruption at the highest levels. Appointed as Tax Commissioner in 2013 while his alcohol and cocaine abuse were a badly kept secret. This is what happens when you establish a revolving door between the public and private sector and appoint your mates.
 
Punchanello said:
I assume the Bravo is sarcasm.

I'll quote what was actually said by Everybody's Home

"Changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax were positive overall.

"They're changes that we've been pushing for a really long time," she said.

"They're really good news for anyone who wants to make the housing system fairer, especially those renters who are trying to save to buy.
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A few years old but still relevant:

Social housing solution an unrealistic fantasy

Blind Freddy can see that Australia’s governments have failed dismally to provide enough public housing for the nation’s ballooning population. The following chart shows the disparity between the number of public and private sector housing completions in Australia over the course of a year...
www.macrobusiness.com.au www.macrobusiness.com.au
 
dr. bellows said:
A few years old but still relevant:

Social housing solution an unrealistic fantasy

Blind Freddy can see that Australia’s governments have failed dismally to provide enough public housing for the nation’s ballooning population. The following chart shows the disparity between the number of public and private sector housing completions in Australia over the course of a year...
www.macrobusiness.com.au www.macrobusiness.com.au
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Yep. Public housing is another government responsibility pawned off to the "market" in the great neoliberal experiment.
 
Punchanello said:
I assume the Bravo is sarcasm.

I'll quote what was actually said by Everybody's Home

"Changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax were positive overall.

"They're changes that we've been pushing for a really long time," she said.

"They're really good news for anyone who wants to make the housing system fairer, especially those renters who are trying to save to buy.
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A few years old but still relevant:
Punchanello said:
Yep. Public housing is another government responsibility pawned off to the "market" in the great neoliberal experiment.
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Government would never be able to build enough to match our immigration levels.
 
dr. bellows said:
Government would never be able to build enough to match our immigration levels.
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And immigration levels are not high enough to build new houses...

Without skilled migration, the domestic workforce alone often lacks the capacity to ramp up construction to the required scale.

Housing crises are often a complex mix of planning policies, financial structures, and labour market demographics rather than just a single lever governments can pull.
 
Football us life said:
And immigration levels are not high enough to build new houses...

Without skilled migration, the domestic workforce alone often lacks the capacity to ramp up construction to the required scale.

Housing crises are often a complex mix of planning policies, financial structures, and labour market demographics rather than just a single lever governments can pull.
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I'd need to be convinced of this theory (first sentence). It doesn't seem to align with the reality on the ground.
 
Whole sectors would crumble under the load of delivering social and health services without our immigration intake. Go to any hospital and look at who the nurses, wardstaff, cleaners and cooks are. Then there's the private sector. Building, transport and logistics would simply grind to a halt without them. I work those numbers on a daily basis.

The number is a fair but complex question. But at the end of the day it's about how to get the balance to ensure a standard of living and deliver basic services. Nobody bothers to articulate that complexity. It's just fear and paranoia and political BS.
 
Punchanello said:
Whole sectors would crumble under the load of delivering social and health services without our immigration intake. Go to any hospital and look at who the nurses, wardstaff, cleaners and cooks are. Then there's the private sector. Building, transport and logistics would simply grind to a halt without them. I work those numbers on a daily basis.

The number is a fair but complex question. But at the end of the day it's about how to get the balance to ensure a standard of living and deliver basic services. Nobody bothers to articulate that complexity. It's just fear and paranoia and political BS.
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I don't think anyone is arguing there shouldn't be any immigration intake.
 
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Punchanello said:
Nobody bothers to articulate that complexity.
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You're right. It's elementary economics and everyday business and services observation, yet it is rarely stated clearly, without hedging, moralising, or partisan framing.

Not just Australia either...

All western economies require both a deep pool of skilled people and a reliable supply of people willing and able to do physically demanding, time-sensitive, location-bound, or interpersonal work. The term for this sector's workers “Unskilled” is treated as a slur.
 
Punchanello said:
The number is a fair but complex question. But at the end of the day it's about how to get the balance to ensure a standard of living and deliver basic services. Nobody bothers to articulate that complexity. It's just fear and paranoia and political BS.
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Saw the new One Nation member for Farrer doing an interview. He seemed to do a pretty good job (though focussing on agriculture) - then Hanson and Barnaby said he was wrong.
 
Football us life said:
All western economies require both a deep pool of skilled people and a reliable supply of people willing and able to do physically demanding, time-sensitive, location-bound, or interpersonal work. The term for this sector's workers “Unskilled” is treated as a slur.
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The bomb we are about to see is in the care economy. Boomer retirement and ageing numbers are peaking. The real problem governments don't want to talk about is that even if we increased migration targets we would struggle to put the workers on the ground that are needed. There already is and will be an aged care crisis.
 
Punchanello said:
The bomb we are about to see is in the care economy. Boomer retirement and ageing numbers are peaking. The real problem governments don't want to talk about is that even if we increased migration targets we would struggle to put the workers on the ground that are needed. There already is and will be an aged care crisis.
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Yep....I agree and a while back I read a piece in The Economist magazine about Japan's aging population and it's the clearest real-world preview of the care-economy crunch you're describing....

It's always been very much a low status job in Japan and it is in Australia too to a certain extent.

Even an aggressive migration policy to service this sector will struggle to fill the future vacancies they anticipate.

It needs to be a sector that becomes fully professionalised like nursing and the pay rates need to properly reflect the quality of work done.
 
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