Interesting football opinion.
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I'm super serious
Not sure if this is missing a sarcasm tag or I need to laugh
I got that - was supporting your argument
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To have gone down hill, some would say it now even lacks Hill, at least in this country (ba dum tsh)
You do you I suppose. I think Hamas have more blood on their hands than any other group in the region.
Fair enough. I mean they are the ones committing a genocide...
If thats what you believe then sure... I don't see a genocide, I see a horrible loss (hopefully inicdental and NOT on purpose) of civilian life caused by a sovereign nation trying to eradicate the Islamist scourge from their doorstep. No different than the civilian lives lost when Ukraine drone forays into Russia in retaliation against them being invaded.
I call it a genocide because it's been defined as one by the UN, the ICJ, and the ICC. It's not about what you see. You choosing to not see it is you choosing to be blind to the horrendous killings and atrocities committed by the state of Israel since 1947.
You are drawing A LOT of odd conclusions and clouding your response with the prevailing emotional response... I use the word "Islamist" to describe Hamas (a terrorist organisation) and ONLY Hamas... If it helps you sleep better I think religious zealots on both sides of the wall are absolutely garbage and prey that cooler heads prevail and this massacre ends very soon. I am with you 100% that the response of the IDF is a crime, an absolutely evil waste of human life paid for by the poor innocent people living in Gaza but I dont think the fault lies ONLY with the Jews... Nor do I hate Islam or any Muslims, I believe everyone has the right to worship whatever god(s) they chose too provided they don't have the expectation that anyone else has to com;y to their arbitrary set of rules...
No no. I'm not drawing conclusions. We've had these discussions before. Language is very important. Hamas are not Islamist, and that's the crux. As soon as you label one as something, you label all. It's very clear language use by Israel. "oh, you support palestine, therefore you support Hamas, which makes you Islamist".You are drawing A LOT of odd conclusions and clouding your response with the prevailing emotional response... I use the word "Islamist" to describe Hamas (a terrorist organisation) and ONLY Hamas... If it helps you sleep better I think religious zealots on both sides of the wall are absolutely garbage and prey that cooler heads prevail and this massacre ends very soon. I am with you 100% that the response of the IDF is a crime, an absolutely evil waste of human life paid for by the poor innocent people living in Gaza but I dont think the fault lies ONLY with the Jews... Nor do I hate Islam or any Muslims, I believe everyone has the right to worship whatever god(s) they chose too provided they don't have the expectation that anyone else has to com;y to their arbitrary set of rules...
And as for your sanctimonious appeals for victim hood status, NO the ICJ has not yet ruled on any genocide despite your assertions. I agree that the IDF are JUST as vile as Hamas... ALL murder committed to appease some sort of theology is vile, even the ones that promise you martyrdom if you commit them.
International Court Rulings Require EU Action on Israel and Palestine
Some EU governments have long prevented the EU from taking measures to address the Israeli government’s grave abuses against Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank. A slew of recent rulings by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) make this inaction no longer tenable, and will test the...www.hrw.org
"The Islamic Resistance Movement, abbreviated Hamas (an acronym from the Arabic: حركة المقاومة الإسلامية, romanized: Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah), is a Sunni Islamist Palestinian nationalist political organisation with a military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades."
Islamism is not a form of the Muslim faith or an expression of Muslim piety; it is, rather, a political ideology that strives to derive legitimacy from Islam. As soon as you use the word "Islam" and "ist" you conflate the religion as extreme. The key word here is "strives to" as in it tries to, but does not. Again, Hamas was founded as a freedom fighting organisation, but was not tied to Islamism. Israel was a very strong supporter and funder of Hamas when it was first founded.
Mate again you are titling at windmills here... I NEVER equated Islamism to the whole Muslim faith. I may not be as learned in your faith as you are but I like to think I am nuanced enough to distinguish the two... Anyway, the conversation is futile, you will, understandably, defend your opinion as I will mine...
I don't expect to convince you of anything. It's clear you won't be. I mentioned the killing of 5 year old Hind Rajab, attacked with over 350 rounds by an IDF tank, you response was to laugh.
I would absolute abhore anyone laughing at the death of a child or aid workers (of any race or religion), and its pretty poor form of you to use it in your argument but if that helps you justify your contempt then... whatever. I laughed at your (to use your term "strawman") arguments of my support for South African Apartheid and Beitar Jerusalem... but you know this, lets not pretend here.....
You're the one who did it. You could have clarified properly rather than doubled down, but go with the latter. I'm sick of people gaslighting by saying, "that's not what I meant" or "I didn't say that".
That's the problem. Islamism is a term created by those who wish to conflate Islam = violence. Islamaphobia has been on the rise since. The Islamic school in Brisbane was recently involved in a bomb threat and full scale evacuation. How is Islamism equivalent to Zionism? They are two different things. Zionism is a very clear ideology that states its aims and philosophy. It is not Judaism. The same people who will have you believe that Islam is violent, will have you believe that being against Zionism is being against Judaism. Absolutely wrong. I'm not shrinking my understanding, I'm telling you what you are doing. By simplifying it as "Islamism" you are making this a war perpetuated by Islamic ideals. No, I would not justify the killing of Syrian Christians. Muslims all across the globe were against the reign of Al-Assad. That man was a proper tyrant.
Wow. Your language is very intentional here. It's very akin to the same way many media outlets phrase things to catch people out. And you claim social media as gullible.Your whole word salad aside I am hoping to have a very simple question answered by you if you care to:
-Do you think the armed young men (I wont name them or their religion if that offends you) who crossed into Israel on Oct 7th, raped old women and children (and even men in some instances), massacred innocent old ladies and babies, video posted their blood stained corpses and dragged terrified children into their enclave to be used, for the past nearly 2 years, as political pawns in a game of cat and mouse with the gullible social media "news", have committed genocide? Or at least tried to?
October 7 Crimes Against Humanity, War Crimes by Hamas-led Groups
Hamas’ military wing – the Qassam Brigades – and at least four other Palestinian armed groups committed numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity against civilians during the October 7, 2023 assault on southern Israel. Governments with influence over the armed groups should press for the...
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