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[tsf]

At this point, it's pointless. The delusion is so insane, Trump can institute Prima Nocta and the people would accept it. He could declare the first Monday of every month as "National Government Take $1000 from every family" and they would just happily give it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/energy/trump-venezuela-oil-companies-reimburse-rcna252434


Well well well, it looks like he's going to take money of the families to build the infastructure in venezuala to compensate the oil companies for helping get him in power. LMFAO

 

[zimbos05]

lol, was talking to friends this morning from latin america - colombians, bolivians and brazilians - they all said something very similar.

This is the funny part. I know some people who was like, "the Venezuelans want this". Then I speak to South Americans, including Venezuelans and they are like, "we don't want this Trump dude"

 

[tsf]

This is the funny part. I know some people who was like, "the Venezuelans want this". Then I speak to South Americans, including Venezuelans and they are like, "we don't want this Trump dude"

People's brains cannot compute wanting to see the end of maduro and not wanting the gringoes to steal their shit can co-exist.

FFS, as was pointed out - people celebrated the fall of saddam. That didn't mean they wanted to US to fuck their lives for 20 years and steal everything from them.

 

[Muz]

On the plus side, the Epstein files have moved off the front page so that's good for Trump.

Also

 

[Muz]

 

[JS96]

anyone who supports the US in their actions here cannot sook if the Chinese come for our resources, all fair game now.

Absolutely ludicrous. This has all only been happening for 70 years where international law is ignored by so many countries and now this is suddenly the catalyst? Illegality has been the norm for decades. Act first, worry about legal side later.

Australia isn't some misbehaving rogue in the region. The United States is not the only country pissed at Venezuela. The Caribbean are tired of being drug stopovers. Guyana has had its territory infringed. Colombia is sick of border skirmishes. I think it was Peru, Chile and Argentina also welcomed the move.

Plenty of other leaders have been found out for calling for Maduro's removal years before and now condemning it. Sure the ends don't justify the means but it can't be denied that this hasn't been called for by a vast range of people and the United States wanted and possibly had to make a world energy chess move.

 

[zimbos05]

Absolutely ludicrous. This has all only been happening for 70 years where international law is ignored by so many countries and now this is suddenly the catalyst? Illegality has been the norm for decades. Act first, worry about legal side later.

Australia isn't some misbehaving rogue in the region. The United States is not the only country pissed at Venezuela. The Caribbean are tired of being drug stopovers. Guyana has had its territory infringed. Colombia is sick of border skirmishes. I think it was Peru, Chile and Argentina also welcomed the move.

Plenty of other leaders have been found out for calling for Maduro's removal years before and now condemning it. Sure the ends don't justify the means but it can't be denied that this hasn't been called for by a vast range of people and the United States wanted and possibly had to make a world energy chess move.

This is not a suddenly thing. We opposed the Iraq war. We opposed the invasion of Afghanistan, Hondura, Haiti...(those are the ones I can speak to).

What you are advocating for is anarchy. Complete lack of accountability for rulers and leaders, and all out anarchy and violence. Maduro's removal has been called for, not the pillaging of Venezuelas resources for US gain, which is the part you are so blatantly ignoring. Energy prices, nor oil prices will come down. He promised this at the start of his election, and they have done noting but rise.

 

[JS96]

One of the best things I have heard was a friend's dad who lived under communism. He said

"You know what the difference was between us and you? At least we knew we weren't free, but you think you are". Always stuck with me.

If you break it down, Trump governs for the 1%, and is bad as Maduro. If not worse.

Even with recent legislation on protests, the comparison compared to a communist state is light years away. You just have to look at history or read the amnesty international comment for each country and communist states have an overwhelming trend of oppression while many western nations have some odd, straw clutching matter to try and make out it's even remotely as bad.

When the wall fell, which way did people flee? Spend some time in a communist state and you'll wish the freedoms afforded to you return very quickly.

 

[JS96]

You are missing the point. What we witnessed was live Imperialism. It was a coup that goes against international law. If anything, Trump and his administration are criminals under International law. It would be all well and good if they took Maduro and left.

They did not. They actively have said, "we are in charge of the oil now, it is ours, not yours. We also want this person as president, and if you don't, we'll take you out too"

That is the issue, not the removal of Maduro.

You are also conveniently ignoring the Venezuelans who are against this because they know what it represents. All this talk of stopping the drugs and criminals is false. It's like all those WMD they found in Iraq...

Energy is the overwhelming factor but the drug and crime aspect is also a fact, not a smoke screen.

Why isn't the so wonderful UN doing something? All they've done is make some fancy speeches based on their charters but invariably they need military action to fix the vast majority of world issues. As the US is involved here, they can't have anyone go against it.

It would appear over 80% of Venezuelans are happy about the removal but it'd be a lower number in regard to what happens with resources. In saying that many Venezuelans abroad don't care because it won't affect them. Those in the country may or may not be resigned to the fate and the place is so broken that even giving it all up hardly matters anyway.

 

[zimbos05]

Energy is the overwhelming factor but the drug and crime aspect is also a fact, not a smoke screen.

Why isn't the so wonderful UN doing something? All they've done is make some fancy speeches based on their charters but invariably they need military action to fix the vast majority of world issues. As the US is involved here, they can't have anyone go against it.

It would appear over 80% of Venezuelans are happy about the removal but it'd be a lower number in regard to what happens with resources. In saying that many Venezuelans abroad don't care because it won't affect them. Those in the country may or may not be resigned to the fate and the place is so broken that even giving it all up hardly matters anyway.

Yeah, this is clearly not coherent. No country should be able to stage a coup and own the resources of another.

Simple as.

 

[tsf]

Spend some time in a communist state and you'll wish the freedoms afforded to you return very quickly.

I have. What ones have you lived in?

 

[tsf]

but it'd be a lower number in regard to what happens with resources. I

Nooooooo, you don't say. Closer to 0%

 

[JS96]

I have. What ones have you lived in?

I wouldn't want to as those that have suffered under this system warn when they see it being demanded elsewhere.

 

[tsf]

the comparison compared to a communist state is light years away.

No it's not.

You can make a number of comparisons about why they are both pieces of shit. Ultra capitalist neo cons of USA have killed millions in the name of money and power.

 

[JS96]

Nooooooo, you don't say. Closer to 0%

Some Venezuelans abroad were asked about oil and they said they really couldn't care at this rate as any kind of reset is better than what's been going on. They're abroad so obviously they're less affected.

 

[JS96]

No it's not.

You can make a number of comparisons about why they are both pieces of shit. Ultra capitalist neo cons of USA have killed millions in the name of money and power.

You were going on about the freedoms within the country. Nothing was said about international policy and it was originally about the entire west not just the United States.

 

[tsf]

You were going on about the freedoms within the country.

I wasn't 'going on' about freedoms'.

I just made a point that people may think they're free but they're not under the US system

As someone who has seen both world's I feel justified to comment.

It's just a different form of oppression.

 

[zimbos05]

So many people love talking about freedom and what it means, and how the people deserve it, yet have never lived under a dictator or a system that oppresses. So when they are actually, they don't see it.

 

[JS96]

This is not a suddenly thing. We opposed the Iraq war. We opposed the invasion of Afghanistan, Hondura, Haiti...(those are the ones I can speak to).

What you are advocating for is anarchy. Complete lack of accountability for rulers and leaders, and all out anarchy and violence. Maduro's removal has been called for, not the pillaging of Venezuelas resources for US gain, which is the part you are so blatantly ignoring. Energy prices, nor oil prices will come down. He promised this at the start of his election, and they have done noting but rise.

Yes Maduro's removal has been called for. Would it have happened internally? Very unlikely. There are stories circulating that the Venezuelan officials arranged or agreed to this incursion. I have no idea whether that's plausible but the fact he and his wife were so easily extracted is surprising not to mention his taunting the US should come.

I'm referring to the fact the since the UN was formed the same illegal acts have happened numerous times around the world and they've hardly done anything to stop it. They read their charter messages, maybe some big countries threaten little ones but they're all busy killing amongst themselves too.

Just last week it was announced across the markets that US gas prices were down by 17%. Driving has become a bit more affordable again.

The most recent developments are that the United States doesn't want adversaries drawing oil from Venezuela. They've stated they have enough of their own too. This is a external policy chess move that would've been inevitable.

From my reading the claim that the United States stole Iraqi oil isn't substantiated. I'm surprised as that statement has rung around a lot. It looks like French and Chinese companies got a lot of contracts and yes, some American ones too, but also post war the oil was controlled by the new Iraqi government.

 

[zimbos05]

Yes Maduro's removal has been called for. Would it have happened internally? Very unlikely. There are stories circulating that the Venezuelan officials arranged or agreed to this incursion. I have no idea whether that's plausible but the fact he and his wife were so easily extracted is surprising not to mention his taunting the US should come.

I'm referring to the fact the since the UN was formed the same illegal acts have happened numerous times around the world and they've hardly done anything to stop it. They read their charter messages, maybe some big countries threaten little ones but they're all busy killing amongst themselves too.

Just last week it was announced across the markets that US gas prices were down by 17%. Driving has become a bit more affordable again.

The most recent developments are that the United States doesn't want adversaries drawing oil from Venezuela. They've stated they have enough of their own too. This is a external policy chess move that would've been inevitable.

From my reading the claim that the United States stole Iraqi oil isn't substantiated. I'm surprised as that statement has rung around a lot. It looks like French and Chinese companies got a lot of contracts and yes, some American ones too, but also post war the oil was controlled by the new Iraqi government.

Clearly your readings differ to mine.

Note that Resolution 1483 did not mention the US Federal Reserve as the depositary of Iraqi funds, nor did it assign a location for the DFI headquarters or account. In fact, the resolution specifically states directed that the DFI should “be held by the Central Bank of Iraq.” It was the CPA, led by Paul Bremer, that decided unilaterally to house the account at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

This decision allowed the US government to maintain tight control over Iraq’s oil revenues. From that point until today, the Iraqi Ministry of Finance has had to submit requests for funds to the US Treasury, which then approves or denies these requests based on its own criteria.

Anyway, has been pointed out multiple times. One can oppose Maduro, and also be against what the US has done. It's clearly all politics and Trump has broken multiple international laws. UN wont do anything because the US are a big major power in the UN and -much like Israel- do not care for international law and will just do as they please.

The right have longed spoken about dictators, well, you finally get to have another one of your own.

Anyway, this has been a...somewhat fun conversation, that is quite clear you are staunch on and see no issue with anything The Orange one does, so enjoy that.