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Women's Asian Cup match discussion thread

Women's Asian Cup group B action getting underway with North Korea playing Uzbekistan in the early kickoff before defending champions China face Bangladesh in the late game. Depending on how results pan out the Matildas could face either second place in this group or one of the two best third-placed sides, possibly from this group also, in the quarterfinals.
 
North Korea defeated Uzbekistan 3-0 to get group B of the Women's Asian Cup off and running courtesy of a hat-trick from Myong Yu-jong. China get their title defence underway against Bangladesh later today, with both group matches being played at CommBank Stadium in Sydney.
 
North Korea defeated Uzbekistan 3-0 to get group B of the Women's Asian Cup off and running courtesy of a hat-trick from Myong Yu-jong. China get their title defence underway against Bangladesh later today, with both group matches being played at CommBank Stadium in Sydney.
As expected an easy win for North Korea. Nothing to see in China vs Bangladesh really, Bangladesh are ranked 112th in the world by FIFA. China are 17th (somehow).
 
China dropped one place to 17th in the rankings after losing 8-0 to England and 3-2 to Scotland during the November-December international window, with Iceland taking their place after two wins over Northern Ireland in their matches.
Proof FIFA rankings are weird as hell. Iceland clearly have a better team than China (as do we to be fair).

Speaking of China though, they’re up 2–0 over Bangladesh at half time. Goals from Wang Shuang and Zhang Rui within two minutes of each other.
 
China leading Bangladesh 2-0 at the half courtesy of goals from Wang Shuang and Zhang Rui in the 44th minute and first minute of first half stoppage time respectively. We'd expect them to score more than three goals by full time, and by the conclusion of matchday 1 for groups A and B as things stand, the Matildas would be facing North Korea in the quarterfinals.
 
Proof FIFA rankings are weird as hell. Iceland clearly have a better team than China (as do we to be fair).

Speaking of China though, they’re up 2–0 over Bangladesh at half time. Goals from Wang Shuang and Zhang Rui within two minutes of each other.
The women’s ones are weird. Or different. Not sure if they’re more accurate. I couldn’t be bothered googling or writing something, so here’s some AI slop answer on it:

Yes. The women’s FIFA rankings are calculated differently from the men’s.

Men’s FIFA Rankings

The men use the “SUM” Elo-style system (introduced in 2018).

Key features:
  • Points increase or decrease after every match.
  • The change depends on:
    • Match result (win/draw/loss)
    • Match importance (friendly vs World Cup match)
    • Strength of opponent
    • Confederation strength is not included anymore.

  • Formula structure:
    P = Pbefore + I × (W − We)
    where I is match importance, W actual result, We expected result.

This system behaves like Elo ratings used in chess.


Women’s FIFA Rankings

The women have used an Elo-style system since 2003, but it works differently from the men’s current system.

Key differences:
  • Rankings are updated less frequently (periodic releases rather than constant recalculation).
  • They include goal difference adjustments.
  • They include home advantage adjustments.
  • Match importance values differ from the men’s scale.
  • The rating formula is closer to classic Elo with additional modifiers.
Practical Effects

Because of these differences:
  • Large wins in women’s football affect rankings more (due to goal difference).
  • Home vs away matters more in the women’s rankings.
  • The men’s rankings are more stable match-to-match.
✅ Summary:
  • Men: Modern SUM Elo system (no goal difference, no home advantage).
  • Women: Modified Elo system (includes goal difference and home advantage).
 
China leading Bangladesh 2-0 at the half courtesy of goals from Wang Shuang and Zhang Rui in the 44th minute and first minute of first half stoppage time respectively. We'd expect them to score more than three goals by full time, and by the conclusion of matchday 1 for groups A and B as things stand, the Matildas would be facing North Korea in the quarterfinals.
Actually, on the topic of China’s strength: Wang Shuang used to play for Spurs. Played a total of six games for us, lasting only one season. Was quite prolific at Racing Louisville the season before though. Now she’s back in China playing for Wuhan Jiangda, last season’s Champions League winners.
 
The women’s ones are weird. Or different. Not sure if they’re more accurate. I couldn’t be bothered googling or writing something, so here’s some AI slop answer on it:

Yes. The women’s FIFA rankings are calculated differently from the men’s.

Men’s FIFA Rankings

The men use the “SUM” Elo-style system (introduced in 2018).

Key features:
  • Points increase or decrease after every match.
  • The change depends on:
    • Match result (win/draw/loss)
    • Match importance (friendly vs World Cup match)
    • Strength of opponent
    • Confederation strength is not included anymore.

  • Formula structure:
    P = Pbefore + I × (W − We)
    where I is match importance, W actual result, We expected result.

This system behaves like Elo ratings used in chess.


Women’s FIFA Rankings

The women have used an Elo-style system since 2003, but it works differently from the men’s current system.

Key differences:
  • Rankings are updated less frequently (periodic releases rather than constant recalculation).
  • They include goal difference adjustments.
  • They include home advantage adjustments.
  • Match importance values differ from the men’s scale.
  • The rating formula is closer to classic Elo with additional modifiers.
Practical Effects

Because of these differences:
  • Large wins in women’s football affect rankings more (due to goal difference).
  • Home vs away matters more in the women’s rankings.
  • The men’s rankings are more stable match-to-match.
✅ Summary:
  • Men: Modern SUM Elo system (no goal difference, no home advantage).
  • Women: Modified Elo system (includes goal difference and home advantage).
Yeah that probably explains why the women's rankings are pretty weird (though so are the men's to be fair). Austria, China and North Korea are ranked above Colombia lol.
 
The women’s ones are weird. Or different. Not sure if they’re more accurate. I couldn’t be bothered googling or writing something, so here’s some AI slop answer on it:

Yes. The women’s FIFA rankings are calculated differently from the men’s.

Men’s FIFA Rankings

The men use the “SUM” Elo-style system (introduced in 2018).

Key features:
  • Points increase or decrease after every match.
  • The change depends on:
    • Match result (win/draw/loss)
    • Match importance (friendly vs World Cup match)
    • Strength of opponent
    • Confederation strength is not included anymore.

  • Formula structure:
    P = Pbefore + I × (W − We)
    where I is match importance, W actual result, We expected result.

This system behaves like Elo ratings used in chess.


Women’s FIFA Rankings

The women have used an Elo-style system since 2003, but it works differently from the men’s current system.

Key differences:
  • Rankings are updated less frequently (periodic releases rather than constant recalculation).
  • They include goal difference adjustments.
  • They include home advantage adjustments.
  • Match importance values differ from the men’s scale.
  • The rating formula is closer to classic Elo with additional modifiers.
Practical Effects

Because of these differences:
  • Large wins in women’s football affect rankings more (due to goal difference).
  • Home vs away matters more in the women’s rankings.
  • The men’s rankings are more stable match-to-match.
✅ Summary:
  • Men: Modern SUM Elo system (no goal difference, no home advantage).
  • Women: Modified Elo system (includes goal difference and home advantage).
There's a useful online tool for calculating women's FIFA ranking changes which I've been using and the Matildas would be dropping ranking points despite winning 1-0 because of home advantage as opposed to if the match was played in the Philippines.
 
There's a useful online tool for calculating women's FIFA ranking changes which I've been using and the Matildas would be dropping ranking points despite winning 1-0 because of home advantage as opposed to if the match was played in the Philippines.
Thanks for sharing! So if the Matildas beat Japan 1–0, we could potentially surpass Denmark in the rankings not accounting for any other results. We’re still a fair bit behind Italy though, even if we also beat China 1–0.
 
Thanks for sharing! So if the Matildas beat Japan 1–0, we could potentially surpass Denmark in the rankings not accounting for any other results. We’re still a fair bit behind Italy though, even if we also beat China 1–0.
The Matildas would only gain more ranking points with a 1-0 win over Japan compared to a win by the same scoreline over China since Japan are seven places above us whilst China are two places lower but directly below us when taking just AFC nations into account, but in theory if we were to defeat North Korea 1-0 we would be in touching distance of Denmark and could possibly surpass them depending on how their matches pan out.
 
Yep - this.

So essentially, anyone that's played youth for another country, then came to play for Australia, even if they haven't met the 3 competitive matches requirement, are tied to Australia now - I think with the exception of those who made the change before a certain date (2020 or something like that), as they are essentially in a grace period since the rules about changing back weren't in effect then, and FIFA argues 'they may not have known the rules would change' or something like that. But they still have to be under that 3 competitive overage matches requirement in that case.
For info @Muz @zimbos05 - I will take this as confirmation of the way I was trying to explain this last night

 
Vietnam leading India 1-0 in the second half of their group C opener after they took a 1-0 lead into the half. Japan ran out 2-0 winners over Chinese Taipei in the other group C match after they were scoreless at the half.
 
Vietnam leading India 1-0 in the second half of their group C opener after they took a 1-0 lead into the half. Japan ran out 2-0 winners over Chinese Taipei in the other group C match after they were scoreless at the half.
Definitely expected a bigger win from Japan. Vietnam won 2–1.

And today is TILLIES DAY!!!
 
And today is TILLIES DAY!!!
Matildas playing Iran in the late kickoff for group A today, with South Korea facing the Philippines in the early game to get matchday 2 underway. Mackenzie Arnold and Kyra Cooney-Cross are both right for today's match, with Montemurro also suggesting that there will be rotation in the playing list.
 
Matildas playing Iran in the late kickoff for group A today, with South Korea facing the Philippines in the early game to get matchday 2 underway. Mackenzie Arnold and Kyra Cooney-Cross are both right for today's match, with Montemurro also suggesting that there will be rotation in the playing list.
Another cap for Charlize Rule maybe? Kahli Johnson up front?

This woulda been a great game to have Dani Galić or Anna Razz in to tie her to Australia.
 
Another cap for Charlize Rule maybe? Kahli Johnson up front?
I'd say Charlize Rule will be part of the backline for the game against Iran seeing as we only have a two-day turnaround before our last group stage match against South Korea and will be resting key players, and possibly Kahli Johnson, Holly McNamara or both start up front but definitely the Matildas cannot be going for a sole striker again after failing to capitalise on chances on opening day.
 
Can our reporters stfu and stop asking Iranian players about the war.

Of course they’re scared and upset.

Why risk putting them in a situation that could endanger them?
 
Can our reporters stfu and stop asking Iranian players about the war.

Of course they’re scared and upset.

Why risk putting them in a situation that could endanger them?
It also has zero relevance to football. They should speak about it unprompted like Ukrainian players and allies are speaking about the war and genocide over there.

Also ridiculously, Katie McCabe (the captain of Ireland) was asked by reporters after a 2–1 loss to France about… the geopolitical situation in Palestine. How does that relate to a World Cup qualifier between France and Ireland? Palestine aren't even going to the World Cup (they aren't at the Asian Cup and therefore they can't).
 
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