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Socceroos vs Venezuela/ Colombia Nov 25

How should Australia do November?

  • European based camp

    Votes: 23 71.9%

  • Australian based camp

    Votes: 6 18.8%

  • Middle East based camp

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Nothing

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Total voters
    32
Toebash said:
I hate the five man backline. I just don't think it works. Unless you have Bos bombing on and we find someone to do the same at RWB (Miller's got the athleticism but not the technical ability), it's extremely difficult to see how we make any decent goalscoring opportunities.

We're really, really struggling to transition out of defence, because the midfielders are outnumbered and, while competent enough, just don't have the extreme technical ability or the passing options if they ever manage to turn and move forward with the ball. Instead, we just see the centre halves passing into around themselves for 5 minutes before running out of ideas. Also, the lack of forward players means we can never employ a proper press.

I really think a 4-2-3-1 would work so much better, because that unpenetrative, laboured performance with the ball last night was borderline unwatchable, and we actually have the cattle at the moment to be a decent and attacking team (particularly at a 48 team world cup where there should be more opponents around our level).
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So far I think that you are the only person to comment on Popa's formation. Iramkunda couldn't get into the game? Well that was because he was in the Socceroos defensive half defending. I also note that Vince Rigari states that the formation is 3-4-3 whereas over here many seem to think that it is 5-4-1. I suspect that the players are just as confused. Plan B? of course its needed but I can't see Popa developing a plan at all, and certainly not something that would suit the players at his disposal.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
So far I think that you are the only person to comment on Popa's formation. Iramkunda couldn't get into the game? Well that was because he was in the Socceroos defensive half defending. I also note that Vince Rigari states that the formation is 3-4-3 whereas over here many seem to think that it is 5-4-1. I suspect that the players are just as confused. Plan B? of course its needed but I can't see Popa developing a plan at all, and certainly not something that would suit the players at his disposal.
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I think Popovic likes to describe it as 3-4-3 but its normally 5-4-1. I have seen it be 5-2-2-1 (first half of Japan game) but apart from his first game in charge against China I haven't seen too much of the wingbacks moving into midfield (Bos being the exception when he plays). I've seen plenty of comments on Popa's formation over the last year. He has drilled his side well in parking the bus effectively but I don't think he has given them the patterns at this stage to switch to attack when the sides we are playing are a bit weaker. Our attack seems to rely too much on someone doing something brilliant rather than piling on the pressure.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
So far I think that you are the only person to comment on Popa's formation. Iramkunda couldn't get into the game? Well that was because he was in the Socceroos defensive half defending. I also note that Vince Rigari states that the formation is 3-4-3 whereas over here many seem to think that it is 5-4-1. I suspect that the players are just as confused. Plan B? of course its needed but I can't see Popa developing a plan at all, and certainly not something that would suit the players at his disposal.
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Might be a bit technical to post it here, as opposed to the Socceroo technical and stat analysis thread, but yes Aus plays with a flat midfield 4 in a 3-4-3.

When they lose the ball in the attacking half it becomes a 5-2-3, with the two wingers tucking back into a flat 5 defensive line.

Then as the Roos play further back in the defensive third it becomes a 5-4-1 midfield, as the two wingers drop back to make a flat midfield 4.
 
I haven't seen 80 mins to 90 mins end of game, but from what I've seen live it has been appalling.

Whether when I go back and watch the gam e on a replay to accrue all the 1v1s and passing , I'm not sure if it will be any better?

The difference is our languid Squeezing when they have the ball. Roos barely moved to condense the time and space when Ven were on the ball. Sometimes there were triggers in attacking third, when Aus Squeezed aggressively and condensed time and space, but mostly it didn't happen.

Conversely, as soon as Aus entered the Attacking Transition, the 6-10 secs as they regained the ball, the 1 Aussie bal carrier was quickly closed down by 2-3 Venezuelans, forcing the Roo to play with little time and space on the ball.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
So far I think that you are the only person to comment on Popa's formation. Iramkunda couldn't get into the game? Well that was because he was in the Socceroos defensive half defending. I also note that Vince Rigari states that the formation is 3-4-3 whereas over here many seem to think that it is 5-4-1. I suspect that the players are just as confused. Plan B? of course its needed but I can't see Popa developing a plan at all, and certainly not something that would suit the players at his disposal.
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Its meant to be 541 out of possession and 343 in possession but we were slow to transition in my opinion
 
Decentric said:
I haven't seen 80 mins to 90 mins end of game, but from what I've seen live it has been appalling.

Whether when I go back and watch the gam e on a replay to accrue all the 1v1s and passing , I'm not sure if it will be any better?

The difference is our languid Squeezing when they have the ball. Roos barely moved to condense the time and space when Ven were on the ball. Sometimes there were triggers in attacking third, when Aus Squeezed aggressively and condensed time and space, but mostly it didn't happen.

Conversely, as soon as Aus entered the Attacking Transition, the 6-10 secs as they regained the ball, the 1 Aussie bal carrier was quickly closed down by 2-3 Venezuelans, forcing the Roo to play with little time and space on the ball.
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The languid squeezing is deliberate so i dont critique that (tho its fair to critique the tactics, we will have to get used to it for a while)

What im more critical of was how slow australia transitioned from our out of posession shape to our in posession shape. My understanding is poppa needs his team to transition quickly. Toure and irankunda were meant to give good forward options. Toure did but irankunda was often slow to react to a turnover and didnt make good runs imo. The rest of the team were poor in creating passing options in the vital first couple of seconds after a turnover. Sometimes we got a turnover and had zero people to pass to in 3 to 5 seconds. The counter pressing was good but normal in international football and only part of the problem

Of forum someone mentioned the slower handling speed of our back 3. I did notice the lack of long passes from the back 3. Early on there were 2 accurate long passes which created 2 chances for toure. Very little after that. Circati souttar and burgess are all a lot more accurate over range
 
At the very least I'd love to see some acknowledgement and recognition of the performances on the park and move one of the CBs into a screening DM. Hopefully this would create a pivot of sorts to then help resolve the disconnectedness between defence and mid, whilst also getting an extra player in the centre and the other two further up the park.

Who cares about qualifying for a World Cup when you go there and represent your country as cowards who are happy for the opposition to play with the ball.

That may seem harsh at first but Popaball is straight up loser ball. Here you have the ball for the whole game and we'll wait until you stuff up.
 
I thought our two mids were so far back that we really had no options of going forward most of the time. No positioning and no runs exacerbated a dire situation. Occasionally we turned with the ball from midfield and progressed the ball, but it wasn't enough. Basically had a 7 man defensive wall, with 3 forwards nowhere to be seen. If you're wondering, I'm still annoyed at the lack lustre performance on Saturday. Hopefully Wednesday is better!
 
Haven't been able to post since watching the game but was an interesting look into our depth.

We badly need an outlet to get down field, I liked when goodwin got out into that wide playmaker role and got balls in behind for nestory and mo. Riley looked good has to be in this team whether that's with Irvine/Balard/O'Neill.

The problem I see is good teams will make chances against us even in this formation we have to be able to at least frighten our opponents that we might counter attack.
 
SocceroosFan said:
You know that this is an Australian page hey?
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:)

Actually since we play Colombia next I find the result both interesting and totally relevant.

Not enough to care about how the game went mind you - just the score.
 
onedaywinners... said:
At the very least I'd love to see some acknowledgement and recognition of the performances on the park and move one of the CBs into a screening DM. Hopefully this would create a pivot of sorts to then help resolve the disconnectedness between defence and mid, whilst also getting an extra player in the centre and the other two further up the park.

Who cares about qualifying for a World Cup when you go there and represent your country as cowards who are happy for the opposition to play with the ball.

That may seem harsh at first but Popaball is straight up loser ball. Here you have the ball for the whole game and we'll wait until you stuff up.
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About the same as Arnie ball which made it out of the group. I didn't like that style either, but I wouldn't trade those wins.
 
Cunningstunt said:
About the same as Arnie ball which made it out of the group. I didn't like that style either, but I wouldn't trade those wins.
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yeah if we get out of the group or win our first away asian cup then I'll take the haram ball

We need to build better players, even (much) better than our recent u20 cohort, but in the meantime whatever gets results
 
grazorblade said:
yeah if we get out of the group or win our first away asian cup then I'll take the haram ball

We need to build better players, even (much) better than our recent u20 cohort, but in the meantime whatever gets results
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The better players are coming, some are already here and starting their NT careers.

To waste this exciting talent on shit football would be a sin.
 
onedaywinners... said:
The better players are coming, some are already here and starting their NT careers.

To waste this exciting talent on shit football would be a sin.
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we will be in an interesting transition period over the next few years
 
NoMates said:
Just pointing out that NZ did well against them, They actually used a strong squad but the Kiwis faired well. Who knows the Socceroos just might in for a chance at a result.
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I'm worried you have the reverse commentators curse haha

when you predict us to get smashed we win and you predicted a win against V we lost!
 
dr. bellows said:
I suspect Devlin will get a gig against Columbia. Popa may have seen Okon better suited against the weaker opposition and Devlin better suited against stronger opposition where his defensive attributes - still his strength despite improvements he has has made in other areas of his game - are seen as more necessary. But we shall see.
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Hope so mate. I'll be livid if O'Neill starts again when he has Devlin and Balard to be picking.
 
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