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Match stats/analysis for recent Socceroo games

Decentric said:
I'm up to the 22 min mark of the NZ game.

I've added some new stat categories.

*Turnovers created

*Intercepts

*15 metre ball carries

*Bad first touches

*Outstanding first touches.

* Watching the game live I thought Bos made some mistakes. At the 22 min mark he has made none. His first touch has improved too. Bos has beaten 3 Kiwis in 1 mazy run! He has had 3 individ 15 metre plus ball carries!

* In this new category of recording outstanding first touches, Metcalfe has made 4 already. This is outstanding for a whole game - and he has only played 22 mins!

* Silvera seems lacking in confidence and has made some poor first touches, that have led to ball loss/ turnovers.

* Despite playing in the Eredivisie, Hrustic has been woeful so far. Made a decent touch and pass or two, but loses too many 1v1 s - heading, tackling and body on body duels - and - just causes no closing down space pressure.

* It is frustrating watching the normal Popa Half Press, 3-4-3/5-4-1/ 5-2-3, with minimal squeezing intensity. It gives the Kiwis a lot of easy ball. Yet it is tough to break through at our goal like Wood did. Aus have broken through the Kiwi gegenpress a bit though, with some quick passing sequences. Aus defence isn't being turned around to defend and run towards own goal much.

* Another stat is Degenek is being physically overpowered by Wood in 1v1s.

* Yazbek might be one of the better DMs we have had for a while at more energetically running to opening passing lanes than remaining too static.

* Aus is turning the ball over quite a lot through Izzo's attempted longer passes.

* Circati winning a lot of 1v1s. He is starting to mark Wood more, leaving Deg as the free CB.

* Aus on top for the first 7 mins, then Kiwis from 8 - 22mins.
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The 3 defensive mistakes i noted on rewatch were

1) sarpeet singhs long shot came from yazbek and teague leaving too much space between them and the back three
2) at 44 minutes teague follows a player a long way forward and yazbek doesnt compensate by running back. There is an acre of space in zone 14 which they use to get a dangerous shot away
3) at 89 minutes oniell is a long way forward and ambles back. He has plenty of time to get back and defend z14 which again has a hole in it which they exploit a few seconds later with a shot from mcgarry

The 1v1 from wood set up by singh was just good play, though made wprse by circati slipping and wood possibly being a fraction off side
 
Decentric said:
I'm up to the 22 min mark of the NZ game.

I've added some new stat categories.

*Turnovers created

*Intercepts

*15 metre ball carries

*Bad first touches

*Outstanding first touches.

* Watching the game live I thought Bos made some mistakes. At the 22 min mark he has made none. His first touch has improved too. Bos has beaten 3 Kiwis in 1 mazy run! He has had 3 individ 15 metre plus ball carries!

* In this new category of recording outstanding first touches, Metcalfe has made 4 already. This is outstanding for a whole game - and he has only played 22 mins!

* Silvera seems lacking in confidence and has made some poor first touches, that have led to ball loss/ turnovers.

* Despite playing in the Eredivisie, Hrustic has been woeful so far. Made a decent touch and pass or two, but loses too many 1v1 s - heading, tackling and body on body duels - and - just causes no closing down space pressure.

* It is frustrating watching the normal Popa Half Press, 3-4-3/5-4-1/ 5-2-3, with minimal squeezing intensity. It gives the Kiwis a lot of easy ball. Yet it is tough to break through at our goal like Wood did. Aus have broken through the Kiwi gegenpress a bit though, with some quick passing sequences. Aus defence isn't being turned around to defend and run towards own goal much.

* Another stat is Degenek is being physically overpowered by Wood in 1v1s.

* Yazbek might be one of the better DMs we have had for a while at more energetically running to opening passing lanes than remaining too static.

* Aus is turning the ball over quite a lot through Izzo's attempted longer passes.

* Circati winning a lot of 1v1s. He is starting to mark Wood more, leaving Deg as the free CB.

* Aus on top for the first 7 mins, then Kiwis from 8 - 22mins.
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Thanks for that. I'll wait for the full analysis before I watch the replay.
 
patjennings said:
Thanks for that. I'll wait for the full analysis before I watch the replay.
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I don’t think I’ll complete it before tomorrow’s second game. It requires a lot of concentration and effort, but it is rewarding at the end.
 
piedi sporchi said:
does anybody have player ratings for the match? or know where they can be found?
cheers
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Good question?

I don’t like rating players, because when using such a range of criteria, players tend to balance out in quality. All have strengths and weaknesses and are nowhere near as unequivocally ‘good’ or ‘bad’ as fans like to think.

Already, looking at 22 mins of replay I’ve seen strengths and weaknesses in some players I didn’t observe live. Sometimes one has to replay a 10 second passage of play 3 to 4 times to determine a victor in a 1 v1 contest. One also observes unexpected things in players in close proximity in this 10 seconds.
 
piedi sporchi said:
does anybody have player ratings for the match? or know where they can be found?
cheers
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Both Sofascore and FotMob provide player ratings for this game. I'm sure there are other similar apps also but those 2 are the ones I use. Just go to Lineups in the match details in both apps and the player ratings are shown there.

You will find that there are often differences between the apps in the ratings for a player. As I understand, this arises because of different methods of evaluating a players performance.

Most people on this Forum seem to rely on the FotMob ratings - I prefer Sofascore because I think it gives ratings which more closely approximate my own subjective feelings after watching a match. That's just a personal preference though, I don't do rigorous, or even informed, analysis of any game. Just watch and enjoy, no matter what the level.
 
Decentric said:
I don’t think I’ll complete it before tomorrow’s second game. It requires a lot of concentration and effort, but it is rewarding at the end.
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Yes - I'm sure it is pretty taxing. I'm just interested in seeing the game again and see what you point out and see how it differs from my first viewing.

i.e. * Yazbek might be one of the better DMs we have had for a while at more energetically running to opening passing lanes than remaining too static.

I didn't notice any of that and will pay more attention to him next time.
 
patjennings said:
Yes - I'm sure it is pretty taxing. I'm just interested in seeing the game again and see what you point out and see how it differs from my first viewing.

i.e. * Yazbek might be one of the better DMs we have had for a while at more energetically running to opening passing lanes than remaining too static.

I didn't notice any of that and will pay more attention to him next time.
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Mate, it can be astonishing what one doesn’t notice in a first viewing.

Aus has played a lot better than I thought from watching live in those first 22 mins.

I wonder if Popa has some data that shows playing with 3 CBs, with a deeper defensive line, makes it much, much harder to score from the opposition?

The Aus defensive line has rarely been turned around since Popa’s tenure.
 
Decentric said:
Mate, it can be astonishing what one doesn’t notice in a first viewing.

Aus has played a lot better than I thought from watching live in those first 22 mins.

I wonder if Popa has some data that shows playing with 3 CBs, with a deeper defensive line, makes it much, much harder to score from the opposition?

The Aus defensive line has rarely been turned around since Popa’s tenure.
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We seem to get beaten in midfield frequently. I feel we get outnumbered. Whats your assessment of that?
 
Quicky said:
We seem to get beaten in midfield frequently. I feel we get outnumbered. Whats your assessment of that?
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On rewatch their numerical advantage mostly manifested where nz fullbacks were, wide and sround the half way line

But yes we did get outnumbered
 
Quicky said:
We seem to get beaten in midfield frequently. I feel we get outnumbered. Whats your assessment of that?
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Good question, Q.

On the replays, the two Aus DMs aren't outplayed, but outnumbered, hence no available passing lanes with little risk.

Indo, Saudi, Japan and Kiiws have all risked gegenprssing to stop us building up from the back. I'm unequivocal on this.

So often our 2 DMs have 3-4 opposition markers when we have the ball or are in our Attacking Transitions.

The keeper or back three have been forced to playing longer, riskier passes to players in less space relative other opposition markers.

What I'm learning is all of O'N, Teague, Yazbek, and probably after I look at Ashes game 2 replay, Balard, are winning a lot of hard balls and outmuscling their opponents in 1v1s.

A big problem is the opposition are winning a lot of second balls in our defensive half, with so many opponents in advanced positions.

I hate Aus having less ball, but Popa playing the three CBs appears to be paramount for his defensive game plan. Apart from Wood overpowering Degenek, the three Aus CBs are absolutely dominating their opposition in 1v1s.

With the Aus DMs more than holding their own too, many opposition chances are snapshots with Aus defenders blocking their access to goal.

Whereas we don't seem to be getting as many chances as I'd like, they seem to be more clearcut with defences stretched, as opposed to ours being more compact.

Also, Rowles and Geria aren't playingATM, with Geria being the best of all along with Circati in 1v1 ball winning. And Souttar will be fit soon.

A 4-3-3 with a defensive midfield triangle would give us more numbers in midfield, but leave the central defensive line more exposed. Or if we keep bringing Socceroos playing advanced positions back to counter the opposition's gegenpressing, we would have the entire Aus team in our defensive half.
 
With the system we are playing I agree we seem to be getting outnumbered through the middle which is why the likes of Hrustic, Metcalfe and later Irankunda have to support the midfield 2.

Midfield profile is crucial as well, for me a combination of Ballard and Teague might be more effective in terms of passing progression as well.
 
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Decentric said:
Good question, Q.

On the replays, the two Aus DMs aren't outplayed, but outnumbered, hence no available passing lanes with little risk.

Indo, Saudi, Japan and Kiiws have all risked gegenprssing to stop us building up from the back. I'm unequivocal on this.

So often our 2 DMs have 3-4 opposition markers when we have the ball or are in our Attacking Transitions.

The keeper or back three have been forced to playing longer, riskier passes to players in less space relative other opposition markers.

What I'm learning is all of O'N, Teague, Yazbek, and probably after I look at Ashes game 2 replay, Balard, are winning a lot of hard balls and outmuscling their opponents in 1v1s.

A big problem is the opposition are winning a lot of second balls in our defensive half, with so many opponents in advanced positions.

I hate Aus having less ball, but Popa playing the three CBs appears to be paramount for his defensive game plan. Apart from Wood overpowering Degenek, the three Aus CBs are absolutely dominating their opposition in 1v1s.

With the Aus DMs more than holding their own too, many opposition chances are snapshots with Aus defenders blocking their access to goal.

Whereas we don't seem to be getting as many chances as I'd like, they seem to be more clearcut with defences stretched, as opposed to ours being more compact.

Also, Rowles and Geria aren't playingATM, with Geria being the best of all along with Circati in 1v1 ball winning. And Souttar will be fit soon.

A 4-3-3 with a defensive midfield triangle would give us more numbers in midfield, but leave the central defensive line more exposed. Or if we keep bringing Socceroos playing advanced positions back to counter the opposition's gegenpressing, we would have the entire Aus team in our defensive half.
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In terms of his set up, it seems clear this is what we will be taking to the wc. It is a summer world cup, so hard pressing will be more difficult to pull off for 90 minutes.

Maybe the thinking is teams won't want to try it, or if they do and don't open up an advantage, they will suffer at the end of the match.
 
Cunningstunt said:
In terms of his set up, it seems clear this is what we will be taking to the wc. It is a summer world cup, so hard pressing will be more difficult to pull off for 90 minutes.

Maybe the thinking is teams won't want to try it, or if they do and don't open up an advantage, they will suffer at the end of the match.
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That's an interesting read.
 
I'm just about to half time in the first Kiwi Ashes game in Aus.

I just detest having less ball than the opponents. The entire way we play has been designed around the supposed national mentality of wanting to dominate opponents - like France, Germany, Spain and Netherlands.

Instead, Popa seems to want the Roos to sit back in Squeezing intensity when the Kiwis have the ball. It means the Aus team shape is always held in Ball Possession Opposition or Defensive Transitions.

When a team uses aggressive Squeezing, with multiple players closing down 1 Aussie on it, the team can lose their shape a bit.

As I'm watching the game and having to replay a lot, to determine whether a pass was received, or who a 1v1 winner was, more and more Aus has been better than what it looked live.

Many turnovers have been caused by Izzo looking for longer range passes to the Aus wing backs on the boundary line, just inside the halfway line. I think Ryan would have hit those targets more frequently. Ryan is an excellent goalkeeping sweeper. Not sure what some Aus fans are so critical of him?

Hrustic has barely touched the ball, but when he has, has done a 'few' really good things. Silvera has also barely touched the ball as Right WB, compared to Bos as Left WB, who has been brilliant in the first half.

If JS is reading this, Bos has barely made a mistake, and from what we've seen in the first 45 mins, is playing better than your good mate, Behich, ever has! Bos also wins aerial duels.

In general though, Silvera, Hrustic and Boyle have had little influence. I'd like to see Silvera play Hrustic's position, with Miller, Metcalfe or Leckie as Right WB, and Toure as a central striker.

Apart from Izzo's sweeping, and Silvera, Hrustic and Boyle's minimal involvement, all the rest of the team are doing quite well overall. All are at least holding their own or dominating the Kiwis in 1v1s, apart from when Deg marks Wood.

I also take my hat off to the Kiwis. They have really improved!
 
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