Green & Gold FC podcast

[Decentric]

I just finished listening to the Joseph Carrozzi pod, took a little while because I was listening over a few 20-30 minute car trips.

It was a great interview, and while credit has to be given to Carrozzi for giving up so much time and answering all that was asked, I felt quite frustrated by the end that he is one of the top people in the game in this country and is governing the game. This is because I very much got the impression that he sees football in Australia through a businessman's eyes (and even more concerning than that, an accountants eyes), and he seemed to me not to have any real passion for the game. He came across to me as quite transactional. My concern is that the rest of the FA board sees things the same way.

I thought that his knowledge of some things left a lot to be desired. I can't remember all the examples, but one I can is that he didn't know the year when the A League clubs had been promised "no relegation" as part of their licence (he said he though it might have been 2032, but wasn't sure). Not a big deal in itself, but one of a number of times where it seemed to me that his knowledge was not at the level that I would hope that a board member who was passionate about improving the game, would be right on top of the detail.

I thought he quite rudely dismissed the views of the football economists on pro-rel, and well done Grazor on pulling him up on that. I was also concerned about his answers around the member federations - if his answers reflect the views of the FA board then I don't think they are engaging enough with the member feds and pushing them to improve their performance. When questioned about FQ standing in the way of Qld clubs joining the NST, his answers were poor, saying he knew nothing of the Sunshine Coast Fire situation, and saying that as far as he knew FQ had no problem with clubs wanting to join NST. In fact, FQ put barriers up for clubs potentially joining NST, by putting into their by-laws or other official documentation that if a club that joined the NST and was later removed from NST (e.g., relegation or withdrawing), then that club could only rejoin the FQ competitions at the lowest possible league level. That is, the club could not drop back into NPL, but would be forced to go back to FQPL6.

Quality, insightful post and superb comprehension and listening skills, Keeper!

Fair play to you!

 

[Decentric]

Have some ironing to do, and should get a podcast in at last!

 

[Decentric]

I'm at the 40min mark of the Carrozo pod with the board member from Football Aus.

Well done, G and G Podcast team inducing him to appear!

At this stage, my only concern is that Mr C is portraying a glowing picture of football in Aus. It is as though it is the number one sport in Aus, popular with the majority of the population and media, and, currently going from strength to strength.

He is like a lot of MPs I know, meet and lobby, when talking about their own credentials and achievements. Football has a lot of inherent problems, which ATM Mr C isn't shedding light on - yet. He is talking himself up - and the FA board.

Mr C is presenting a picture that grass roots football is doing well, plus the Championship is successful. I agree about the Champ comp.

 

[Keeper66]

I'm at the 40min mark of the Carrozo pod with the board member from Football Aus.

Well done, G and G Podcast team inducing him to appear!

At this stage, my only concern is that Mr C is portraying a glowing picture of football in Aus. It is as though it is the number one sport in Aus, popular with the majority of the population and media, and, currently going from strength to strength.

He is like a lot of MPs I know, meet and lobby, when talking about their own credentials and achievements. Football has a lot of inherent problems, which ATM Mr C isn't shedding light on - yet. He is talking himself up - and the FA board.

Mr C is presenting a picture that grass roots football is doing well, plus the Championship is successful. I agree about the Champ comp.

That’s a pretty significant “only concern”!

 

[Decentric]

That’s a pretty significant “only concern”!

There may be a lot more concerns when I finish?

I might only be up to 31 mins?

 

[theFOOTBALLlover]

I'm just over an hour into the podcast with Joseph Carrozzi. I find it hard to listen to people at FA. Sound like politicians, as Decentric said, and good company men/women. Too many excuses for why things can't change in Australia.

 

[BA81]

I'm just over an hour into the podcast with Joseph Carrozzi. I find it hard to listen to people at FA. Sound like politicians, as Decentric said, and good company men/women. Too many excuses for why things can't change in Australia.

Or in not as many words, Carrozzi's just a fvcken bellend.

 

[HappyGuus]

I missed the part about FA paying SBS, what part of the pod was that?

I'm having another listen to this top pod. I found this part at the 30 minute mark:

"The broadcast arrangement ... cost us money"

I think when I was listening at 1.3x speed I interpreted that as "we're paying SBS to broadcast it" . Maybe that is what it means, who knows?

 

[grazorblade]

I'm having another listen to this top pod. I found this part at the 30 minute mark:

"The broadcast arrangement ... cost us money"

I think when I was listening at 1.3x speed I interpreted that as "we're paying SBS to broadcast it" . Maybe that is what it means, who knows?

I'm guessing it means they aren't covering full production costs?

 

[HappyGuus]

I'm guessing it means they aren't covering full production costs?

Yep that could be all he's talking about haha, good call.

Just heard the Sunshine Coast Fire part again. I genuinely think that Jo has not heard about it! Maybe it's outside of his remit? Send him a link to that podcast episode hahaha.

 

[grazorblade]

Yep that could be all he's talking about haha, good call.

Just heard the Sunshine Coast Fire part again. I genuinely think that Jo has not heard about it! Maybe it's outside of his remit? Send him a link to that podcast episode hahaha.

yeah it was a worry that he didn't seem to have heard of a few issues. I suppose it could've been political speak where he wasn't able to comment publicly and feigning ignorance was the least bad option....

 

[Decentric]

I'm just over an hour into the podcast with Joseph Carrozzi. I find it hard to listen to people at FA. Sound like politicians, as Decentric said, and good company men/women. Too many excuses for why things can't change in Australia.

To his credit, Joseph has turned up on the Podcast. It is a real feather in the cap of G and G FC. I might feel quite frustrated though with FA when I complete the entire Podcast.

 

[LFC]

we've all given him credit accpeting the GG pod invite.
The rest is underwhelming - keep on your ironing being more productive than finishing the pod, hopefully the wife has put another load for you in the basket

 

[Decentric]

we've all given him credit accpeting the GG pod invite.
The rest is underwhelming - keep on your ironing being more productive than finishing the pod, hopefully the wife has put another load for you in the basket

I've run out of ironing after 31 mins or so! My better half loves the Pods - because she never gets to iron these days - although she doesn't want them played in the car!

It has been too windy and rainy to garden o flate - another Podcast opportunity.

I'm quite blown out about how much I've learned from G and G Podcasts. I've read a lot of football books too.

Many G and G members may not realise how big some of the names are, globally, that have appeared - like Stefan S and Tom Byer.

We are very lucky to have the Pods.

 

[Keeper66]

Yep that could be all he's talking about haha, good call.

Just heard the Sunshine Coast Fire part again. I genuinely think that Jo has not heard about it! Maybe it's outside of his remit? Send him a link to that podcast episode hahaha.

He is on the board of Football Australia. Anything and everything happening within football in Australia is within his remit. I get that he can't hear about every little problem, but the Fire thing was pretty big. FQ literally kicked them out of all of their competitions, which was major within FQ and should therefore have hit the radar of FA. If he genuinely isn't aware of the things that have happened with Fire then that is a huge indictment on the competence of him and the rest of the board.

 

[Decentric]

I've finished the Joe Carruzo/Peter, G and G Podcast now.

I'v never enjoyed painting the bamboo fences as much, listening to the full podcast!

I didn't like the way that Joseph shot down economists in general, to denigrate the quality of a reasonable question that Grazor posed from either, or both of, Roger Noll and Stefan S.

If I could have armed Grazor prior to the Pod/ interview, Stefan S, co-wrote Soccernomics, with Simon Kuper.

SK is one of the world's most esteemed football authors who writes in the English language. It wouldn't hurt for a few of the KNVB cynics to read his stuff. He is half Dutch , half English. It elevates Stefan S's credentials in the global football community to co-write with SK.

Grazor posed some superb questions quoting percentiles of budgets in other national settings, like the English FA, compared to Football Aus, in terms of youth development budget. Joseph countered that tyranny of distance in Aus, compared to England, as negated the data as not comparing apples with apples, oranges with oranges. Hence, Aus can't afford the same percentiles of FA revenue to be allocated to youth football development, according to Joseph.

Even if partially true, this data goes a long way. I'm not sure if Joseph will be raising this further with the board?

I also like it when Peter presented arguments that we have had the same discussions 20 years ago about promo/releg. Cogent point.

Either Noll or Stefan S, which Grazor quoted, advanced that promo/releg was a prerequisite to improve the standing of an entire football milieu in Aus. Not that it should be a separate issue to be dealt with later - which I think Grazor hammered home. It is working well in most other countries in world football. Again Joseph prevaricated with his response.

Joseph used typical politicians' tactics to prevaricate on this issue. Right now, a political pressure group I'm involved with is formulating questions when we meet MPs, then will added further data to refute their responses about being able to do nothing to resolve the issue.

Peter and Grazor shed light on wages as part of expenditure too, plus the exorbitant cost of Football Aus coaching courses.

The other issue I'm fed up with, and hearing it avoided, is how since about 2015 with the FFA being obsessed with the World Cup bid, T20 cricket of both genders, women's AFL and basketball, have stolen the summer team sport Legacy Media interest away from the 2005-15 football juggernaut. Football has never regained that lost ground in the last 10 years, despite Joseph constantly waxing lyrical about the current state of the Aus football being incredible - with a very bright future.

Junior participation in Aus is very good, but why isn't it extrapolating to seniors?

Peter made the point that Football Aus needs to be more proactive and aggressive, like AFL admin, in defending and promoting their turf.

I was interested to hear Joseph say how much FIFA appreciated the interest in the women's World Cup in Aus? I thought there was no domestic Legacy Media coverage outside the Matildas?

With due respect to Mike Tuckerman and Michael Lynch, who are now both members of G and G, Grazor, a volunteer, whose day job is an academic, is showing up a lot of the Aus paid football/sporting media, outside those with pro coaching or playing backgrounds, for depth of football knowledge. Fair play to him!

Michael's son, Joey, is one of the more erudite paid football media identities in Aus.

Grazor has a vast array of facts, figures, and knowledge of scenarios occurring in other football jurisdictions globally. Some of the Aus pros in the media, don't have this knowledge, or, if they do, it doesn't manifest on TV interviews.

I don't know what is occurring in other Aus Podcasts, but these G and G Pods are really good!

 

[Pasquali]

 

[grazorblade]

I've finished the Joe Carruzo/Peter, G and G Podcast now.

I'v never enjoyed painting the bamboo fences as much, listening to the full podcast!

I didn't like the way that Joseph shot down economists in general, to denigrate the quality of a reasonable question that Grazor posed from either, or both of, Roger Noll and Stefan S.

If I could have armed Grazor prior to the Pod/ interview, Stefan S, co-wrote Soccernomics, with Simon Kuper.

SK is one of the world's most esteemed football authors who writes in the English language. It wouldn't hurt for a few of the KNVB cynics to read his stuff. He is half Dutch , half English. It elevates Stefan S's credentials in the global football community to co-write with SK.

Grazor posed some superb questions quoting percentiles of budgets in other national settings, like the English FA, compared to Football Aus, in terms of youth development budget. Joseph countered that tyranny of distance in Aus, compared to England, as negated the data as not comparing apples with apples, oranges with oranges. Hence, Aus can't afford the same percentiles of FA revenue to be allocated to youth football development, according to Joseph.

Even if partially true, this data goes a long way. I'm not sure if Joseph will be raising this further with the board?

I also like it when Peter presented arguments that we have had the same discussions 20 years ago about promo/releg. Cogent point.

Either Noll or Stefan S, which Grazor quoted, advanced that promo/releg was a prerequisite to improve the standing of an entire football milieu in Aus. Not that it should be a separate issue to be dealt with later - which I think Grazor hammered home. It is working well in most other countries in world football. Again Joseph prevaricated with his response.

Joseph used typical politicians' tactics to prevaricate on this issue. Right now, a political pressure group I'm involved with is formulating questions when we meet MPs, then will added further data to refute their responses about being able to do nothing to resolve the issue.

Peter and Grazor shed light on wages as part of expenditure too, plus the exorbitant cost of Football Aus coaching courses.

The other issue I'm fed up with, and hearing it avoided, is how since about 2015 with the FFA being obsessed with the World Cup bid, T20 cricket of both genders, women's AFL and basketball, have stolen the summer team sport Legacy Media interest away from the 2005-15 football juggernaut. Football has never regained that lost ground in the last 10 years, despite Joseph constantly waxing lyrical about the current state of the Aus football being incredible - with a very bright future.

Junior participation in Aus is very good, but why isn't it extrapolating to seniors?

Peter made the point that Football Aus needs to be more proactive and aggressive, like AFL admin, in defending and promoting their turf.

I was interested to hear Joseph say how much FIFA appreciated the interest in the women's World Cup in Aus? I thought there was no domestic Legacy Media coverage outside the Matildas?

With due respect to Mike Tuckerman and Michael Lynch, who are now both members of G and G, Grazor, a volunteer, whose day job is an academic, is showing up a lot of the Aus paid football/sporting media, outside those with pro coaching or playing backgrounds, for depth of football knowledge. Fair play to him!

Michael's son, Joey, is one of the more erudite paid football media identities in Aus.

Grazor has a vast array of facts, figures, and knowledge of scenarios occurring in other football jurisdictions globally. Some of the Aus pros in the media, don't have this knowledge, or, if they do, it doesn't manifest on TV interviews.

I don't know what is occurring in other Aus Podcasts, but these G and G Pods are really good!

Thanks for the kind words! I hope it will make a difference in thr long read shedding light on the game!

 

[HappyGuus]

Guys! Another terrific podcast!!
Why on Earth did he leave FA? Sounds like he's put in a lot of work in the last three or so years, building relationships and understanding structures etc., and now we're losing that or the next person almost has to start again?

 

[grazorblade]

Guys! Another terrific podcast!!
Why on Earth did he leave FA? Sounds like he's put in a lot of work in the last three or so years, building relationships and understanding structures etc., and now we're losing that or the next person almost has to start again?

He has offered to do a q&a thread like Stefan starting in the next couple of days