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No one that I know of has definitely proven what causes anti-semitism. We know that the history shows it is remarkably constant. Throughout the middle ages there were Jewish refugees in both Christian Europe and the Islamic world escaping antisemitism from the other region. Jews of course were marginalized in the pre Christian and pre islamic worlds too.

However, around the time of the French revolution, my understanding was that there was some hope amongst Jews that anti-semitism could be explained by specific religious doctrines and the anti-religious fervour of the french revolution might make antisemitism go away with it. Zionism - the view that there should be a Jewish majority nation in the middle east - started as a movement amongst Jews as a response to antisemitism amongst anti-Christian French revolutionaries. They basically concluded that the only place Jews could ever be safe is in a country that has a Jewish identity.

When it comes to explaining anti-semitism, I subscribe to the canary in the coalmine theory - that antisemitism is a symptom of disfunction in society. People scape goat Jews when there are deep problems in society. Jews are a visibile minority since they have visible markers (e.g. Yamaka's) which makes them easy to "other". They are also a difficult group to join (e.g. circumcision) which means it is rare for them not to be a minority which means when people are motivated to oppress them they often succeed. Third, they tend to be incredibly talented and successful which makes them the subject of a lot of conspiracy theories. Perhaps this unique combination of factors combined with human fallibility has made Jews vulnerable in every culture in the world

In recent times we have seen a spike of anti-semitism amongst the right when Trump got elected. The disfunction I would point to there would be the cult of personality around trump where no one on the right can question him without paying a social cost. That spike hasn't subsided

A much bigger spike happened amongst the left after oct 7 when a lot of political theories that were deeply popular with the elites were rejected as deeply unpopular with the general public (decolinization, transrights, viewing racism as a system rather than a prejudice etc). Now I am an academic, so its probably not terribly surprising that I find a lot of these ideas quite interesting and convincing. However, it is hard not to notice the level of disfunction in the political movement that came to become known as "woke".

All previous successful political actors on the left were pretty quickly marginalized amongst the Black lives matters movement - from the NAACP, to past civil rights leaders, to successful left wing political leaders- and replaced with activists who turned out to be grifters (Shaun King, the original BLM hashtag creators, Ibram Kendi). I think it was completely disfunctional for the left not to respect its political heros. So that was the first disfunction

second, the movement got very culty. I've grown up with labour policy trickling up from robust debates around bbqs and mutual respect. Any disagreement was seen as "right coded", "a dog whistle" and possibly even fascist. It is interesting to note that reduced policing in Black majority areas was the one policy area that had consensus support amongst "woke" activists but didn't manage to get majority support amongst African Americans. There are a lot of examples of this! The poor quality of policy came from lack of debate in my view. If you read academic "woke" literature like Beverly Tatum's work on racism as a system, you get much more sensible and nuanced discussion. So it wasn't the quality of thinkers available to the left it was the degree of cultiness making us stupid. Another disfunction

Third the movement argued that everything is politics. A very persausive argument going around the time would say "not being political is a privelege the marginalised don't have because their very existence is political". So everyone in elite circles felt a responsibility to make everything political, academics tried to make their work relate to politics, hollywood actors and movies had political messages non stop, same with journalists, coporate hr departments and ngos. The problem is the empirical claim that marganilised communities will be better off if we make everything political doesn't seem to be true. USA has always talked politics way more than Australia. Can anyone claim that marganilised communities are better off there? Politics tends to bring disfunction and disfunction tends to disproportionately affect vulnerable people. It is much better to have boundaries around politics - talk during election campaigns, particular sections of the news etc, rather than all the time. Again, disfunction

Fourth we worked with an internal contradiction. All institutions were argued to be colonialist, sexist, white supremicist. The problem is, these ideas were coming from the same institutions. So it ends up self defeating to undermined trust in institutions then trying to use those same institutions as an authority to push the ideas that undermined them. It's not clear how this was supposed to work as a political movement? We have seen a crash in trust in institutions, and what society functions without trust in institutions? Another disfunction

5th, the third problem of making everything political has made major elite institutions majorly partisan, so how are half the country supposed to trust elite insitutions when we talk about climate change, vaccines, birth rates, ai safety and the major challenges facing us that require deep scholarly thought but are a matter of public safety? Another deep disfunction. I would propose affirmative action for conservatives, though conservatives object to affirmative action as a policy so I'm not sure what to do. I think we need external intervention, since I have lost faith that we can self correct. In any case, there is no country that doesn't implement left wing values (equity, fairness, compassion etc) that is a single party state better than multiparty states. If that is true on the country level, why would it be different of institutions. Diversity of thought helps with the goals we care about when it comes to democracy, whereas one party states or institutions are disfunctional

The canary in a coal mine theory of antisemistism is that disfunction leads to scape goating Jews. In my view, after the growing backlash and public rejection of "woke" ideas. First Israel and then Zionist and then all Jews got scapegoated as the culmination of everything the elite class wanted to purge society of - racist, colonialist, nazi...I even saw an activist say opposing Israel is opposing climate change. With a mixture or truths, half truths, exaggerations and outright falsehoods, Israel and thenJews got associated to the worst crimes in Western history. Whenever people obsess over the Jews, the tendency is for regular folk to get into bonkers conspiracy theories about the Jews.
Once again we see this pattern predate oct 7 and rise after


The pattern seems to be in the canary in the coal mine theory of antisemitism disfunction-> scapegoating -> conspiracy theories propagating -> hate crimes -> pograms -> antisemitism comes for the rest of society
Before and after the world wars continental Europe really were sick of Jews. A lot of scapegoating spread and it was just normal to not want anything to do with them. My Hungarian great grandparents didn't accept a Jewish partner of a great aunt in the late 40s as he was Jewish. The notion was there's trouble wherever they are.

I think there are still pockets of Europe that think the same today. Now with the influx of muslims to Europe it's only gaining strength again. The politicians still say it's the far right. It's an absolute speck in comparison to those who've arrived in the last decade hell bent on harming others. I personally wouldn't mind the Red Army of 1945 to come into parts if Berlin and raze the joint. Berlin has become a lawless hellhole.
 
Before and after the world wars continental Europe really were sick of Jews. A lot of scapegoating spread and it was just normal to not want anything to do with them. My Hungarian great grandparents didn't accept a Jewish partner of a great aunt in the late 40s as he was Jewish. The notion was there's trouble wherever they are.

I think there are still pockets of Europe that think the same today. Now with the influx of muslims to Europe it's only gaining strength again. The politicians still say it's the far right. It's an absolute speck in comparison to those who've arrived in the last decade hell bent on harming others. I personally wouldn't mind the Red Army of 1945 to come into parts if Berlin and raze the joint. Berlin has become a lawless hellhole.
I liked the post till the last line. I don't know if I want soviets to burn berlin to the ground!!! I'm guessing that's hyperbole though and you mean something more innocent haha
 
I liked the post till the last line. I don't know if I want soviets to burn berlin to the ground!!! I'm guessing that's hyperbole though and you mean something more innocent haha
Yes, hyperbole. Basically the lawless communities where the justice system can't put the clans away needs to be eradicated. Police went into an illegal betting bar and 4 were injured in a fight with the guests. I suppose they didn't think the riot squad was needed.
 
Yes, hyperbole. Basically the lawless communities where the justice system can't put the clans away needs to be eradicated. Police went into an illegal betting bar and 4 were injured in a fight with the guests. I suppose they didn't think the riot squad was needed.
yeah I know little of Germany but I feel like the hard left has avoided anti-semitism there which I admire
 
yeah I know little of Germany but I feel like the hard left has avoided anti-semitism there which I admire
In a way but like also mentioned in this thread, the German Left party have pushed the anti Israel narrative all this time and are now facing backlash for their meek condolences this week. Not just anti conflict but going further with questioning Israel's existence.

Ironically one of the most outspoken Greens, who I think has now gone independent, goes against the party grain and is the most rational speaker on talk shows. He basically calls out his former party yet has a very balanced way of looking at things.
 
There’s pictures of the younger rabbi guy posing with bombs in Israel.

Possibly targeted at specific people they knew would be at the event?

That’s actually false. He was photographed with a shell of an interceptor missile from the Iron Dome.

 
That’s actually false. He was photographed with a shell of an interceptor missile from the Iron Dome.


Do you know the images I am talking about? There is more than one photo of him.

I havent even seen the one you are even posting. But there are clearly genuine ones.

He was a fund raiser for the IDF too.

I am just pointing it out. I make no comment on it.
 
In NSW you can get 20 years in jail for obstructing traffic during a protest. Laws that were enacted after protestors shut down a tunnel protesting climate change or something.

In Victoria it's equally as harsh.

That is fucking nuts.

This is not ok.

Violent protests I agree with you.
Why should someone protesting about an issue have the right to obstruct people going about their business? Even if you think they should be allowed to do so, how does it help promote the cause that they are promoting? Do you have a source for the 20 years or are you just exaggerating?
 
Why should someone protesting about an issue have the right to obstruct people going about their business? Even if you think they should be allowed to do so, how does it help promote the cause that they are promoting? Do you have a source for the 20 years or are you just exaggerating?
Imagine what would’ve happened to Tasmania if we just let people ‘go about their business’.
 
Why should someone protesting about an issue have the right to obstruct people going about their business? Even if you think they should be allowed to do so, how does it help promote the cause that they are promoting? Do you have a source for the 20 years or are you just exaggerating?

Beg your pardon. 2 years. (Typo.)

Still fucked.
 
Why should someone protesting about an issue have the right to obstruct people going about their business? Even if you think they should be allowed to do so, how does it help promote the cause that they are promoting? Do you have a source for the 20 years or are you just exaggerating?
If you ever lived in London, there was always lots of people outside the Sth African embassy with 'Free Nelson Mandela' signs.
There was a free Nelson Mandela protests around the city, there was a free Nelson Mandela concert.
 
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Lots of right wing Nutjobs here just like on my facebook account, school friends which I have now blocked.
 
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Lots of right wing Nutjobs here just like on my facebook account, school friends which I have now blocked.

that's a great deflection, straight out of Albo's playbook?

The only thing Albo has done since the attack is call out for tougher gun laws, and calm over the fear of right-wing violence. lol

Still waiting for him to call it out for what it actually is.

Guns don't kill people, people do.
 
A video did the rounds a while back asking all these Australian born Croatians who they'd support if Australia played Croatia in the football.

Every single one of them said Croatia. Great example of assimilation right there. Most of the clowns have probably never even been there and I know for a fact a lot of them would consider themselves Croatians first and Australians second. Even though they were born here and have been here for decades.

What were you saying about assimilating?

You'd have to wonder where their loyalties would lie if push came to shove and we ended up in a conflict against them.

And that's perfectly fine on which sporting nation they'd rather support. Same can be said about the Italians and the Greeks etc.

FFS talking about which country they'd support and comparing that to assimilating into the Australian culture.

Talk about clutching at straws.
 
Do you know the images I am talking about? There is more than one photo of him.

I havent even seen the one you are even posting. But there are clearly genuine ones.

He was a fund raiser for the IDF too.

I am just pointing it out. I make no comment on it.

No I don't know the images you are talking about, because you haven't shown any.

Either make an argument, or spare us the innuendo.

Evidence without a thesis is just noise, and insinuation without ownership is cowardice.

So which is it? Are these facts meant to establish something substantive, or are they merely being floated in the hope that others will draw the conclusion you decline to state aloud, which seems to be, "he had it coming".
 
that's a great deflection, straight out of Albo's playbook?

The only thing Albo has done since the attack is call out for tougher gun laws, and calm over the fear of right-wing violence. lol

Still waiting for him to call it out for what it actually is.

Guns don't kill people, people do.

Calling for tougher laws when the current laws are not being tested is an evil sleight of hand.
 
No I don't know the images you are talking about, because you haven't shown any.

Either make an argument, or spare us the innuendo.

Evidence without a thesis is just noise, and insinuation without ownership is cowardice.

So which is it? Are these facts meant to establish something substantive, or are they merely being floated in the hope that others will draw the conclusion you decline to state aloud, which seems to be, "he had it coming".

No. Nobody has it coming.

My point is asio just going to wave their hands in the air and go ‘greenies did this!’ They will look to see if this was targeted for a specific reason.

There is no innuendo. People there have been fundraising for the IDF, that is a genuine line of inquiry for our intelligence services.

You sound quite hysterical with that response. Anyone with any intelligence or an open mind would understand asio need to look at everything.

Nobody deserves what these disgusting pricks did. But we need to understand the motivation to attempt to prevent it again.
 
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I always like the Middle/ some kind of balance - either far sides are OTT and real problems for the loud ones are the Nut case's and in the end no help at all and keep adding more fuel to the fires.
Yes. And everyone else is caught in the middle.
 
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