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If you’re asking “how,” then your implication is that we are at failed-state territory, where the most basic protections of life and religious freedom are no longer assumed or reliably enforced.

However, I think you're just trolling so this will be my last reply to you.

Why is it so hard to drag an answer out of your blokes? Why don't you just make me look like an arse and list what practical steps could have been taken?

Its either because you don't know or haven't thought it through. Which is it?
 
Again, what are the practical steps to stop that?

Clearly you're 'trolling'. Apparently.

Asking for an explanation is not the done thing.
 
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Yeah i am. How?

It shouldn't be difficult. Apparently everyone is an expert about what's to be done.
Don't allow university grounds to breed hate. Sure, have protest groups but don't allow any that start spewing hate. Across the board. Unfortunately uni directors sympathise with some causes. Much stricter monitoring of known places of meet up for those being monitored. How an ISIS youth recruited released after 4 years could then fly an ISIS flag on the harbour bridge is beyond me. That guy should've had to report to a police station on that day. Oh, stricter judges wouldn't go astray.
 
Who is the UN supposed to send? They don't have a standing army.
But they seem to send armed troops into situations to do....what? It's a recurring pattern that they offered zero deterrent to any serious enemy combatant, I mean seriously they just stand around. Recently for example they got caught in a crossfire when Israel struck some facility in Lebanon and they UN complained because their "troops" got injured. I mean what were they doing there? If you're going into a hotspot to possibly assist local population and you well, don't then what's the point. Soildiers and guns aren't for show.
 
But they seem to send armed troops into situations to do....what? It's a recurring pattern that they offered zero deterrent to any serious enemy combatant, I mean seriously they just stand around. Recently for example they got caught in a crossfire when Israel struck some facility in Lebanon and they UN complained, I mean what were they doing there? If you're going into a hotspot to possibly assist local population and you well, don't then what's the point. Soildiers and guns aren't for show.

Understood but they're supposed to be there as 'peacekeepers'. Their rules of engagement are extremely restrictive.
 
Don't allow university grounds to breed hate. Sure, have protest groups but don't allow any that start spewing hate. Across the board. Unfortunately uni directors sympathise with some causes. Much stricter monitoring of known places of meet up for those being monitored. How an ISIS youth recruited released after 4 years could then fly an ISIS flag on the harbour bridge is beyond me. That guy should've had to report to a police station on that day. Oh, stricter judges wouldn't go astray.

Just on this! are protests, under these rules, about Israeli foreign policy allowed on university campuses?

Genuine question.
 
Just on this are protests, under these rules, about Israeli foreign policy allowed?

Genuine question.
Yeah definitely. Protesting Israel policies in a tactful, rational way is absolutely fine. Across the board for me also means the boys club is shut down for their antics as is the feminist club if they say men should die. Alas, allowing movements to go underground has its pitfalls too.
 
Yeah definitely. Protesting Israel policies in a tactful, rational way is absolutely fine. Across the board for me also means the boys club is shut down for their antics as is the feminist club if they say men should die. Alas, allowing movements to go underground has its pitfalls too.

I just don't know whether policing 'free speech' is a track we want to go down.

Acknowledging the difficulties of knowing where free speech ends and hate speech begins
 
I just don't know whether policing 'free speech' is a track we want to go down.

Acknowledging the difficulties of knowing where free speech ends and hate speech begins
Very true. I think we can discern pretty quickly in some cases the line has been crossed. It's these rabid groups that run around spouting hate that are the issue.

I'd like to see more constructive discourse. Perhaps there are debating societies that don't get as much air time.
 
Defunding universities that preach this bullshit would be a step in the right direction.

The hate preachers need to be deported back to the Middle East too.
Antisemitism has indeed blown up in academia. Id support an investigation/royal commision or whatever to stamp it out. Same with other elite institutions. Do the antisemetic hate crimes across the western world happen in anywhere near the same frequency if elite institutions didnt let antisemitism take a foothold?

A lot of heat coming onto the Muslim community, and Im sure there are individuals that deserve it. There will always be crazies and people doing crime amongst the population. But I tend to think prejudice is far more dangerous when it comes from elite voices, even if its a working class person who carries out the attrocity. So I put a lot of responsibility on elite institutions including my own (academia) and am a little surprised how little heat has been directed our way
 
Antisemitism has indeed blown up in academia. Id support an investigation/royal commision or whatever to stamp it out. Same with other elite institutions. Do the antisemetic hate crimes across the western world happen in anywhere near the same frequency if elite institutions didnt let antisemitism take a foothold?

A lot of heat coming onto the Muslim community, and Im sure there are individuals that deserve it. There will always be crazies and people doing crime amongst the population. But I tend to think prejudice is far more dangerous when it comes from elite voices, even if its a working class person who carries out the attrocity. So I put a lot of responsibility on elite institutions including my own (academia) and am a little surprised how little heat has been directed our way

You're a scientist right?

Correlation is not causation correct?

Still, the rise of antisemitism and Israel's wholesale slaughter and destruction in Gaza tracks pretty well together.

Coincidence?

Don't think one possibly has something to do with the other?
 
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Image of shooter on harbour Bridge with ISIS flag. Could be doctored but there were flags there denoting terror groups and this people should've been surrounded by police and detained. A minority that needs dealing with.
 
You're a scientist right?

Correlation is not causation correct?

Still, the rise of antisemitism and Israel's wholesale slaughter and destruction in Gaza tracks pretty well together.

Coincidence?
yes I'm a scientist

I didn't catch what you said was correlated but not caused, so I'll discuss correlation and causation in general terms - since pop science sux on this point - without knowing whether I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you :D. "Correlation is not causation" is a pop science motif that gets overused to be honest and flattens nuance. Correlation always implies something. If A is correlated with B it provides a prima facie case for causation and one of the following 5 options is true (arrows imply causation)

1) A-> B
2) B-> A
3) C-> B+A
4) A-> B-> A
5) A-> C-> B

The first is the most common, so all correlation tends to provide a prima facie case which motivates further investigation. Take for example that flu infections rise when the whether gets cold. In the options above

1) cold weather causes more flu infections
2) flus are causing the weather to get colder
3) something else is causing the temperature to drop and increase flus
4) cold weather causes flus which in turn makes the weather colder
5) cold weather causes some other phenomena which cause flu

only 1 and 5 are plausible, so in this case, and most cases, correlation really does imply causation. In other cases scientists working in the field are usually under the burden of proof to argue for options 2,3 or 4 and give evidence. Anyway hopefully that is a lighthearted digression as we return to the heavier topic.

For your second point, I disagree. Antisemitic hate crimes were elevated before Oct 7 then rose a few hundred percent in every western country, including Australia. This rise in hate crimes occurred before Israels response and did not further rise after Israels response, but has stayed at an alarming level.
2nd, even if Israel's response was the casus belli of rising antisemitism, implying (and forgive me if you weren't) that this is a mitigating circumstance seems to argue for a completely disfunctional and ungovernable society. Consider that the shooters were not Palestinian, the only thing in common with Palestinians is that Palestine is majority Muslim and the victims shared the same religion as the majority religion in Israel. If this the criteria that provides a mitigating circumstance for hate crimes, how many people fall into that criteria?
In this thread I've seen Nigeria and Ukraine mentioned, usually in the context of hypocrisy. I personally think its fairly normal for people to focus on single causes while ignoring others, no human can hold the entirety of the worlds suffering in their focus, without going mad.
However, I do think they are good examples for my point. If people who had the same religion as the Nigerian victims shot people who had the same ethnicity/religion as the perpetrators would that be mitigating? I know some russian colleagues with pretty dodgy opinions about the Ukraine war. Would it be mitigating if an Ethiopian Orthodox shot up some Russians in Australia having a BBQ. There are nearly 60 armed conflicts happening right now quite a few having allegations of genocide and attrocities. If the principle is that these are mitigating circumstances not just for refugess from the conflict to attack civilians from another country (I'd already disagree with that principle) but for anyone with something in common with country A having mitigating circumstances for attacking people who have something in common with country B. How is that supposed to work unless Jews are the single exception?
 
yes I'm a scientist

I didn't catch what you said was correlated but not caused, so I'll discuss correlation and causation in general terms - since pop science sux on this point - without knowing whether I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you :D. "Correlation is not causation" is a pop science motif that gets overused to be honest and flattens nuance. Correlation always implies something. If A is correlated with B it provides a prima facie case for causation and one of the following 5 options is true (arrows imply causation)

1) A-> B
2) B-> A
3) C-> B+A
4) A-> B-> A
5) A-> C-> B

The first is the most common, so all correlation tends to provide a prima facie case which motivates further investigation. Take for example that flu infections rise when the whether gets cold. In the options above

1) cold weather causes more flu infections
2) flus are causing the weather to get colder
3) something else is causing the temperature to drop and increase flus
4) cold weather causes flus which in turn makes the weather colder
5) cold weather causes some other phenomena which cause flu

only 1 and 5 are plausible, so in this case, and most cases, correlation really does imply causation. In other cases scientists working in the field are usually under the burden of proof to argue for options 2,3 or 4 and give evidence. Anyway hopefully that is a lighthearted digression as we return to the heavier topic.

For your second point, I disagree. Antisemitic hate crimes were elevated before Oct 7 then rose a few hundred percent in every western country, including Australia. This rise in hate crimes occurred before Israels response and did not further rise after Israels response, but has stayed at an alarming level.
2nd, even if Israel's response was the casus belli of rising antisemitism, implying (and forgive me if you weren't) that this is a mitigating circumstance seems to argue for a completely disfunctional and ungovernable society. Consider that the shooters were not Palestinian, the only thing in common with Palestinians is that Palestine is majority Muslim and the victims shared the same religion as the majority religion in Israel. If this the criteria that provides a mitigating circumstance for hate crimes, how many people fall into that criteria?
In this thread I've seen Nigeria and Ukraine mentioned, usually in the context of hypocrisy. I personally think its fairly normal for people to focus on single causes while ignoring others, no human can hold the entirety of the worlds suffering in their focus, without going mad.
However, I do think they are good examples for my point. If people who had the same religion as the Nigerian victims shot people who had the same ethnicity/religion as the perpetrators would that be mitigating? I know some russian colleagues with pretty dodgy opinions about the Ukraine war. Would it be mitigating if an Ethiopian Orthodox shot up some Russians in Australia having a BBQ. There are nearly 60 armed conflicts happening right now quite a few having allegations of genocide and attrocities. If the principle is that these are mitigating circumstances not just for refugess from the conflict to attack civilians from another country (I'd already disagree with that principle) but for anyone with something in common with country A having mitigating circumstances for attacking people who have something in common with country B. How is that supposed to work unless Jews are the single exception?
No one flirts like Jeff Goldblum on Jurassic Park. Now that! Is chaos theory.
 
There’s pictures of the younger rabbi guy posing with bombs in Israel.

Possibly targeted at specific people they knew would be at the event?
 
Yeah definitely. Protesting Israel policies in a tactful, rational way is absolutely fine. Across the board for me also means the boys club is shut down for their antics as is the feminist club if they say men should die. Alas, allowing movements to go underground has its pitfalls too.
Try writing that into law.
 
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