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People hysterically blaming everything they already don’t like. Surprised transgenders in book clubs haven’t been blamed yet.

strange nobody had bothered to point a finger towards decades of worldwide foreign policy based on violence (from multiple nations, not just the west)

Mossad trying to blame this on airan is obvious. Do we really think the outcome of that will make everyone safer?
 
There’s pictures of the younger rabbi guy posing with bombs in Israel.

Possibly targeted at specific people they knew would be at the event?
Yes I think so and something about the hosting organisation being a wing that really promotes the bad stuff Israel do. Certainly big political motive there. Only glanced over some of this stuff but it appears such organisations do have their enemies.
 
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In a free and robust democracy the right to protest should be sacrosanct. End of.
I agree with you up to a point. There are lots of forms of protest. Being obstructive, abusive and violent (or encouraging violence) are forms of protest that shouldn't be allowed. In actual fact they are counter productive. It's never been the best way to persuade others to your point of view by stuffing them up when they are just trying to go about their business.
 
The German constitution protects the right of assembly and protest. The thing the idiots don't understand is that the moment you start petrol bombing, charging police and damaging public property, it's not a protest anymore.

The moment any protestor crosses the line they need to be removed.
 
For your second point, I disagree. Antisemitic hate crimes were elevated before Oct 7 then rose a few hundred percent in every western country, including Australia. This rise in hate crimes occurred before Israels response and did not further rise after Israels response, but has stayed at an alarming level.

Do you have any data to back this up because that's a big claim?

A few hundred per cent is, at least, a doubling.

And if it's true care to elucidate why you think it has happened? Radical academics at University you're seeming to suggest that need a royal commission to knock some sense into them? Them or is it something else?
 
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People hysterically blaming everything they already don’t like. Surprised transgenders in book clubs haven’t been blamed yet.

strange nobody had bothered to point a finger towards decades of worldwide foreign policy based on violence (from multiple nations, not just the west)

Mossad trying to blame this on airan is obvious. Do we really think the outcome of that will make everyone safer?

Yes Mossad claiming Iran did it is hilarious. They conned the US into bombing them and now they're carrying on about Iran being involved here.

Maybe they were, let's see the proof.
 
I agree with you up to a point. There are lots of forms of protest. Being obstructive, abusive and violent (or encouraging violence) are forms of protest that shouldn't be allowed. In actual fact they are counter productive. It's never been the best way to persuade others to your point of view by stuffing them up when they are just trying to go about their business.

In NSW you can get 20 years in jail for obstructing traffic during a protest. Laws that were enacted after protestors shut down a tunnel protesting climate change or something.

In Victoria it's equally as harsh.

That is fucking nuts.

This is not ok.

Violent protests I agree with you.
 
Yes but one man's 'hate speech' is another persons free speech.

Who decides 'hate speech'?
I think there is a lot of terminology that can be used about anyone to determine hate speech. Calling for murder or eradication of a people is one.

Sounds like a South Park episode where KKK use words like 'make go away' to avoid arrest. The intent of what the speech should bring about is also a factor.

If not hate speech then certainly other provisions like disturbing the peace or inciting violence can be used. Tricky to rule but not impossible.
 
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Do you have any data to back this up because that's a big claim?

A few hundred per cent is, at least, a doubling.
yes though it is a lot of work. I'll focus on UK and Austrlia to make it easier for myself.

First here is a police source source that shows over 1000% rise in anti semitic hate crimes in the UK immediately after oct 7 and a 100% rise in anti muslim hate crimes (numbers are even more alarming once adjusted for population)


Here is a source from NSW police. On page 4 there are the hate crimes and hate incident reports which rise by a few hundred percent from 2022 to 2024 and 2025. Page 6 gives conviction information which shows a 1000% rise


Note that all crimes have an attrition rate between reports, trial and convictions with the biggest attrition coming at the first stage. The vast majority of crimes do not result in a trial or conviction, but both reports and convictions of antisemitic hate crimes have shown increase with the ratio being similar to other crimes, indicating no evidence of exaggeration or fabrication


Next data has been collected by Jewish advocacy organizations which have shown huge sustained spikes in antisemitism in every wester country.

This report by the Canadian Jewish Advocacy shows a 317% rise in anti semitic hate crimes in Australia with tables for the difference between 2023 and 2024

 
yes though it is a lot of work. I'll focus on UK and Austrlia to make it easier for myself.

First here is a police source source that shows over 1000% rise in anti semitic hate crimes in the UK immediately after oct 7 and a 100% rise in anti muslim hate crimes (numbers are even more alarming once adjusted for population)


Here is a source from NSW police. On page 4 there are the hate crimes and hate incident reports which rise by a few hundred percent from 2022 to 2024 and 2025. Page 6 gives conviction information which shows a 1000% rise


Note that all crimes have an attrition rate between reports, trial and convictions with the biggest attrition coming at the first stage. The vast majority of crimes do not result in a trial or conviction, but both reports and convictions of antisemitic hate crimes have shown increase with the ratio being similar to other crimes, indicating no evidence of exaggeration or fabrication


Next data has been collected by Jewish advocacy organizations which have shown huge sustained spikes in antisemitism in every wester country.

This report by the Canadian Jewish Advocacy shows a 317% rise in anti semitic hate crimes in Australia with tables for the difference between 2023 and 2024


And the reason for this?
 
And the reason for this?

The hate crimes were already heightened before oct 7 with 60% of anti-religious hate crimes in the usa being anti semitic and they rose after oct 7 and before Israel's reponse and have remained elevated. Since the rise hapenned before October 7 they cannot be explained by Israel's response

I give at least part of the responsibility to elites including academia. A very public example was professor Russell Rickford who called the attack "exhilirating". That of course is an extreme example and thankfully hasn't been the general response. However, antisemitism amongst elites have since minimized, downplayed, excused and changed the topic repeatedly when antisemitic hate is brought up and took a blind eye to explicit calls for violence against Jews including "globalize the intifada".
The rise in anti semitic hate crimes by several hundred percent should be common knowledge and the fact that it isn't shows the neglect of elite institutions like the media and academia
 
And the reason for this?
Not October 7 apparently. This stuff simply isn't OK. Not you Muz, but those screaming out against any post Islamic terror reprisals are the same who say Jewish feelings aren't valid.

I was in London on October 7 and there were celebrations by lunch time. The next day mass protests. These people had been raring to go. Yet, what were they doing the rest of the time? It's all to do with their issue with Israel. Yemen, Sudan and others need not apply.
 
Academia had been brewing on some of this stuff for a while. It gets used as a platform for whatever 'cause' they into. As if they even care about their field. That's just a disguise. The same now goes for some who work in media.
 
Not October 7 apparently. This stuff simply isn't OK. Not you Muz, but those screaming out against any post Islamic terror reprisals are the same who say Jewish feelings aren't valid.

I was in London on October 7 and there were celebrations by lunch time. The next day mass protests. These people had been raring to go. Yet, what were they doing the rest of the time? It's all to do with their issue with Israel. Yemen, Sudan and others need not apply.

I'm genuinely asking why.
 
I'm genuinely asking why.
Not just the conflict but the influx of people from the ME into the west only leads to more documented cases. Amongst the community it becomes normalised. I've got many Arab students who refuse to acknowledge Jewish concerns. These are random off the record comments rather than raising it in class. Typically a European will mention Israel somehow and its a taboo word with the others in the room.

We know how our media can portray things and then there's no wonder what the media these people consume can portray.
 
I'm genuinely asking why.

No one that I know of has definitely proven what causes anti-semitism. We know that the history shows it is remarkably constant. Throughout the middle ages there were Jewish refugees in both Christian Europe and the Islamic world escaping antisemitism from the other region. Jews of course were marginalized in the pre Christian and pre islamic worlds too.

However, around the time of the French revolution, my understanding was that there was some hope amongst Jews that anti-semitism could be explained by specific religious doctrines and the anti-religious fervour of the french revolution might make antisemitism go away with it. Zionism - the view that there should be a Jewish majority nation in the middle east - started as a movement amongst Jews as a response to antisemitism amongst anti-Christian French revolutionaries. They basically concluded that the only place Jews could ever be safe is in a country that has a Jewish identity.

When it comes to explaining anti-semitism, I subscribe to the canary in the coalmine theory - that antisemitism is a symptom of disfunction in society. People scape goat Jews when there are deep problems in society. Jews are a visibile minority since they have visible markers (e.g. Yamaka's) which makes them easy to "other". They are also a difficult group to join (e.g. circumcision) which means it is rare for them not to be a minority which means when people are motivated to oppress them they often succeed. Third, they tend to be incredibly talented and successful which makes them the subject of a lot of conspiracy theories. Perhaps this unique combination of factors combined with human fallibility has made Jews vulnerable in every culture in the world

In recent times we have seen a spike of anti-semitism amongst the right when Trump got elected. The disfunction I would point to there would be the cult of personality around trump where no one on the right can question him without paying a social cost. That spike hasn't subsided

A much bigger spike happened amongst the left after oct 7 when a lot of political theories that were deeply popular with the elites were rejected as deeply unpopular with the general public (decolinization, transrights, viewing racism as a system rather than a prejudice etc). Now I am an academic, so its probably not terribly surprising that I find a lot of these ideas quite interesting and convincing. However, it is hard not to notice the level of disfunction in the political movement that came to become known as "woke".

All previous successful political actors on the left were pretty quickly marginalized amongst the Black lives matters movement - from the NAACP, to past civil rights leaders, to successful left wing political leaders- and replaced with activists who turned out to be grifters (Shaun King, the original BLM hashtag creators, Ibram Kendi). I think it was completely disfunctional for the left not to respect its political heros. So that was the first disfunction

second, the movement got very culty. I've grown up with labour policy trickling up from robust debates around bbqs and mutual respect. Any disagreement was seen as "right coded", "a dog whistle" and possibly even fascist. It is interesting to note that reduced policing in Black majority areas was the one policy area that had consensus support amongst "woke" activists but didn't manage to get majority support amongst African Americans. There are a lot of examples of this! The poor quality of policy came from lack of debate in my view. If you read academic "woke" literature like Beverly Tatum's work on racism as a system, you get much more sensible and nuanced discussion. So it wasn't the quality of thinkers available to the left it was the degree of cultiness making us stupid. Another disfunction

Third the movement argued that everything is politics. A very persausive argument going around the time would say "not being political is a privelege the marginalised don't have because their very existence is political". So everyone in elite circles felt a responsibility to make everything political, academics tried to make their work relate to politics, hollywood actors and movies had political messages non stop, same with journalists, coporate hr departments and ngos. The problem is the empirical claim that marganilised communities will be better off if we make everything political doesn't seem to be true. USA has always talked politics way more than Australia. Can anyone claim that marganilised communities are better off there? Politics tends to bring disfunction and disfunction tends to disproportionately affect vulnerable people. It is much better to have boundaries around politics - talk during election campaigns, particular sections of the news etc, rather than all the time. Again, disfunction

Fourth we worked with an internal contradiction. All institutions were argued to be colonialist, sexist, white supremicist. The problem is, these ideas were coming from the same institutions. So it ends up self defeating to undermined trust in institutions then trying to use those same institutions as an authority to push the ideas that undermined them. It's not clear how this was supposed to work as a political movement? We have seen a crash in trust in institutions, and what society functions without trust in institutions? Another disfunction

5th, the third problem of making everything political has made major elite institutions majorly partisan, so how are half the country supposed to trust elite insitutions when we talk about climate change, vaccines, birth rates, ai safety and the major challenges facing us that require deep scholarly thought but are a matter of public safety? Another deep disfunction. I would propose affirmative action for conservatives, though conservatives object to affirmative action as a policy so I'm not sure what to do. I think we need external intervention, since I have lost faith that we can self correct. In any case, there is no country that doesn't implement left wing values (equity, fairness, compassion etc) that is a single party state better than multiparty states. If that is true on the country level, why would it be different of institutions. Diversity of thought helps with the goals we care about when it comes to democracy, whereas one party states or institutions are disfunctional

The canary in a coal mine theory of antisemistism is that disfunction leads to scape goating Jews. In my view, after the growing backlash and public rejection of "woke" ideas. First Israel and then Zionist and then all Jews got scapegoated as the culmination of everything the elite class wanted to purge society of - racist, colonialist, nazi...I even saw an activist say opposing Israel is opposing climate change. With a mixture or truths, half truths, exaggerations and outright falsehoods, Israel and thenJews got associated to the worst crimes in Western history. Whenever people obsess over the Jews, the tendency is for regular folk to get into bonkers conspiracy theories about the Jews.
Once again we see this pattern predate oct 7 and rise after


The pattern seems to be in the canary in the coal mine theory of antisemitism disfunction-> scapegoating -> conspiracy theories propagating -> hate crimes -> pograms -> antisemitism comes for the rest of society
 
Sorry for the epically long post. I'm deferring work to do this because I do think it is important and it is a complicated issue that requires a lot of research and is not yet understood
 
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