Australian news and politics.

[Robbos]

I would have thought , and I can't speak for New Zealanders(happy to be told Im wrong) but maybe the Haka is a heritage expression of the WHOLE of New Zealand. It is a fierce warrior expression of defiance. An NZ vs the World sort of thing that would resonate with all of the New Zealanders no matter where their parents are born or what their ethnicity is. You see NZ schoolboys, whiter than vanilla ice cream doing it, or Asian kids or whatever. Sure it is in the Maori language but it is an example of indigenous culture mixing with all the other cultures to create a unified front.

The WTC is explicitly a particular tribe of indigenous people welcoming everyone else onto "their land". Sure its done in fellowship but if you cannot see how this excludes EVERY other Australian (yes even you) that isnt part of that "mob" then either you don't want to see it or you dont care. Will my kids be able to host a "welcome to country", will yours? Why not?

Anyway, the people who booed at the shrine are the bigger arseholes in my view.. No class, no respect.

No my & your kids will not host a "welcome to country', they are not Aboriginal with ancestral ties to the place where the welcome takes place. I personally don't understand the problem.This is a recognition of the local traditional owners of this country.
This is part of the reconciliation act by our government to the traditional owners.
To understand the issues the traditional owners of this country faces, is that someone as intelligent as you do not recognise or have any pride of the history of Australia prior to European settlement & you are not on your pat Malone.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

No my & your kids will not host a "welcome to country', they are not Aboriginal with ancestral ties to the place where the welcome takes place. I personally don't understand the problem.This is a recognition of the local traditional owners of this country.
This is part of the reconciliation act by our government to the traditional owners.
To understand the issues the traditional owners of this country faces, is that someone as intelligent as you do not recognise or have any pride of the history of Australia prior to European settlement & you are not on your pat Malone.

I appreciate the compliment mate and I hold you in equal respect but I think (as we do quite often) we are discussing two different points.

I understand the reconciliation attempt and applaud it, just as I understand the injustice the aboriginals faced and still face to this day. I sympathise but struggle to empathise sometimes I must admit, but what I can't share is a pride in a history I and people like myself are specifically excluded from. Especially by ceremonies like this. It isn't MY history and instead of trying to include Europeans like the Maori have done in your Haka example, the WTC is NOT for the whittles or the Asians or the Lebs.. sorry mate thats not my Australia.

Anyway we wont see eye to eye, I agree with many that the Anzac Day Dawn service should be something that unites the nation in common respect of the sacrifice ALL Australians have taken in war to create and protect our glorious nation , even though many of us were once enemies on the battle field. The day is about honour, reflection and national pride and should NOT be hijacked but reconciliation to a small segment of our population it should be for ALL of us... I also agree that those who booed it show the MOST disrespect on what is supposed to be a solemn occasion.

 

[Toebash]

Pauline gifted a private jet by a mining billionaire. What a working class hero!

At least she had the decency to declare it this time.

 

[Sharkman84]

 

[LFC]

I just can't cope listening to this bumbling idiot - stopped after 1.40.

 

[erogenouszone]

Pauline gifted a private jet by a mining billionaire. What a working class hero!

At least she had the decency to declare it this time.

She wasn't gifted a private jet, she was grifted one.

 

[Football us life]

The trouble with the likes of Pauline Hanson is that they talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk they're easily found out....

Anyone can stir up grievances without detailed policy about how they are going to be poltically delivering substantive results when in power.

Populism of course is easy....

"elites are screwing you," "too much immigration strains housing/wages/crime," "stop wasting money on symbolic stuff".....

It requires far less technocratic scaffolding than drafting detailed white papers, modelling fiscal impacts, or herding parliamentary majorities. Pauline Hanson, like Trump, Farage, or Meloni types, excels at the former with simple, emotionally resonant language that cuts through bureaucratic fog and all that media filtering.

It resonates with the "battlers" because it mirrors what many voters experience directly rising rents in Brisbane, visible changes in the suburbs, welfare and wage disparities, integration failures leading to terrible incidents like Bondi Beach.....

It's all poltiical shtick that a lot of people seem to easily fall for!

 

[JS96]

The trouble with the likes of Pauline Hanson is that they talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk they're easily found out....

Anyone can stir up grievances without detailed policy about how they are going to be poltically delivering substantive results when in power.

Populism of course is easy....

"elites are screwing you," "too much immigration strains housing/wages/crime," "stop wasting money on symbolic stuff".....

It requires far less technocratic scaffolding than drafting detailed white papers, modelling fiscal impacts, or herding parliamentary majorities. Pauline Hanson, like Trump, Farage, or Meloni types, excels at the former with simple, emotionally resonant language that cuts through bureaucratic fog and all that media filtering.

It resonates with the "battlers" because it mirrors what many voters experience directly rising rents in Brisbane, visible changes in the suburbs, welfare and wage disparities, integration failures leading to terrible incidents like Bondi Beach.....

It's all poltiical shtick that a lot of people seem to easily fall for!

As opposed to those who've been in office for decades masquerading as the politically competent?

We have these problems because of those who've been in office.

Sure, populists aren't ideal, but it's not as if they're any worse than the bumbling fools in office.

A lot of the German greens don't have any professional or academic background and entered the junior wing of the party at a young age then got high responsible jobs.

A discussion with a friend recently confirmed our best and brightest don't end up in politics. At least in decades past many were highly educated in respectable practical fields. I can't remember exactly but there was a line of prime ministers with engineering and law backgrounds with a decent run of competence.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

The trouble with the likes of Pauline Hanson is that they talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk they're easily found out....

Anyone can stir up grievances without detailed policy about how they are going to be poltically delivering substantive results when in power.

Populism of course is easy....

"elites are screwing you," "too much immigration strains housing/wages/crime," "stop wasting money on symbolic stuff".....

It requires far less technocratic scaffolding than drafting detailed white papers, modelling fiscal impacts, or herding parliamentary majorities. Pauline Hanson, like Trump, Farage, or Meloni types, excels at the former with simple, emotionally resonant language that cuts through bureaucratic fog and all that media filtering.

It resonates with the "battlers" because it mirrors what many voters experience directly rising rents in Brisbane, visible changes in the suburbs, welfare and wage disparities, integration failures leading to terrible incidents like Bondi Beach.....

It's all poltiical shtick that a lot of people seem to easily fall for!

Aristophanes
"Demagogues are like the fishers for eels; in still waters they catch nothing, but if they thoroughly stir up the slime, their fishing is good; in the same way it's only in troublous times that you line your pockets"

 

[Football us life]

Aristophanes
"Demagogues are like the fishers for eels; in still waters they catch nothing, but if they thoroughly stir up the slime, their fishing is good; in the same way it's only in troublous times that you line your pockets"

Brilliant

Is this the first time Aristophanes has been quoted on G & G FC??

 

[LFC]

The trouble with the likes of Pauline Hanson is that they talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk they're easily found out....

Anyone can stir up grievances without detailed policy about how they are going to be poltically delivering substantive results when in power.

Populism of course is easy....

"elites are screwing you," "too much immigration strains housing/wages/crime," "stop wasting money on symbolic stuff".....

It requires far less technocratic scaffolding than drafting detailed white papers, modelling fiscal impacts, or herding parliamentary majorities. Pauline Hanson, like Trump, Farage, or Meloni types, excels at the former with simple, emotionally resonant language that cuts through bureaucratic fog and all that media filtering.

It resonates with the "battlers" because it mirrors what many voters experience directly rising rents in Brisbane, visible changes in the suburbs, welfare and wage disparities, integration failures leading to terrible incidents like Bondi Beach.....

It's all poltiical shtick that a lot of people seem to easily fall for!

reasonating with the battlers or here the bogans is a common thing for decades.
IE the classic was Hawkey - a unionist but came across hardly any diff to bogan Hanson just different circumstances in times.
The perfect bogan Frontman leader - beers in hand, whoever sacks someone today is a mug.
It was his backroom staff who did the work.
Importantly these are the types that help shift the ones/or apply pressure on the ones at the wheel as JS96 mentions.

 

[JS96]

reasonating with the battlers or here the bogans is a common thing for decades.
IE the classic was Hawkey - a unionist but came across hardly any diff to bogan Hanson just difefrent circumstances in times.
The perfect bogan Frontman leader - beers in hand, whoever sacks someone today is a mug.
It was his backroom staff who did the work.
Importantly these are the types that help shift the ones/or apply pressure on the ones at the wheel as JS96 mentions.

I know this is simplistic thinking but if parties just put someone with enough competence and charisma in and laid out a plan to fix the issues they'd have a good chance of winning.

Alas, it's more complicated than that with actually delivering and their own party infighting.

I feel that candidates overcomplicate campaigns now and more so can't hardly enunciate HOW they're going to fix things. Sick of hearing 'we must, we need to' fucking do it!

 

[Keeper66]

As opposed to those who've been in office for decades masquerading as the politically competent?

We have these problems because of those who've been in office.

Sure, populists aren't ideal, but it's not as if they're any worse than the bumbling fools in office.

A lot of the German greens don't have any professional or academic background and entered the junior wing of the party at a young age then got high responsible jobs.

A discussion with a friend recently confirmed our best and brightest don't end up in politics. At least in decades past many were highly educated in respectable practical fields. I can't remember exactly but there was a line of prime ministers with engineering and law backgrounds with a decent run of competence.

I would suggest that there are many (and an increasing number) of people in the USA who have lived experience and would dispute that.

 

[Football us life]

As opposed to those who've been in office for decades masquerading as the politically competent?

We have these problems because of those who've been in office.

Sure, populists aren't ideal, but it's not as if they're any worse than the bumbling fools in office.

A lot of the German greens don't have any professional or academic background and entered the junior wing of the party at a young age then got high responsible jobs.

A discussion with a friend recently confirmed our best and brightest don't end up in politics. At least in decades past many were highly educated in respectable practical fields. I can't remember exactly but there was a line of prime ministers with engineering and law backgrounds with a decent run of competence.

I'm just touching on the central tension of modern populism - the gap between emotional resonance and administrative competence....

Governance is inherently technocratic. Solving housing shortages requires complex zoning reform, infrastructure financing, and tax policy none of which fit on a bumper sticker!

Addressing economic inequality, restoring local services, using clear communication and replacing bureaucratic jargon with transparent, community-led decision-making will perhaps go a long way to closing the gap between the "elites" and "battlers."

But it's likely impossible to achieve. And the populists know this but still play on it.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I know this is simplistic thinking but if parties just put someone with enough competence and charisma in and laid out a plan to fix the issues they'd have a good chance of winning.

Alas, it's more complicated than that with actually delivering and their own party infighting.

I feel that candidates overcomplicate campaigns now and more so can't hardly enunciate HOW they're going to fix things. Sick of hearing 'we must, we need to' fucking do it!

Someone with competence and charisma is a dangerous, uncontrollable beast... Major parties would NEVER take the risk.

My favourite quote is by Herbert Hoover, a man struggling, and failing, to control the great depression and its effects... an OLD SCHOOL Republican, not the mess that party has become now.

Every collectivist revolution rides in on a Trojan horse of "emergency". It was the tactic of Lenin, Hitler, and Mussolini. In the collectivist sweep over a dozen minor countries of Europe, it was the cry of men striving to get on horseback. And "emergency" became the justification of the subsequent steps. This technique of creating emergency is the greatest achievement that demagoguery attains.

 

[Football us life]

Someone with competence and charisma is a dangerous, uncontrollable beast... Major parties would NEVER take the risk.

My favourite quote is by Herbert Hoover, a man struggling, and failing, to control the great depression and its effects... an OLD SCHOOL Republican, not the mess that party has become now.

Every collectivist revolution rides in on a Trojan horse of "emergency". It was the tactic of Lenin, Hitler, and Mussolini. In the collectivist sweep over a dozen minor countries of Europe, it was the cry of men striving to get on horseback. And "emergency" became the justification of the subsequent steps. This technique of creating emergency is the greatest achievement that demagoguery attains.

Brilliant

Is this the first time Herbert Hoover been quoted on G & G FC?

 

[LFC]

I'm just touching on the central tension of modern populism - the gap between emotional resonance and administrative competence....

Governance is inherently technocratic. Solving housing shortages requires complex zoning reform, infrastructure financing, and tax policy none of which fit on a bumper sticker!

Now your dreaming - I totally agree but its far far too complex and nowadays it takes 5 yrs to change a light bulb but a bumper sticker slogan easy for the sheep to grasp hahaha

Addressing economic inequality, restoring local services, using clear communication and replacing bureaucratic jargon with transparent, community-led decision-making will perhaps go a longb way tonclosing the gap between the "elites" and "battlers."

economic inequality ? the have's and have not gap keeps widening as it did slowly decades before, the evolving shrinkage of Industries and all has accelerated this the last 20yrs (consolidations) and those in Gov missed putting out the anchors, clear comms is dead sadly, not that it was great before but it was slower and you didn't feel it as much - whatever decent leadership gets presented (is there any) gets shouted down - I feel like its a snowball increasing downhill speed can't be stopped now.
The elitist/rich/have pollies (are there any decent ones) in the palm of their hands.
How did it get this far - migration hurting countries 3fold but its a dirty word, look at France/Germany/UK/Italy for eg - basket case's what they once were.

But it's likely impossible to achieve. And the populists know this but still play on it.

hard to change your tune/dna if your a populist.
Sorry for my negative outlook and possibly umpopular comments.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Brilliant

Is this the first time Herbert Hoover been quoted on G & G FC?

Listen here you .. not my fault I need to rely on brilliant thinkers of the past to best express my thoughts... hahahahah

Not everyone is a soon to be accomplished author you know

 

[Football us life]

Now your dreaming - I totally agree but its far far too complex and nowadays it takes 5 yrs to change a light bulb but a bumper sticker slogan easy for the sheep to grasp hahaha

economic inequality ? the have's and have not gap keeps widening as it did slowly decades before, the evolving shrinkage of Industries and all has accelerated this the last 20yrs (consolidations) and those in Gov missed putting out the anchors, clear comms is dead sadly, not that it was great before but it was slower and you didn't feel it as much - whatever decent leadership gets presented (is there any) gets shouted down - I feel like its a snowball increasing downhill speed can't be stopped now.
The elitist/rich/have pollies (are there any decent ones) in the palm of their hands.
How did it get this far - migration hurting countries 3fold but its a dirty word, look at France/Germany/UK/Italy for eg - basket case's what they once were.

hard to change your tune/dna if your a populist.
Sorry for my negative outlook and possibly umpopular comments.

I reckon your comments are pretty good and similar to what most people think.

I'm pretty poltically negative when it comes to supporting Pauline-like populists so my opinions are geared towards that sentiment.

ButcI'll never have a go at others who's opinions differ to mine.

 

[JS96]

I would suggest that there are many (and an increasing number) of people in the USA who have lived experience and would dispute that.

The Democrats promising to help but never do? They've got to get their own house in order and that's why a lot of people republican, which doesn't help them either.