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[Sharkman84]

Ha wow you got totally down voted.

The morons who think ANZAC day glorifies war don't listen to the words of the speeches at the ceremonies. The speeches are commemorative and solemn. The marches proceed through cities with gratitude from those watching.

If you want war glorification, go to defence company trade shows or join your local terror cell.

Reddit's a total binfire full of green-haired deranged lunatic lefties and always has been.

 

[Sharkman84]

Have you looked into these claims or this guy’s background?

This is like asking Isis to do an investigative report on Jews. Lmfao

Why are you asking me for?

Take that up with Channel 7, they ran the story not me, I don't work for them.

 

[Sharkman84]

I think you are some greenie, give us your case for nuclear. Is there another colour for green/nuclear people, maybe burnt orange

The bloke seems to be a bonafide greenie who'd seem to be right at home with the deranged lunatics on Reddit.

 

[Sharkman84]

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/less-sexy-grim-stats-reveal-young-aussies-abandoning-apprenticeships-in-key-trades/news-story/4da580c4f0d649f77ebf7613634aec49

 

[LFC]

When do you think the Welcome to Country is appropriate then? Not trying to be a dick, just genuinely interested in the range of views that people might have on this.

I personally like the Welcome to Country, but I agree that it isn't appropriate all the time (in much the same way that I imagine most Kiwis like the haka but, again, there's a time and place for it and some of the bizarre occasions they seem to whip it out is a little bit cringe). In my view, a large, public, civic gathering like the dawn service is precisely the right time to do a Welcome to Country.

Putting aside the political side generally people don’t like or come to grips with change.
Normal trait and what where the change is introduced.
This has been a wild storm from the get go no diff to the Y/N vote.
It’s obvious a higher % of people don’t gravitate towards it worse it’s been over done.
Typically Gov schools over do it as well.
IMO it should be left and done in Canbra where it belongs.
Toebash you can introduce doing it at all your family important occasions for eg.

 

[NicCarBel]

IMO it should be left and done in Canbra where it belongs.

I fucking hate them

Well.. to be honest.. it’s the acknowledgment of of country I don’t like. We don’t need them in a meeting between my team at work, read out by my boss, in my team with no indigenous background ffs

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

After much historical analysis reading and reflections I've always been in the opinion that Monash was one of the greatest military figures of the 20th century...

Not just in Australian terms but in a globally recognised military perspective. In fact I'm not alone in this either....

Winston Churchill is on record as saying that he personally held a deep, lifelong admiration for Monash’s military brilliance. Churchill once described the August 1918 offensive which Monash played a pivotal role in planning "the mightiest military conception and the most terrific onslaught which the annals of war record".....

Not sure the First Lord of the Admiralty who singlehandedly caused over 60 thousand deaths on the failed Gallipoli campaign would be qualified to recognise military brilliance.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I agreed with the booing at welcome to country at an ANZAC service, and I hope it never happens again. Both

Good call.... But even so, the booing was shit and those who actually ruined such a sombre moment are cockheads.

have some fuckin respect.

 

[HonestSpursFan]

I probably wouldn't have thought about it in the way of his Jewishness myself but I've never understood why Jews are disdained so much to be honest....

The book Why the Jews? The Reason for Antisemitism has a good answer. Basically Jews were a minority group in Christian and Muslim societies who had strained relations with their Jewish residents. They had antisemitic policies towards them and whenever something went wrong they could easily scapegoat Jews. Antisemitism has since been a thing for thousands of years and continues to this very day.

 

[HonestSpursFan]

When do you think the Welcome to Country is appropriate then? Not trying to be a dick, just genuinely interested in the range of views that people might have on this.

I personally like the Welcome to Country, but I agree that it isn't appropriate all the time (in much the same way that I imagine most Kiwis like the haka but, again, there's a time and place for it and some of the bizarre occasions they seem to whip it out is a little bit cringe). In my view, a large, public, civic gathering like the dawn service is precisely the right time to do a Welcome to Country.

For me it also depends how it's done. If the speaker is going to get up there and start using it as a platform to attack the public then it's out of place. It should be incredibly short without personal anecdotes that don't resonate with anyone else. They go on these long rants and then start adding tangents and people just want to get to the event they've intended to be at.

The trouble with dawn services is the risk it makes it about Aboriginal rights. The service isn't about that at all. Time and place.

Exactly. Time and place. Whether it’s done at Anzac ceremonies is debatable (many Indigenous people served in the military but the service isn’t about Indigenous rights; though you should never boo at a dawn service), but yeah why do we need a WTC when we open a website or in a work meeting?

I agree about anecdotes and stuff too. Just keep it short and simple, maybe in both the local Indigenous language and English. Make it about unity and welcoming, not about division and hostility.