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Football us life said:
Jews get blamed for or embroiled in everything these days.....

By the trendy studenty left, the neo-nazi numbskull right, the teal middle-class 'hipster' centrists...

Whenever something bad happens the anti-jewish fingers start to point!
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I wonder how many people remember that Sir John Monash was jewish. He has to be one of the greatest Australian's in history. Met Ned Kelly. Built the Swanston St Bridge. Fought in Gallipoli. Brilliant general and commander who revolutionised modern warfare and was hugely influential in the Allied Forces victory in WWI. Made the ANZACs an unbeatable machine. And a proud Jewish Australian.
 
Quicky said:
I wonder how many people remember that Sir John Monash was jewish. He has to be one of the greatest Australian's in history. Met Ned Kelly. Built the Swanston St Bridge. Fought in Gallipoli. Brilliant general and commander who revolutionised modern warfare and was hugely influential in the Allied Forces victory in WWI. Made the ANZACs an unbeatable machine. And a proud Jewish Australian.
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After much historical analysis reading and reflections I've always been in the opinion that Monash was one of the greatest military figures of the 20th century...

Not just in Australian terms but in a globally recognised military perspective. In fact I'm not alone in this either....

Winston Churchill is on record as saying that he personally held a deep, lifelong admiration for Monash’s military brilliance. Churchill once described the August 1918 offensive which Monash played a pivotal role in planning "the mightiest military conception and the most terrific onslaught which the annals of war record".....
 
Football us life said:
After much historical analysis reading and reflections I've always been in the opinion that Monash was one of the greatest military figures of the 20th century...

Not just in Australian terms but in a globally recognised military perspective. In fact I'm not alone in this either....

Winston Churchill is on record as saying that he personally held a deep, lifelong admiration for Monash’s military brilliance. Churchill once described the August 1918 offensive which Monash played a pivotal role in planning "the mightiest military conception and the most terrific onslaught which the annals of war record".....
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He undoubtedly was. Monash would be more reverred and recognised if he wasn't Australian, and probably if he wasn't also jewish.
 
Also my notion that everyone seemingly has in for Jews isn't so much about changing real life political ideologies but more story of how the online world reshapes the real one...

I very rarely hear anyone in real life make anti-jewish remarks but online it's almost ubiquitously the norm...
 
Football us life said:
I probably wouldn't have thought about it in the way of his Jewishness myself but I've never understood why Jews are disdained so much to be honest....
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At least during his life Monash constantly fought that discrimination. Rupert Murdochs dad, who was a war correspondent, ran a nasty campaign against his appointment as a general because he was jewish. Monash was so overwhelmingly competent and brilliant he succeeded against all the odds anyway.

I don't get it either but it would naive to think it doesn't exist.
 
Quicky said:
At least during his life Monash constantly fought that discrimination. Rupert Murdochs dad, who was a war correspondent, ran a nasty campaign against his appointment as a general because he was jewish. Monash was so overwhelmingly competent and brilliant he succeeded against all the odds anyway.

I don't get it either but it would naive to think it doesn't exist.
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Okay let's look at the legacies between Sir John Monash and Keith Murdoch..

They certainly highlight a sharp contrast in early 20th-century Australia - one of proven military genius, engineering innovation, and nation-building and the other of bold, influential journalism that shaped the Anzac myth but included a kind of controversial interference journalism that is driven partly by prejudice....

Controversial interference journalism that still endures today within the Murdoch media spectrum around the world....

Whereas Monash is regarded as one of the greatest Australians hugely admired by the likes of Winston Churchill and other world leaders of.that era, Keith Murdoch has a slightly tainted legacy that includes the failed effort to sideline a superior commander.....

To use a football parlance I'd say Monash.won that 4-1!
 
Football us life said:
Okay let's look at the legacies between Sir John Monash and Keith Murdoch..

They certainly highlight a sharp contrast in early 20th-century Australia - one of proven military genius, engineering innovation, and nation-building and the other of bold, influential journalism that shaped the Anzac myth but included a kind of controversial interference journalism that is driven partly by prejudice....

Controversial interference journalism that still endures today within the Murdoch media spectrum around the world....

Whereas Monash is regarded as one of the greatest Australians hugely admired by the likes of Winston Churchill and other world leaders of.that era, Keith Murdoch has a slightly tainted legacy that includes the failed effort to sideline a superior commander.....

To use a football parlance I'd say Monash.won that 4-1!
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Of course Chatgpt needs to be taken with a grain of salt but I was interested to see that it assessed the Monash Murdoch WW1 relationship as pragmatic and professional.

I think it overlooked the apparent campaign and dislike Murdoch had for Monash and Bean also had poor views but later acknowledged his brilliance. Also Bean and Monash were often in close contact.

I suppose a range of views during the pressure of the conflict are understandable but the anti Jewish sentiment of the times didn't help. Murdoch had his own opinions and preferences of the generalship. I'd be interested in hearing other views of Australian officers at the time how they also worked with Monash. Again the pressure and devastation of the conflict had numerous effects on people's capacities.

In Murdoch's defence he was very keen to help postal arrangements and other facilities for the soldiers. Perhaps the ANZACS mini series made Murdoch a too likeable character.

One wonders how things would've turned out had Murdoch beaten Bean in the official correspondent vote and had Monash not been appointed commander of the ANZAC corps.
 
Jetsfan said:
I agreed with the booing at welcome to country at an ANZAC service, and I hope it never happens again. Both
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I honestly felt sorry for the old gentleman at the Sydney service. The Melbourne one had fire in his eyes almost looking for a fight.
 
Jetsfan said:
I agreed with the booing at welcome to country at an ANZAC service, and I hope it never happens again. Both
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I'm interested to understand why you agree with the booing of the Welcome to Country? It's something I really struggle to understand, particularly during such a solemn ceremony as the dawn service.
 
Toebash said:
I'm interested to understand why you agree with the booing of the Welcome to Country? It's something I really struggle to understand, particularly during such a solemn ceremony as the dawn service.
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WTC shouldn't have been introduced to services. It's as simple as that. The booing also tarnishes the mood in what should be a solemn occasion.
 
JS96 said:
WTC has been oversaturated and we needn't be welcome or reminded of where we are every time we turn on the radio or attend an even or go on a bloody website.
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When do you think the Welcome to Country is appropriate then? Not trying to be a dick, just genuinely interested in the range of views that people might have on this.

I personally like the Welcome to Country, but I agree that it isn't appropriate all the time (in much the same way that I imagine most Kiwis like the haka but, again, there's a time and place for it and some of the bizarre occasions they seem to whip it out is a little bit cringe). In my view, a large, public, civic gathering like the dawn service is precisely the right time to do a Welcome to Country.
 
Toebash said:
When do you think the Welcome to Country is appropriate then? Not trying to be a dick, just genuinely interested in the range of views that people might have on this.

I personally like the Welcome to Country, but I agree that it isn't appropriate all the time (in much the same way that I imagine most Kiwis like the haka but, again, there's a time and place for it and some of the bizarre occasions they seem to whip it out is a little bit cringe). In my view, a large, public, civic gathering like the dawn service is precisely the right time to do a Welcome to Country.
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For me it also depends how it's done. If the speaker is going to get up there and start using it as a platform to attack the public then it's out of place. It should be incredibly short without personal anecdotes that don't resonate with anyone else. They go on these long rants and then start adding tangents and people just want to get to the event they've intended to be at.

The trouble with dawn services is the risk it makes it about Aboriginal rights. The service isn't about that at all. Time and place.
 
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