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Lol wait: 'Zionist' isn't interchangeable with 'Jewish' unless it is?!
So a 'Zionist' organisation can call themselves 'Jewish' but if I describe this 'Zionist' group as 'Jewish' I'm being 'antisemetic'.
The mental gymnastics you people perform is amazing.
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No. I have brown hair.
I'm aware Muslims and brown or black people get more racism but let's be honest: it's not as common as people make it out to be. I also have LGB friends who also confirm that anti-LGBT bigotry is not as common as people make it out to be.
Look at other countries around the world. We're one of if not the most multicultural/multilingual country in the world when it comes to immigrants. We're one of the most socially tolerant too. I know you predicted I would say this, but it's a key point: bigotry is far more common overseas. Some countries punishing being LGBT and LGBT people know this.
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No. It would be wrong if a non-Jewish Zionist organisation called themselves Jewish. The AIJAC name is whatever they want, they're a Jewish organisation, BUT, they cannot claim to represent all Jews. Like mate do you realise how diverse Jews are?
In the same vein the ACL can't claim to be representing all Christians because they only represent Christian fundamentalists. AIJAC only represents Zionist Jews. It's really not fair to describe all Jews as being part of a lobby.
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You are such a hateful person. I never once judged anyone by their race. But you just used an image that does and shows that anyone of colour is bad...
Work with about 200-220 Jaggera and Jugembeh people daily. Engage with the Elders community in both Brisbane and Logan. I'd like to know which ones you've me.
I mean, you literally proved the point I'm making with that last part.
What is the core issue in your mind? Moving the date won't fix all the issues, sure, but it's a bloody good start. Australia Day in it's current form has only been around since 1994. Invasion day has been around much longer than that. It would not hurt to change the date, and then start doing the work to fix the issues. I could argue the same about the right. All the causes on the right are about power and money, nothing to do with actually benefitting society and improving the problems that exist.
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To be fair as a kid in the late 90s and early 00s I remember in my parents house they had a dictionary from like 1987 which considered "Moslem" the standard spelling of "Muslim". Since then that has changed though, as "Muslim" is a more traditional transliteration of the Arabic word مسلم.
In French we say musulman(e) (without the e is masculine, with the e is feminine). In Italian it's musulmano/a (o is masculine, a is feminine). We transliterate words from non-English scripts differently (e.g Trump is just Trump obviously but Putin is Poutine in French; funnily enough putain is a French swear wors that means "whore" but putain de (or putain d' before a vowel) means "fucking" as an intensifier).
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Visited several regional towns and Aboriginal communities. Note these are more conservative than the city ones. There are literally still people out there who die at age 50 or who have never voted before or who are literally dirt poor living in slums but the government does nothing but propose some body in Canberra.
Mind you I initially I supported the Voice because I thought it would fix this stuff but then I saw what happened in WA and it started to change my mind. I heard about elders opposing it because they didn't think it would help either. Then I heard Lia Finocchiaro's take on it (not as an Indigenous person but as a Territorian) and she explained how it wouldn't help the Territory (the most Indigenous part of the country). So I made the decision after doing my own research and seeing what both cases had to offer and decided to vote No.
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Christ. Tomayto tomahto.
The knots you are tying yourself into.
I know how diverse jewish people are but when an organisation that runs around Australia, has offices in capital cities around Australia, flies poiliticians to Israel, donates to political parties of all persuasion, lobbies news organistations and conducts organised campaigns to instigate a royal commission, to get journalists banned and to to squash criticism of Israel and lobby against Palestinian interests with the word 'Jewish' in their title they're hardly doing themselves any favours are they?
(And by the way, you're OK with all of this?)
If they're allowed to call themselves 'Jewish' then why can't I refer to them as 'Jewish' or like I have been the 'Jewish lobby' without being called antisemitic?
Why don't they call themselves The Australian/Isreal & ZIONIST Affairs Council?
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You could refer to them by their factual name, AIJAC, rather than antisemitic dog whistles.Christ. Tomayto tomahto.
The knots you are tying yourself into.
I know how diverse jewish people are but when an organisation that runs around Australia, has offices in capital cities around Australia, flies poiliticians to Israel, donates to political parties of all persuasion, lobbies news organistations and conducts organised campaigns to instigate a royal commission, to get journalists banned and to to squash criticism of Israel and lobby against Palestinian interests with the word 'Jewish' in their title they're hardly doing themselves any favours are they?
(And by the way, you're OK with all of this?)
If they're allowed to call themselves 'Jewish' then why can't I refer to them as 'Jewish' or like I have been the 'Jewish lobby' without being called antisemitic?
Why don't they call themselves The Australian/Isreal & ZIONIST Affairs Council?
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What you have said in part 1 is exactly what the Voice aimed to bridge. Right now, there is no responsibility to support or care for those people. An enshrined voice means that the government cannot skirt that responsibility, and those people can present to the Government on what needs to be done and how.
87% of First Nations people were for the Voice. I'm not saying there were not First nations people who were against it, but I think 87% is a bigger margin. The main arguments I saw against it was that it would be special treatment, or that it was not good, but I never saw any credible alternative and definitely have not seen any work done by the LNP to want to fix the rights of First Nations people.
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Nothing says 87%. And I'm not saying the Coalition have fixed it either but I still traditionally prefer them over Labor based on other issues.
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Sorry, I got my numbers mixed up. 87% was for something else. This is the fact I'm looking at...
As for your last statement, that is where we fully disagree. There is not a single policy that the LNP have that I think they are better on. They can't even be in a collaborative coalition, how can we expect them to run the country. They are responsible for the shit GST, for the cost of living, for cuts to workers rights, and literally ran out of the Parliament during the sorry speech, and sports rort. They've a history of misogyny too. Just need to look their behaviour after the rape issue (forget her name), and even now with the Bondi attacks. One big hissy fit demanding action, then when Albo recalled Parliament, another hissy fit saying they don't want to.
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Ignoring the other complete bullshit, you do realise the GST was to replace state/territory taxes, right? It actually lowered taxes.
And Labor could've got rid of it and let the states and territories introduce their higher versions of the GST. But guess what? They didn't.
The rest is just shilling. Lies, but not really worth arguing with since shills don't change their mind. A politician could be a convicted criminal and still get votes from shills (look at Donald Trump).
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The replacement of state taxes was part of the mix not the reason. The reason for introducing the GST was to broaden the tax base and it replaced the federal sales tax on products because the sales tax only applied to goods. There were exemptions such as fresh food but not restaurant meals. Services which previously were not taxed such as accounting, engineering, etc. were now taxed but not education. Another selling point was that it was going to stop undeclared income by tradies who were paid in cash and no receipt - which failed as that still happens.
It did not lower taxes because the total revenues collected by the state and federal government was more or less revenue neutral. As the courts found the GST is a state tax collected by the federal government. Hence the elimination of a lot of state taxes. Although, now that is up in the air since the High Court found that the state governments could not collect monies from its citizens (the HC left a whole lot of things undefined in that split judgement - I am siding with the minority).
As the critics of the GST said at the time changing the mix would have a negative impact on those below the average wage which at the time was about 60% of the population.
The GST was further bastardised by Morrison when he changed the mix so that WA is guaranteed a floor of income. This is what is now breaking the bank as Josh Frydenburg & Morrison claimed that it would cost about $6B/yr and right now we are up too $80B/yr (IIRC).
The modifications done by Frydenburg & Morrison have been disastrous. And all for a handful of seats.