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Sharkman84 said:
No offence intended but that's just as disturbed as neo-Nazis.

The far-left & far-right are scum and have no place in Australia.
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the left label anyone associated with one nation far right.

so i guess your assuming 30% + of Australians are scum?
 
Sharkman84 said:
I've been called many things but a leftie is a new one.
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You missed my point.

Average hard working aussie, family, kids, traditional who want change, who don't like the current state of this country, who are siding with one nation are labelled far right extremists / scum (thats the logic of the left)
 
I've enjoyed seeing the Socceroos emerge in the mainstream narrative as an antidote to nationalist, right-wing populism. The Socceroos kind of expose language like "monocultural" and other code like "Australian values" for what it is - a desire for culture in which the establishment and white Australia deem what and who are acceptable.

It forced both Hanson and Taylor into word salads that tried to coopt the 'roos into their dog-whistle narrative or differentiate them as an exception to the rule. Both of which failed miserably, serving only to expose the ultimate untruth in their narrative. Australia has never been a monoculture, and Australian values are defined by Australians who come from the communities that produced our Socceroos; who are jealously proud of wearing that shirt.
 
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Interesting take, Punchanello. I sit on the other side of the One Nation narrative too but....

to be fair The Socceroos succeed precisely because they unite under one flag, one language, and shared rules and peculiarly that's exactly Hanson's 'monoculture': assimilation, not division.

Pretending Australia's never had a dominant culture actually ignores it's British legal roots, English tongue, and fair-go ethos that made integration work. Multicultural policy's failures (crime hotspots, parallel societies) aren't disproven by 11 guys on a pitch....

However the One Nation type of populism draws its strength from working-class battlers in the suburbs and regions whose cultural capital is built on AFL, rugby league, V8 utes, and straight-talk and not soccer’s cosmopolitanism, migrant-heavy vibe or it's hipster-esque fashionista image...

Hanson's point isn't erasing migrant stories per se, it's arguing successful teams (and societies) need a strong unifying culture, not fragmented ones.

Conclusion......The Socceroos are more 'monocultured' than critics admit. Diverse faces, sure but unified by one flag, one anthem, speaking English on the pitch and total commitment to representing Australia above all. That's not multiculturalism as policy, it's assimilation into a dominant national culture.
 
Football us life said:
Interesting take, Punchanello. I sit on the other side of the One Nation narrative too but....

to be fair The Socceroos succeed precisely because they unite under one flag, one language, and shared rules and peculiarly that's exactly Hanson's 'monoculture': assimilation, not division.

Pretending Australia's never had a dominant culture actually ignores it's British legal roots, English tongue, and fair-go ethos that made integration work. Multicultural policy's failures (crime hotspots, parallel societies) aren't disproven by 11 guys on a pitch....

However the One Nation type of populism draws its strength from working-class battlers in the suburbs and regions whose cultural capital is built on AFL, rugby league, V8 utes, and straight-talk and not soccer’s cosmopolitanism, migrant-heavy vibe or it's hipster-esque fashionista image...

Hanson's point isn't erasing migrant stories per se, it's arguing successful teams (and societies) need a strong unifying culture, not fragmented ones.

Conclusion......The Socceroos are more 'monocultured' than critics admit. Diverse faces, sure but unified by one flag, one anthem, speaking English on the pitch and total commitment to representing Australia above all. That's not multiculturalism as policy, it's assimilation into a dominant national culture.
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I think you'll find that Pauline's new found surge in assimilationist popularity is heavily supported by second and third generation migrants who, like every group of migrants before them , want to shut the door behind them on the way in.
 
Football us life said:
Interesting take, Punchanello. I sit on the other side of the One Nation narrative too but....

to be fair The Socceroos succeed precisely because they unite under one flag, one language, and shared rules and peculiarly that's exactly Hanson's 'monoculture': assimilation, not division.

Pretending Australia's never had a dominant culture actually ignores it's British legal roots, English tongue, and fair-go ethos that made integration work. Multicultural policy's failures (crime hotspots, parallel societies) aren't disproven by 11 guys on a pitch....

However the One Nation type of populism draws its strength from working-class battlers in the suburbs and regions whose cultural capital is built on AFL, rugby league, V8 utes, and straight-talk and not soccer’s cosmopolitanism, migrant-heavy vibe or it's hipster-esque fashionista image...

Hanson's point isn't erasing migrant stories per se, it's arguing successful teams (and societies) need a strong unifying culture, not fragmented ones.

Conclusion......The Socceroos are more 'monocultured' than critics admit. Diverse faces, sure but unified by one flag, one anthem, speaking English on the pitch and total commitment to representing Australia above all. That's not multiculturalism as policy, it's assimilation into a dominant national culture.
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I have differing views with yoi on things but you've totally nailed this one from way outside the box into the top corner, the crowd goes wild.
 
Football us life said:
Hanson's point isn't erasing migrant stories per se, it's arguing successful teams (and societies) need a strong unifying culture, not fragmented ones.
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But we do have one, and the Socceroos show that. What you mean, is a strong one defined by a section of society that see themselves as having the right to define identity in this country. That's called oligarchy or ethnocracy.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
I think you'll find that Pauline's new found surge in assimilationist popularity is heavily supported by second and third generation migrants who, like every group of migrants before them , want to shut the door behind them on the way in.
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Spot on. I do think Pauline's assimilationist surge is backed heavily by second and third generation migrants myself....

Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Vietnamese, Chinese Aussies who've integrated, succeeded, and now want the door managed, not flung open. Like every wave before them, they value the stable Australian culture they adopted.

The Socceroos embody that success: diverse origins, unified loyalty. It's not 'racist'
it's just human nature after you've climbed the ladder which most migration groups have.
 
Punchanello said:
But we do have one, and the Socceroos show that. What you mean, is a strong one defined by a section of society that see themselves as having the right to define identity in this country. That's called oligarchy or ethnocracy.
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Exactly right Pauline can like it or leave.. Australian culture IS its multiculturalism.. At EVERY level and strata of society. From the local Chinese take away to the Croatian Australian Soccer festival, Nestory iraunkunda's extended family getting together to watch his matches with other member of his migrant community to the Indian family freshly arrived down the street coming home from their weekend worship... The Australian flag, the national anthem and the common language unites us all, it doe NOT dominate our identity... at least not mine.
 
Football us life said:
Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Vietnamese, Chinese Aussies who've integrated, succeeded, and now want the door managed, not flung open. Like every wave before them, they value the stable Australian culture they adopted.
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I idea that that door has been flung open is a falsehood unless you are referring a bipartisan policy of non-discriminatory migration that ended the white Australia policy. There have not been significant changes to Australian migration policy in decades.
 
Football us life said:
Spot on. I do think Pauline's assimilationist surge is backed heavily by second and third generation migrants myself....

Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Vietnamese, Chinese Aussies who've integrated, succeeded, and now want the door managed, not flung open. Like every wave before them, they value the stable Australian culture they adopted.

The Socceroos embody that success: diverse origins, unified loyalty. It's not 'racist'
it's just human nature after you've climbed the ladder which most migration groups have.
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Maybe "racist" is harsh but its certainly not right... .
 
Football us life said:
Spot on. I do think Pauline's assimilationist surge is backed heavily by second and third generation migrants myself....

Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Vietnamese, Chinese Aussies who've integrated, succeeded, and now want the door managed, not flung open. Like every wave before them, they value the stable Australian culture they adopted.

The Socceroos embody that success: diverse origins, unified loyalty. It's not 'racist'
it's just human nature after you've climbed the ladder which most migration groups have.
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Oh and I am more than happy with the door being "managed"... Unchecked migration is an unmittigatted disaster... The narrative however has more of a xenophobic undertone than that here.
 
Punchanello said:
But we do have one, and the Socceroos show that. What you mean, is a strong one defined by a section of society that see themselves as having the right to define identity in this country. That's called oligarchy or ethnocracy.
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I'm not so sure....

The unifying culture isn't defined by 'a section' imposing ethnocracy, it's the evolved Australian one. The English language, rule of law, secular democracy, fair go individualism, and larrikin irreverence that inintially built Australia. The Socceroos succeed by embracing it, not importing parallel systems. Second-gen migrants get this. Calling shared national identity 'oligarchy' just dodges the real failure - when multiculturalism fragments loyalty instead of forging it....

So if the Socceroos prove multiculturalism works so beautifully, why do so many second and third-generation migrant communities (the ones who've actually lived it) poll strongly for stricter immigration and assimilation?

They're not rejecting their own stories here, they're protecting the successful Australian culture they rules. The suburbs sometimes show the cost when those rules weaken. Who's really defining identity here?
 
Football us life said:
I'm not so sure....

The unifying culture isn't defined by 'a section' imposing ethnocracy, it's the evolved Australian one. The English language, rule of law, secular democracy, fair go individualism, and larrikin irreverence that inintially built Australia. The Socceroos succeed by embracing it, not importing parallel systems. Second-gen migrants get this. Calling shared national identity 'oligarchy' just dodges the real failure - when multiculturalism fragments loyalty instead of forging it....

So if the Socceroos prove multiculturalism works so beautifully, why do so many second and third-generation migrant communities (the ones who've actually lived it) poll strongly for stricter immigration and assimilation?

They're not rejecting their own stories here, they're protecting the successful Australian culture they rules. The suburbs sometimes show the cost when those rules weaken. Who's really defining identity here?
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I beg to differ. Some of the staunchest anti-immigrationist stories Ive heard lately have been in really thick European accents by those on the way to the motherland for their summer hols paid for by the old age pension of wonderful Αυστραλια .
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Oh and I am more than happy with the door being "managed"... Unchecked migration is an unmittigatted disaster... The narrative however has more of a xenophobic undertone than that here.
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It's a very nuanced debate and the feeling amongst the "madding crowd" in Australia seems a volatile blend of deep economic exhaustion, an on-going housing affordabilty crisis, rising anti-establishment anger, and growing social anxiety.

Not for me though, I, generally speaking like immigration and tje integration, belonging and all that is a secondary issue for me.

I'm okay though there's no cost of living crisis in my house, a house which is fully paid off and some.

So it's easy for me to take the "I'm allright Jack" stance....
 
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