Australian Dual Nationals 🇦🇺🏳️

[JS96]

Posted 10 days ago FFS. This video was the straw that broke the camels back!

 

[Cunningstunt]

I can't read the article but if Rugari is quoting bad environment experiences in his article then I actually expect Rugari and Popovic to gloss over that the next time. That's Triantis's own perception at least.

You'd love to get some first hand accounts. Who knows what's gone on there? Pure speculation but maybe Irvine as captain felt he wasn't gelling. He got so much media time. Incredibly frustrating.

Whatever it is, Rugari or some of the journalists who spend significant time in camp know.

Maybe it's something, maybe it's Triantis whinging. But it won't get published because no one cares. The SMH dedicate very limited resources to football. There is finite inches available, and his article needs to capture a bigger audience than online football losers who care about this (myself included). Traditional media is dying and football media is dead. There aren't enough journalists to ask all these questions, and the game is worse off for it.

It also won't get asked about at a presser for the same reason. Even if real people did care (and they don't), even if something did happen other than Triantis's ego being bruised, Popa would never give anything away.

 

[hogie]

Pavlesic just signed in the 2nd Croatian tier I think. Good luck to him. The family influence certainly needs to be considered and respected here. These players have their own ideas and then a few get into their ear and it can all come to a head.

Triantis's situation is pretty simple. Very strong Greek influence (a good thing), succeeding in Europe, a Greek flag makes his value with UEFA clubs even higher and he can forgo long travel and have an international career amongst something he's familiar with.

That all makes sense, but it’s the timing that gives me pause. You really can’t overstate the kind of exposure a World Cup can provide for a player. For someone like Triantis—who might be heading out on another loan this season—the opportunity to feature in a World Cup next year would be a huge boost, putting him firmly in the shop window. Of course, if he ends up representing Greece at the tournament, then it’s clear he made the right decision. But with Greece far from guaranteed to qualify—and Triantis not yet a lock for selection—it makes this a pretty pivotal choice for him.

 

[JS96]

Whatever it is, Rugari or some of the journalists who spend significant time in camp know.

Maybe it's something, maybe it's Triantis whinging. But it won't get published because no one cares. The SMH dedicate very limited resources to football. There is finite inches available, and his article needs to capture a bigger audience than online football losers who care about this (myself included). Traditional media is dying and football media is dead. There aren't enough journalists to ask all these questions, and the game is worse off for it.

It also won't get asked about at a presser for the same reason. Even if real people did care (and they don't), even if something did happen other than Triantis's ego being bruised, Popa would never give anything away.

Just a decade ago there was the Ange grill brigade and they were right and smug at the same time. It's all dwindled down to a bunch of yes men and whether digital media pages on football even have the credentials or will get permission to attend a press conference is very unlikely.

 

[Kitwally]

He’s not going to make the Sunderland first team anyway, so even if Greece qualify, he won’t get picked.

 

[patjennings]

He’s not going to make the Sunderland first team anyway, so even if Greece qualify, he won’t get picked.

He won't be at Sutherland. Hibs wanted him but a MLS team, Derby and Blackburn are all looking at him.

 

[Alex M]

I'm genuinely curious about the timing of Triantis and Pavlešić's decisions. Neither is a guaranteed starter for Greece or Croatia at this stage, and it might have been wiser to wait and see how their careers develop before making a switch. As far as I understand, these changes are permanent — so even if they're uncapped over the next five years, there’s no going back. It’ll be interesting to track their progress, but like many others, I’m concerned this won’t be the last case. We could eventually see a strong Australian XI made up of players representing other nations.

There is one way to switch back and that is if they have never played at any level for the nation they switched to.

 

[Alex M]

I can't read the article but if Rugari is quoting bad environment experiences in his article then I actually expect Rugari and Popovic to gloss over that the next time. That's Triantis's own perception at least.

You'd love to get some first hand accounts. Who knows what's gone on there? Pure speculation but maybe Irvine as captain felt he wasn't gelling. He got so much media time. Incredibly frustrating.

"Meanwhile, Popovic’s policy of refusing to “sell” the Australian jersey to players eligible to represent other countries may have cost him another top talent in Sunderland’s Nectar Triantis, the former Central Coast Mariners star who has had his switch from Australia to Greece approved by FIFA. Triantis, 22, was called up by the Socceroos in March but was not used, and his negative experience in camp contributed to his decision, according to sources close to him."

This is the paragraph in Vince Rugari's article that refers to Triantis.

 

[onedaywinners...]

Vince if you read these forums, if you don't you should, then we're relying on you to put the hard word on Popa - especially now considering you've gone and written that article!

Do the right thing Vince!

 

[Alex M]

Vince if you read these forums, if you don't you should, then we're relying on you to put the hard word on Popa - especially now considering you've gone and written that article!

Do the right thing Vince!

Not sure if Vince is active on this forum but he is active on twitter and often replies to genuine questions there.

 

[SocceroosFan]

This in the SMH today seems to confirm his treatment camp was a turning point for Triantis.

“Triantis, 22, was called up by the Socceroos in March but was not used, and his negative experience in camp contributed to his decision, according to sources close to him.“

Pick up the phone, Popa: Socceroos could lose another rising star to Croatia

Adrian Segecic is hopeful his roaring start to life at Portsmouth will earn him a Socceroos call-up. If not, he wants Tony Popovic to know he has options.

www.smh.com.au

Congrats Poppa, just confirms what we already knew. Well played Muppet

 

[SocceroosFan]

Was just about to post the same article. Honestly I don't know how any could still be defending Popovic after reading that. Why the fuck would he have at the very least not reached out to say, you're doing great, we're watching you, keeping doing what you're doing and your time will come before long to join the group. Shows absolutely abysmal man management that this isn't happening. Regardless of WC qualification, if we lose Segecic following on from Triantis, he should be sacked. Segecic's form last season demanded selection, but as always Popovic moves slower than an iceberg until others start to take notice and he questions his allegiance.

Popovic's personal skills need a lot of work as demonstrated earlier this year. For fuck sake, Segacic better be in the squad against the Kiwis

 

[SocceroosFan]

Posted 10 days ago FFS. This video was the straw that broke the camels back!

Don't want to look at this stuff anymore. Are we sure that's it, there's no coming back for him? No loop hole for him to backflip on Greece if he's not picked?

 

[Alex M]

Don't want to look at this stuff anymore. Are we sure that's it, there's no coming back for him? No loop hole for him to backflip on Greece if he's not picked?

"5. A player that was: a) granted a change of association; and b) was not fielded in a match in any (official or unofficial) competition in any kind of football by the new association, may request a change of association back to his former association provided he continues to hold the nationality of such association"

The above is from the FIFA regulations article 9 on Change of Association.

My own view is that if he wanted to change back he has a lot of work to do. He should work on any potential international career with Greece, and we should move on and concentrate on players that want to play for Australia.

 

[Decentric]

The Olympic qualifying tournament? What a horrible one that was. I vaguely remember Segecic being thrown on to salvage something and maybe he whipped one shot. Can thank Vidmar for the shambles.

The team played well - apart from scoring goals.

I watched 5 lead up games when Aus banged the goals in.

In the tournament Brook, Mo Toure, Milanovic, et al, lost their scoring touch. It was a huge waste of a good Gen of newly trained underage footballers in the new system.

 

[Decentric]

I'm genuinely curious about the timing of Triantis and Pavlešić's decisions. Neither is a guaranteed starter for Greece or Croatia at this stage, and it might have been wiser to wait and see how their careers develop before making a switch. As far as I understand, these changes are permanent — so even if they're uncapped over the next five years, there’s no going back. It’ll be interesting to track their progress, but like many others, I’m concerned this won’t be the last case. We could eventually see a strong Australian XI made up of players representing other nations.

Not sure if I’ve seen you post before, Hogie.

Welcome to the forum!

 

[grazorblade]

 

[Somebloke]

Interesting in addition to those comments from Josip, that account posted the following today. Makes you wonder if a World Cup birth could be the temptation to get him across the line into green and gold. Hopefully. Poppa’s Cro connections can also work in our favour.

 

[Gul15]

Initially, I was scathing at Poppa for not giving Triantis a cap, and I still think some of his selections are questionable but on reflection, I’ve done a complete 180.
I now fully agree that you shouldn’t have to sell the Australian jersey. You’re either 100% committed or you’re not. If you’re not, then good luck for the future.
If you have a decent club career, you’re going to outlast more than three international coaches. If you’re ready to jump ship just because you missed one camp or didn’t start in a friendly, then maybe you don’t have the mental resilience for international football especially through the rigours of the Asian qualification process.
On a side note, we’ve gained far more than we’ve lost when it comes to dual nationals. The only one I can think of that we truly lost who came through all the junior ranks and had a decent career was Josip Simunic and we got the sweetest revenge on him in Germany 06.

 

[Pasquali]

Initially, I was scathing at Poppa for not giving Triantis a cap, and I still think some of his selections are questionable but on reflection, I’ve done a complete 180.
I now fully agree that you shouldn’t have to sell the Australian jersey. You’re either 100% committed or you’re not. If you’re not, then good luck for the future.
If you have a decent club career, you’re going to outlast more than three international coaches. If you’re ready to jump ship just because you missed one camp or didn’t start in a friendly, then maybe you don’t have the mental resilience for international football especially through the rigours of the Asian qualification process.
On a side note, we’ve gained far more than we’ve lost when it comes to dual nationals. The only one I can think of that we truly lost who came through all the junior ranks and had a decent career was Josip Simunic and we got the sweetest revenge on him in Germany 06.

I agree. Welcome to the forum btw