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[Lupi]

Few Celtic fans are not ex pro or semi-pro footballers, or trained coaches.

They tend to overlook many facets of performance criteria.

well that's a lie for starters, but I'm not interested in going down that discussion route

tell me, what's his level and what league will he succeed in this coming season?

 

[melbcityguy]

I'm hoping Loops will assimilate - eventually.

I'll hold out a bit longer before putting him on Ignore. Ostensibly, he is/was a business person. Shame he is wasting time on here he could be spending earning money for himself.

Why are you talking about him like his a dog being trained to be obedient?

 

[Lupi]

Why are you talking about him like his a dog being trained to be obedient?

grooming behaviour

 

[Decentric]

well that's a lie for starters, but I'm not interested in going down that discussion route

tell me, what's his level and what league will he succeed in this coming season?

It isn't a lie. Many fans who castigate players in general, struggle to see the the more subtle aspects of performance.

Delineate which criteria they use to evaluate players? How are Celtic fans infinitely superior in football knowledge to Aus fans when evaluating players?

It is very difficult to predict a player's success re Tilio. I don't watch the overseas leagues, unless they appear on Paramount. I've had a look at Scottish Cup games, Serie A Cup games and Wrexham v AL teams.

Some G and G posters use some good data to evaluate overseas leagues relative to each other. I'm still learning from those posters.

At a Melb Vic workshop I attended, Kevin M, JPM and the coaching staff, stated it was really difficult to determine how and why different players succeed at different phases of their careers.

 

[Decentric]

Why are you talking about him like his a dog being trained to be obedient?

RMIB once posted that he gave new posters on forums, who appeared to be overtly hostile initially, time to assimilate before judging.

It is a compelling point. I've noted changes in posting behaviour over time from some overtly hostile posters when they started. One Anarchy poster has made some really good contributions to G and G, and started some excellent threads with good topics of conversation in recent times.

Also, my offline demeanour is to try and get on well with everyone. I try online too. Off line in person, I'm involved in a lot of discussions with mates and political comrades, as to how and why some people are so hostile online compared to their face to face interaction? I'm also keen on meeting up with G and G posters off forum. I've met a few and it has always been a rewarding and interesting experience.

I'm hoping Loops will eventually engage constructively with G and G in topics of conversation - and look for common ground in some instances.

 

[Lupi]

It isn't a lie. Many fans who castigate players in general, struggle to see the the more subtle aspects of performance.

Delineate which criteria they use to evaluate players?

It is very difficult to predict a player's success re Tilio. I don't watch the overseas leagues, unless they appear on Paramount. I've had a look at Scottish Cup games, Serie A Cup games and Wrexham v AL teams.

Some G and G posters use some good data to evaluate overseas leagues relative to each other. I'm still learning from those posters.

At a Melb Vic workshop I attended, Kevin M, JPM and the coaching staff, stated it was really difficult to determine how and why different players succeed at different phases of their careers.

you assume things you know nothing about

there are plenty of Celtic fans that are interested in data analysis, one of the most popular fan channels is dedicated to this alone

however it doesn't take a data analysis expert to see when a player is so bad he's worse than a man down, but actually looks like he's helping the other team

 

[Decentric]

you assume things you know nothing about

there are plenty of Celtic fans that are interested in data analysis, one of the most popular fan channels is dedicated to this alone

however it doesn't take a data analysis expert to see when a player is so bad he's worse than a man down, but actually looks like he's helping the other team

Respectfully, I disagree.

List data analyses they use, and which football specific criteria they use?

One thing that a number of posters here, whose knowledge I respect, have stated there is an element of bullying from Scottish fans carried out towards Aus fans on Scottish forums.

 

[melbcityguy]

RMIB once posted that he gave new posters on forums, who appeared to be overtly hostile initially, time to assimilate before judging.

It is a compelling point. I've noted changes in posting behaviour over time from some overtly hostile posters when they started. One Anarchy poster has made some really good contributions to G and G, and started some excellent threads with good topics of conversation in recent times.

Also, my offline demeanour is to try and get on well with everyone. I try online too. Off line in person, I'm involved in a lot of discussions with mates and political comrades, as to how and why some people are so hostile online compared to their face to face interaction? I'm also keen on meeting up with G and G posters off forum. I've met a few and it has always been a rewarding and interesting experience.

I'm hoping Loops will eventually engage constructively with G and G in topics of conversation - and look for common ground in some instances.

I mean I get what you're saying but most people today aren't looking for common ground they want to get one over the other person. You wouldn't survive a day on reddit I'll tell you that. Real life I find people are talking to each other less interesting topic though

 

[Football us life]

At the 2014 WC, Stan Collymore claimed that English stakeholders in the know, considered that Australia is able to forge national team units, that are greater than the individuals that comprise the team, because of so many Aussies playing national underage team football using the same system. Plus they experience playing in Asia, in unfamiliar, sometimes tough conditions.

At the same time SC said English players often weren't released by clubs, or persuaded to knock back underage English selection. He also said they were often confused with differing training regimes and tactics at underage national level.

That was a while back though Decentric. English player development is one of the best in Europe right now. England won the 2017 U17 and U20 World Cups. England were UEFA U21 winners 2023 and 2025. They were also runners-up in the delayed full age Euro 2021 and again in 2024. Not to mention that England has players at clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund and several Serie A clubs.

Plus the English women's team has been Euro winners in 2021 and 2025.as.well as World Cup runners-up in 2023

Not perfect by any means but generally speaking England are doing fine in player development both technically and tactically.

 

[Lupi]

Respectfully, I disagree.

List data analyses they use, and which football specific criteria they use?

One thing that a number of posters here, whose knowledge I respect, have stated there is an element of bullying from Scottish fans carried out towards Aus fans on Scottish forums.

maybe because Aussie fans are clueless about the sport while trying to lecture them with their delusional takes

 

[Decentric]

That was a while back though Decentric. English player development is one of the best in Europe right now. England won the 2017 U17 and U20 World Cups. England were UEFA U21 winners 2023 and 2025. They were also runners-up in the delayed full age Euro 2021 and again in 2024. Not to mention that England has players at clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund and several Serie A clubs.

Plus the English women's team has been Euro winners in 2021 and 2025.as.well as World Cup runners-up in 2023

Not perfect by any means but generally speaking England are doing fine in player development both technically and tactically.

I did a lot of coach education in Aus 2007 -2014. I was in the Football Aus system.

All stakeholders from France, Germany, Netherlands and Spain, that we used to devise the Nat Curriculum in Aus, thought English coaching was rubbish - then.

We sometimes had videos from English Champ and League 1 coaches to illustrate terrible coaching practices.

From what I’ve seen and read lately, possibly due to Europ Continental coaches chasing the big money in England, the English teams may have improved out of sight. There is a lot of depth in quality.

 

[melbcityguy]

Middlesbrough injury update with mixed news on Riley McGree and Alex Bangura - Teesside Live https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport...ddlesbrough-injury-update-mixed-news-32143829

 

[Football us life]

I did a lot of coach education in Aus 2007 -2014. I was in the Football Aus system.

All stakeholders from France, Germany, Netherlands and Spain, that we used to devise the Nat Curriculum in Aus, thought English coaching was rubbish - then.

We sometimes had videos from English Champ and League 1 coaches to illustrate terrible coaching practices.

From what I’ve seen and read lately, possibly due to Europ Continental coaches chasing the big money in England, the English teams may have improved out of sight. There is a lot of depth in quality.

Yes there's been a massive cultural change in English football. Not just at the elite levels but across the whole league pyramid system and all the way down to grassroots coaching.

As you would know yourself it's not the likes of Pep, Jose and Jurgen who develop young football players. It starts at the foundation phase with the school PE teachers, childrens football coaches and through to organised youth levels and academies.....

By the time Pep or Jurgen get a young footballer they've probably had nearly a decade and a half of coaching.

 

[Decentric]

Yes there's been a massive cultural change in English football. Not just at the elite levels but across the whole league pyramid system and all the way down to grassroots coaching.

As you would know yourself it's not the likes of Pep, Jose and Jurgen who develop young football players. It starts at the foundation phase with the school PE teachers, childrens football coaches and through to organised youth levels and academies.....

By the time Pep or Jurgen get a young footballer they've probably had nearly a decade and a half of coaching.

One guy I knew coaching underage in England pro levels, who had been Assis National Coach of Thailand, claimed the prob in England was too many stakeholders thinking football ended at the English Channel!

Then a number said, ‘ if we are so good, why do we never win anything, at any level in international football?’

Since about a decade ago, England has done much better in underage and senior levels.

I’m the last 4 men’s World Cups/ Euro Champs under Southgate, I think the worst placing has been somewhere between 5th and 8th in Qatar, 2022 WC.

I think England seniors have come 2nd and 4th in last 2 Euro Champs and 3rd or 4th in Russian WC in 2018. That is very consistent.

They’ve also won or highly placed in underage WCs.

It may be the case that more Continental coaches are prescribing underage programs in English clubs?

Grazor has told me they have good instruction for kids’ football homework.

They do a lot in Japan - according to Tom Byer.

 

[Football us life]

One guy I knew coaching underage in England pro levels, who had been Assis National Coach of Thailand, claimed the prob in England was too many stakeholders thinking football ended at the English Channel!

Then a number said, ‘ if we are so good, why do we never win anything, at any level in international football?’

Since about a decade ago, England has done much better in underage and senior levels.

I’m the last 4 men’s World Cups/ Euro Champs under Southgate, I think the worst placing has been somewhere between 5th and 8th in Qatar, 2022 WC.

I think England seniors have come 2nd and 4th in last 2 Euro Champs and 3rd or 4th in Russian WC in 2018. That is very consistent.

They’ve also won or highly placed in underage WCs.

It may be the case that more Continental coaches are prescribing underage programs in English clubs?

Grazor has told me they have good instruction for kids’ football homework.

They do a lot in Japan - according to Tom Byer.

First team coaches and managers, regardless of their nationality tend not to prescribe under age programmes at clubs. Their remit is very much first team level and maybe the reserve team if there is one.

The under age training programmes are usually done by the technical director and his staff and are usually applied throughout the various age levels at a club or it's academy. Many clubs do employ people who are from Europe and many employ people who are British. I think it's lazy to attribute someone's coaching abilities and practices to their nationality. For example there's a guy on here who always blames Australian football current technical problems at the feet of the Dutch KNVB programmes, technical initiatives and Dutch coaches. That's nonsense.

When Dan Ashworth was the English Football Association's Technical Director he implemented many of the technical initiatives within the FA's various training programmes for under age national sides that led to successful U17 and U20 World Cup tournaments. Dan Ashwirth was not a continental appointment, he came to the FA from WBA.and was English.

 

[grazorblade]

That was a while back though Decentric. English player development is one of the best in Europe right now. England won the 2017 U17 and U20 World Cups. England were UEFA U21 winners 2023 and 2025. They were also runners-up in the delayed full age Euro 2021 and again in 2024. Not to mention that England has players at clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund and several Serie A clubs.

Plus the English women's team has been Euro winners in 2021 and 2025.as.well as World Cup runners-up in 2023

Not perfect by any means but generally speaking England are doing fine in player development both technically and tactically.

Id say english development has caught up 80-90 percent with the continent but they have a better pyramid structure with 4 pro leagues and a higher participation rate which more than makes up for the flaws

 

[Football us life]

Id say english development has caught up 80-90 percent with the continent but they have a better pyramid structure with 4 pro leagues and a higher participation rate which more than makes up for the flaws

That’s a very good point grazor about the depth of the professional infrastructure. Maybe 5 divisions if you're counting the top division of the National League.

 

[Lupi]

That’s a very good point grazor about the depth of the professional infrastructure. Maybe 5 divisions if you're counting the top division of the National League.

they've got nothing on the cutting edge hot bed of cultured football that is Hobart Tasmania though...

the Clairefontaine of the South

 

[SocceroosFan]

This forum is a study into the delusion of cults. When I provide an accurate report I'm shot down, called a liar and put on mass ignore.
When I provide the report you want to hear its accepted. I watched all of these games. I'm going to guess around 99% here who've commented haven't.

Celtic fans are considerably more educated on the game than A-league fans, so I would caution against 'pulling rank' on their judgement.

Dude no-one cares what you have to say, you've burnt your bridges by posting absolute shite non stop

 

[Lupi]

Dude no-one cares what you have to say, you've burnt your bridges by posting absolute shite non stop

another cult member steps forward chanting the mantra