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Guys, I very rarely reach for the Moderator hat - I think this is the second time.

This is a forum for fans of Australian football... people who only want the best for Australian football. That doesn't mean we want to dance around the Maypole with pixies and unicorns - criticism is fine (and anyone who's read my articles on 442, FTBL and the Roar will know I'm quick to criticise where it's warranted). Robust debate is always welcome.

Criticism is one thing. Deliberately trolling every thread, insulting members and taking delight in failure is not welcome.

If the forum gets to the point where people feel it necessary to put people on ignore then the forum loses its diversity and its appeal.

In all honesty, I don't get what possible pleasure anyone could get from the kind of inane trolling that has been happening recently, but it's reached its limit.

If any individual reckons it's OK to keep trolling, they should be aware that a ban is possible. If you read this and suspect I'm talking to you...

Why not take a month off and decide whether you actually have anything positive to contribute.
 
melbcityguy said:
I mean I get what you're saying but most people today aren't looking for common ground they want to get one over the other person. You wouldn't survive a day on reddit I'll tell you that. Real life I find people are talking to each other less interesting topic though
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Wow!

Iā€™d like to think most donā€™t post on football forums to try and get one over people, but to engage constructively.

I tend to learn from othersā€™ posts. Iā€™ve learned a lot about Aussies playing overseas in this thread from other G and G members posting. I appreciate the research theyā€™ve done and then sharing it.
 
Football us life said:
First team coaches and managers, regardless of their nationality tend not to prescribe under age programmes at clubs. Their remit is very much first team level and maybe the reserve team if there is one.

The under age training programmes are usually done by the technical director and his staff and are usually applied throughout the various age levels at a club or it's academy. Many clubs do employ people who are from Europe and many employ people who are British. I think it's lazy to attribute someone's coaching abilities and practices to their nationality. For example there's a guy on here who always blames Australian football current technical problems at the feet of the Dutch KNVB programmes, technical initiatives and Dutch coaches. That's nonsense.

When Dan Ashworth was the English Football Association's Technical Director he implemented many of the technical initiatives within the FA's various training programmes for under age national sides that led to successful U17 and U20 World Cup tournaments. Dan Ashwirth was not a continental appointment, he came to the FA from WBA.and was English.
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Good post, FUL!

Without wanting to digress, Dan Ashworth as FA Tech Dir, had low status amongst EPL coaches. I remember when Harry Rednkapp ridiculed him.

Conversely, in Aus we had Han Berger, who had the arrogance and confidence to dismiss any sceptics and naysayers, who may have used spurious rationale to discredit him.
 
Mr Cleansheets said:
Guys, I very rarely reach for the Moderator hat - I think this is the second time.

This is a forum for fans of Australian football... people who only want the best for Australian football. That doesn't mean we want to dance around the Maypole with pixies and unicorns - criticism is fine (and anyone who's read my articles on 442, FTBL and the Roar will know I'm quick to criticise where it's warranted). Robust debate is always welcome.

Criticism is one thing. Deliberately trolling every thread, insulting members and taking delight in failure is not welcome.

If the forum gets to the point where people feel it necessary to put people on ignore then the forum loses its diversity and its appeal.

In all honesty, I don't get what possible pleasure anyone could get from the kind of inane trolling that has been happening recently, but it's reached its limit.

If any individual reckons it's OK to keep trolling, they should be aware that a ban is possible. If you read this and suspect I'm talking to you...

Why not take a month off and decide whether you actually have anything positive to contribute.
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Well said, Mr C.

Maybe not a bad idea to PM a few trolls with a warning. Bans are the only language they understand.

Sadly, some congregate elsewhere boasting about trolling G and G.

Most posters rise above trolling, and engage constructively with the vast majority of other constructive posters on G and G.
 
Decentric said:
Good post, FUL!

Without wanting to digress, Dan Ashworth as FA Tech Dir, had low status amongst EPL coaches. I remember when Harry Rednkapp ridiculed him.

Conversely, in Aus we had Han Berger, who had the arrogance and confidence to dismiss any sceptics and naysayers, who may have used spurious rationale to discredit him.
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Confidence is a two edged sword. On the positive we transitioned to small sided games and deck football really quick compared a football nation like scotland who are also trying to change

The tradeoff was early it caused incredible division in an already divided community. Also a more vigorous debate might have fixed some of the issues

1) early versions underemphasized goal scoring by including shooting in the same category as passing and crossing. Early youth teams could dominate asia but couldnt shoot. This seems to have improved
2) apparently skills acquisition is starting too late according to tom byer (even ignoring the role of parents)
3) although you were taught variations of 433, indicating the material was probably fine, aloisi and my cohost were both told off for doing variations of 433 (even 4231). Even if the official curriculum is fine, this might be a consequence of an authoritarian rather than a consultative approach
4) hans underemphasized isolated training in contrast to some top academies that believe it is needed at times

I Suspect a lot of this could have been avoided with a different leadership style from hans and the fa
 
Decentric said:
Thanks for posting, MCG.

I wonder if McGree is one of those players who may benefit from a shorter season than the Championship, which has a long season?

In Socceroo stats, he has performed much better than I expected in 1v1s.
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Id love to see McGree in the Bundesliga .
He could get similar wages as he's on now and it's not as demanding and has the Xmass break.
 
Mr Cleansheets said:
Guys, I very rarely reach for the Moderator hat - I think this is the second time.

This is a forum for fans of Australian football... people who only want the best for Australian football. That doesn't mean we want to dance around the Maypole with pixies and unicorns - criticism is fine (and anyone who's read my articles on 442, FTBL and the Roar will know I'm quick to criticise where it's warranted). Robust debate is always welcome.

Criticism is one thing. Deliberately trolling every thread, insulting members and taking delight in failure is not welcome.

If the forum gets to the point where people feel it necessary to put people on ignore then the forum loses its diversity and its appeal.

In all honesty, I don't get what possible pleasure anyone could get from the kind of inane trolling that has been happening recently, but it's reached its limit.

If any individual reckons it's OK to keep trolling, they should be aware that a ban is possible. If you read this and suspect I'm talking to you...

Why not take a month off and decide whether you actually have anything positive to contribute.
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Lupi serves no purpose here. It's not discourse but rather trolling every thread, non football too. If someone makes a strong point he'll just reply with childish emojis.
 
So to the question, of the top of my head, it's:

2 EPL: Triantis and Kuol. They count as they're listed on the bloody fantasy site!

17 Championship: AMB, Glover, McGree, Silvera, Souttar, Elder, RBR, Matthews, Farrell, Triantis, Waddingham, Bennie, Pearman, Adamson, Burgess, Luongo, Irankunda

6 League 1: Baccus, Cahpman, Bilokapic, Robertson, Francois, Watts

3 League 2: Jones, Ogle, Hollman. Gilsenen registered as Irish. JRB released
 
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JS96 said:
So to the question, of the top of my head, it's:

2 EPL: Triantis and Kuol. They count as they're listen on the bloody fantasy site!

17 Championship: AMB, Glover, McGree, Silvera, Souttar, Elder, RBR, Matthews, Farrell, Triantis, Waddingham, Bennie, Pearman, Adamson, Burgess, Luongo, Irankunda

6 League 1: Baccus, Cahpman, Bilokapic, Robertson, Francois, Watts

3 League 2: Jones, Ogle, Hollman. Gilsenen registered as Irish. JRB released
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Interesting seeing Robertson in League 1, when you look at all those names above him in the Championship. Only 22 years old so still very young, but I do wonder if we may have collectively over-estimated just how good he is. I wonder if he might have over-estimated how good he is as well, in effectively deciding to turn down the Socceroos. Many were thinking of him as a long-term first 11 Socceroo for the next decade, but I'm starting to wonder. I think quite a few Aussies in his position are probably ahead of him right now.
 
verrelli said:
Interesting seeing Robertson in League 1, when you look at all those names above him in the Championship. Only 22 years old so still very young, but I do wonder if we may have collectively over-estimated just how good he is. I wonder if he might have over-estimated how good he is as well, in effectively deciding to turn down the Socceroos. Many were thinking of him as a long-term first 11 Socceroo for the next decade, but I'm starting to wonder. I think quite a few Aussies in his position are probably ahead of him right now.
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Tricky part is he may shine but also be tied down by poorer team mates around him in League 1. I think if we go back to last season he was a stand out for a poor Cardiff. Its interesting he's kept true to Cardiff as he surely had interest from Championship clubs.
 
Ryan done with his travelling and posted some training videos. He can kind of choose in that a club with a vacant keeper spot will gladly take him. Lorient links are there but we may be in for another surprise.
 
JS96 said:
Tricky part is he may shine but also be tied down by poorer team mates around him in League 1. I think if we go back to last season he was a stand out for a poor Cardiff. Its interesting he's kept true to Cardiff as he surely had interest from Championship clubs.
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Yup, good points. I would think that like anyone working their way up from lower league and building a career that if his form truly demanded it, he'd have concrete offers higher up to consider. I daresay many of us would have been disappointed at the idea that he'd be playing in League 1, if asked to predict his trajectory 2 years ago.
 
Regarding Robertson, two things: first not only did the forum overestimate his abilities but also himself and advisers, secondly would be what is in his head.

Basically four years ago he had potential and so did a lot of other players in his age group in England. Many have improved whilst others are like Robertson. It is one thing to be confident and those around you to tell you how good you are, and another one where you become overconfident and others just piss in your pocket.

Then there are things like attitude, ego and the ability to be a team player. The alarm bells started ringing when he started demonstrating that he wasn't overtly committed to the Socceroos after being selected. The forum were wondering whether it was Arnold and the Popa who weren't doing the right thing. The alternative is that the problem is him. If he was as good as he thinks he is why no EFL offers?
 
verrelli said:
Interesting seeing Robertson in League 1, when you look at all those names above him in the Championship. Only 22 years old so still very young, but I do wonder if we may have collectively over-estimated just how good he is. I wonder if he might have over-estimated how good he is as well, in effectively deciding to turn down the Socceroos. Many were thinking of him as a long-term first 11 Socceroo for the next decade, but I'm starting to wonder. I think quite a few Aussies in his position are probably ahead of him right now.
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Interesting point. Will be fascinated to see how he turns out.
 
verrelli said:
Interesting seeing Robertson in League 1, when you look at all those names above him in the Championship. Only 22 years old so still very young, but I do wonder if we may have collectively over-estimated just how good he is. I wonder if he might have over-estimated how good he is as well, in effectively deciding to turn down the Socceroos. Many were thinking of him as a long-term first 11 Socceroo for the next decade, but I'm starting to wonder. I think quite a few Aussies in his position are probably ahead of him right now.
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We overrated both Volpato and Robertson tbh.
 
verrelli said:
Yup, good points. I would think that like anyone working their way up from lower league and building a career that if his form truly demanded it, he'd have concrete offers higher up to consider. I daresay many of us would have been disappointed at the idea that he'd be playing in League 1, if asked to predict his trajectory 2 years ago.
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These guys need to maintain their professionalism. If they're truly that good then take the hit and prove it at a lower level. There are some that get babysat and bought by another club despite their tantrums and that's just asking for trouble. Kalvin Phillips and Jack Rodwell spring to mind.
 
Pasquali said:
We overrated both Volpato and Robertson tbh.
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Robertson is a funny one. Cardiff were so dire and torn amongst themselves that the infighting and coaching changes didn't see anything cohesive. Robertson performed really well when he was on the pitch and scored some good goals. I reckon if he came into the national team we'd be amazed at his skills. Compared to O'Neill and Irvine on the ball at least. Glad he's got time in his side.
 
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