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Frankly Speaking said:
I meant at 18
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I guessed as much. I do remember him making the squad and while that was well received I don't recall the clamour for him to be included as there was for Arzani and Kuol. Did he actually play?

Interestingly, there is no-one this time who springs to mind as a young tyro tearing the place apart and demanding inclusion (it would have been Segecic had he not discovered himself to be Croatian). Younis is probably closest but there's no way he excites everyone the way Arzani and Kuol did.
 
Mr Cleansheets said:
There was nothing like the hype for Burns as there was for Arzani and Kuol.
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I agree with that. Burns was budding but compared to the other two he was considered more of a prospect than being touted as nailed on to succeed.
 
Burns had a decent season at AEK and then never did any better than that. Like oar peaked very young but if he followed his expected trajectory for someone getting regular game time at the level that early should have been a much better player.

It's mysterious why this happens. In the end you need to have a lot of wunderkids to get a good generation. Probably 3-4 for every position for one to come good
 
grazorblade said:
Burns had a decent season at AEK and then never did any better than that. Like oar peaked very young but if he followed his expected trajectory for someone getting regular game time at the level that early should have been a much better player.

It's mysterious why this happens. In the end you need to have a lot of wunderkids to get a good generation. Probably 3-4 for every position for one to come good
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He played 26 games over 4 years but spent a season on loan elsewhere and scored 8 goals. Talk about the level perhaps but again it's going to bigger clubs where you suddenly become a small fish at a critical development stage. It's interesting when you compare it with Burgess's rise through the EFL, Elder too. They went places they could play all the time and developed as they were playing constantly.
 
JS96 said:
He played 26 games over 4 years but spent a season on loan elsewhere and scored 8 goals. Talk about the level perhaps but again it's going to bigger clubs where you suddenly become a small fish at a critical development stage. It's interesting when you compare it with Burgess's rise through the EFL, Elder too. They went places they could play all the time and developed as they were playing constantly.
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25 games in all competitions for AEK in 2010/2011 which looked super promising. Wasn't to be
 
grazorblade said:
Kuol has had a pretty good season to be honest with 2 games to go. Obviously he needs to start banging them in next season
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Minutes in all competitions this season total 11.5 matches. An upgrade on past seasons but still nowhere near enough. It may be Sparta Prague but this is where League One or Liga 3 has a lot more football on offer where the vast majority of the league is at a similar standard except for the big few in the Czech league.

I was surprised to see a few years bac how low the Czech leagues record transfer fee abroad was. It might have skyrocketed since then. I suppose a lot of Czech talents head abroad at a younger age like Hungary.
 
JS96 said:
Minutes in all competitions this season total 11.5 matches. An upgrade on past seasons but still nowhere near enough. It may be Sparta Prague but this is where League One or Liga 3 has a lot more football on offer where the vast majority of the league is at a similar standard except for the big few in the Czech league.

I was surprised to see a few years bac how low the Czech leagues record transfer fee abroad was. It might have skyrocketed since then. I suppose a lot of Czech talents head abroad at a younger age like Hungary.
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120 million euros in revenue last season with plenty going to big clubs
 
grazorblade said:
25 games in all competitions for AEK in 2010/2011 which looked super promising. Wasn't to be
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Maybe he was injured in the 11/12 season. 08/09 was an intro. 09/10 was a very good loan. Then he hit the straps and then had a next season dip which isn't uncommon.
 
JS96 said:
Minutes in all competitions this season total 11.5 matches. An upgrade on past seasons but still nowhere near enough. It may be Sparta Prague but this is where League One or Liga 3 has a lot more football on offer where the vast majority of the league is at a similar standard except for the big few in the Czech league.

I was surprised to see a few years bac how low the Czech leagues record transfer fee abroad was. It might have skyrocketed since then. I suppose a lot of Czech talents head abroad at a younger age like Hungary.
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He has gained momentum, hasn't he in the last two months (re minutes).
 
grazorblade said:
Burns had a decent season at AEK and then never did any better than that. Like oar peaked very young but if he followed his expected trajectory for someone getting regular game time at the level that early should have been a much better player.

It's mysterious why this happens. In the end you need to have a lot of wunderkids to get a good generation. Probably 3-4 for every position for one to come good
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Remember Panos Armenakos?

Panos Armenakas - Wikipedia

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socceroosmad said:
Remember Panos Armenakos?

Panos Armenakas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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gee we were desperate to hype anyone up back then

I think to be a wunderkid you need to dominate the a league by 21 (9+ goals a season for an attacking position, 13+ for a striker, more complicated for deeper positions) or get regular european football by 23 at a club that has an elo of at least 1400
 
JS96 said:
Had the Nike deal and all. Tidy sort of player when fit and healthy and got something of a career carved out but was more suited to Futsal that 11 a side.
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We have had a lot of trouble producing players that are tripple threats - mentally tough, athletically impressive and technically sound. To make the big 5 regularly you need all 3 and we have only produced 11ish players in our history that fulfil those categories (though I can't comment on socceroos playing before 1991 since I haven't watched games from the 80s)
 
grazorblade said:
We have had a lot of trouble producing players that are tripple threats - mentally tough, athletically impressive and technically sound. To make the big 5 regularly you need all 3 and we have only produced 11ish players in our history that fulfil those categories (though I can't comment on socceroos playing before 1991 since I haven't watched games from the 80s)
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It's guys like Culina and Wilkshire who get the job done. They kept their heads down and focused on business. Neither were considered the big names but they did plenty of good things at world cups of the back of steady club careers. Wilkshire's time in Russia shouldn't be overlooked.
 
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