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someguyjc said:
I've fought that battle many a time. It usually results in missing an entire half of the game in the process. I just settle for the phone and earbuds these days. I have a mate, whose daughter insists on watching on the main TV even though she has her own TV. My mate ends up watching football in his daughters room. Now that is a sad sight. A grown man sitting on an Elsa couch, surrounded by unicorns watching the A-League on a shitty Aldi TV.
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As someone with a 5 year old daughter I can sadly relate to this. TV in the home office is a life saver 😅
 
Song said:
If there is any doubt that the A-Leagues will lock in again with Paramount, and not Stan, one only needs to look at the SMH over the past few days. Despite the large crowd and wonderful spectacle, between two Sydney teams, there is not one article in the SMH about the Sydney Derby (so far as I can see online). Media.....
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The SMH have stated many times that the biggest reason for the lack of A-League coverage is because relatively few people read it.

They used to cover the A-League extensively when the late Mike Cockerill and Michael Lynch worked for Fairfax, but there's little commercial imperative for them to do so now, particularly as the SMH's owner, the Nine Network, holds TV broadcast rights to multiple rival sports (namely the NRL, Super Rugby, and Aus Open tennis).

I'm not saying I agree with Nine's stance... but that's pretty much why their newspaper don't provide much domestic coverage.
 
MikeTuckerman said:
The SMH have stated many times that the biggest reason for the lack of A-League coverage is because relatively few people read it.

They used to cover the A-League extensively when the late Mike Cockerill and Michael Lynch worked for Fairfax, but there's little commercial imperative for them to do so now, particularly as the SMH's owner, the Nine Network, holds TV broadcast rights to multiple rival sports (namely the NRL, Super Rugby, and Aus Open tennis).

I'm not saying I agree with Nine's stance... but that's pretty much why their newspaper don't provide much domestic coverage.
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So the SMH does not report news then.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Apparently one of the biggest newspapers in the country doesn't consider updates in the Australian national league of the world's most popular sport to be "news".
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From glancing at the Sydney Morning Herald sports section on its website they consider the Premier League to be more newsworthy than the A-Leagues as much of the football content is just EPL highlights with the odd Vince Rugari article on the state of ALW and the fallout from Stajcic getting the sack at Western Sydney Wanderers.
 
rebelliousfeminist974 said:
From glancing at the Sydney Morning Herald sports section on its website they consider the Premier League to be more newsworthy than the A-Leagues as much of the football content is just EPL highlights with the odd Vince Rugari article on the state of ALW and the fallout from Stajcic getting the sack at Western Sydney Wanderers.
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As stag said all negative they wouldn't wrote anything positive but I bet it'll change if an a league players goes straight to epl or Matilda's wins Asian cup
 
melbcityguy said:
As stag said all negative they wouldn't wrote anything positive but I bet it'll change if an a league players goes straight to epl or Matilda's wins Asian cup
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Even if we win the Asian Cup they won't talk about the future and next gen of the Matildas/Socceroos. Yet I'm sure they'd happily make a list of the best rugby league players under 18 or something.
 
melbcityguy said:
Aussies are bandwagoners as well.

Everyone is a tennis fan in January
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even that it was boring barring the semi's onwards.
Bandwagoners apply world over re big events, winter olympics coming up - nothing new there MCG.

I understand the mention till we have a player hitting headlines in a major league - how it goes pretty normal here when our game is behind the eggball codes.
Whilst Ange was in EPL he kept getting mentions for you'd hardly hear about Spurs otherwise :)
 
melbcityguy said:
Aussies are bandwagoners as well.

Everyone is a tennis fan in January
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I mean yeah but the Matildas and Socceroos still sell out crowds for friendlies and qualifiers at home. There's quite a large genuine fanbase as well as people with some interest (aka a lot of bandwagoners who don't have time to be regular followers.

Tennis meanwhile is apparently one of the most watched sports in the country, yet I barely know anyone who is an actual avid follower of tennis. Good fun to play but I can't say I watch it that much. I do watch the big matches (and matches with Aussie players) in Grand Slams though.

Racing (F1 and V8s) is apparently quite popular as well. I know people who are I guess avid racing fans but not in the way that we are avid football fans. Again probably another bandwagon sport like tennis or Olympic sports.
 
MikeTuckerman said:
The SMH have stated many times that the biggest reason for the lack of A-League coverage is because relatively few people read it.

They used to cover the A-League extensively when the late Mike Cockerill and Michael Lynch worked for Fairfax, but there's little commercial imperative for them to do so now, particularly as the SMH's owner, the Nine Network, holds TV broadcast rights to multiple rival sports (namely the NRL, Super Rugby, and Aus Open tennis).

I'm not saying I agree with Nine's stance... but that's pretty much why their newspaper don't provide much domestic coverage.
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The "relatively few people read it" excuse is such rubbish. Firstly, they do not provide the data to support such an assertion so I have no idea what "relatively few" means in terms of actual numbers or how that would compare to other topics / sports they cover more extensively. Secondly, if you do not run articles, or scarcely run articles, on a particular topic then it is axiomatic you will have low readership for the few articles you do run. Thirdly, newspapers are not limited to half a dozen articles per day. They are filled with articles that would have low readership (at least much lower than articles of the Sydney Derby would have got). Fourthly, the cost to run an article pre and post game is fairly trivial for Fairfax.

Fairfax choose not to cover the A-League because, in the context of sports media rights in Australia, it is direct competitor to Super Rugby (which it holds the rights to). It is just so disappointing this is the approach media take, rather than actual reporting and journalism.

In terms of the Sydney Derby - I can not think of any other sporting event in Australia that would draw a crowd of more than 30,000 and receive no coverage at all across multiple major newspapers in the city it is held.
 
Song said:
The "relatively few people read it" excuse is such rubbish. Firstly, they do not provide the data to support such an assertion so I have no idea what "relatively few" means in terms of actual numbers or how that would compare to other topics / sports they cover more extensively. Secondly, if you do not run articles, or scarcely run articles, on a particular topic then it is axiomatic you will have low readership for the few articles you do run. Thirdly, newspapers are not limited to half a dozen articles per day. They are filled with articles that would have low readership (at least much lower than articles of the Sydney Derby would have got). Fourthly, the cost to run an article pre and post game is fairly trivial for Fairfax.

Fairfax choose not to cover the A-League because, in the context of sports media rights in Australia, it is direct competitor to Super Rugby (which it holds the rights to). It is just so disappointing this is the approach media take, rather than actual reporting and journalism.

In terms of the Sydney Derby - I can not think of any other sporting event in Australia that would draw a crowd of more than 30,000 and receive no coverage at all across multiple major newspapers in the city it is held.
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Your final paragraph is an indictment on the allegedly newsworthiness of the whole sports section of the SMH.
 
Song said:
In terms of the Sydney Derby - I can not think of any other sporting event in Australia that would draw a crowd of more than 30,000 and receive no coverage at all across multiple major newspapers in the city it is held.
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I dare say it has a lot to do with the SMH’s singular dedicated football reporter currently being in Milan to cover the Winter Olympics.

But the visceral reaction to my post is instructive… because I think as A-League fans we’re all really good at shooting the messenger without always trying to dig beneath the surface to understand why things are the way they are.

But yes, the A-League being a rival to Super Rugby (and the tennis… which is on the same time as our football season) is precisely why Nine won’t see any commercial benefit in covering the A-Leagues.

And much as I hate to say it… newspapers are not a public service. They exist solely to make money, no matter what lofty ideals we might all have about The Fourth Estate.

I cancelled my SMH subscription when Dom Bossi left because it signalled to me that the paper had no intention of covering the A-Leagues.

That won’t change unless domestic football ends up on Stan.
 
Song said:
The "relatively few people read it" excuse is such rubbish. Firstly, they do not provide the data to support such an assertion so I have no idea what "relatively few" means in terms of actual numbers or how that would compare to other topics / sports they cover more extensively. Secondly, if you do not run articles, or scarcely run articles, on a particular topic then it is axiomatic you will have low readership for the few articles you do run. Thirdly, newspapers are not limited to half a dozen articles per day. They are filled with articles that would have low readership (at least much lower than articles of the Sydney Derby would have got). Fourthly, the cost to run an article pre and post game is fairly trivial for Fairfax.

Fairfax choose not to cover the A-League because, in the context of sports media rights in Australia, it is direct competitor to Super Rugby (which it holds the rights to). It is just so disappointing this is the approach media take, rather than actual reporting and journalism.

In terms of the Sydney Derby - I can not think of any other sporting event in Australia that would draw a crowd of more than 30,000 and receive no coverage at all across multiple major newspapers in the city it is held.
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100%. Funnily enough in Australia I probably know more A-League fans than Super Rugby fans lol. Do non-Kiwis/Islanders actually watch union other than internationals?
 
HonestSpursFan said:
100%. Funnily enough in Australia I probably know more A-League fans than Super Rugby fans lol. Do non-Kiwis/Islanders actually watch union other than internationals?
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thats pretty normal outlook when your invested in your game therefore your circle of friends are similar - like my circle of friends sure are not union or nrl devotees.
The only exception is when there is a another NT game no matter the code you do turn your head and wish for the Aussie win ala Wobbolies for eg - its the only time I'd give that game a look and if we won you say well done.

As for the SMH, it lost its mojo long ago - once RIP Cockerill passed football doesn't come up the radar barring the exception token bit of space they have no interest having nothing to do with it I accept that business is business as MT mentioned.

Its up to the game and its governance to lift its profile but thats governed by who they bed with in this day and age......
I do not care the numbers globally P+ has but its profile here just isn't with the more exposed ones therefore it sits behind the majors just like our game does behind the eggball codes and other major national events.
No point complaining - our game isn't going to get there with just the AL fellas, the sooner unity prevails is the only way I can see we become a force in Club numbers and competition expansion - sooner or later we look a better buy option by the broadcasters at real high triple 0 numbers hence better media coverage imo.
 
MikeTuckerman said:
I dare say it has a lot to do with the SMH’s singular dedicated football reporter currently being in Milan to cover the Winter Olympics.
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Surprised that the Sydney Morning Herald has just the one dedicated football reporter now covering winter sports but to be fair I think it's more profitable for them to be outsourcing their football content to Stan Sport so they can hawk subscriptions by filling the soccer section on the website with EPL highlights and not really having any actual long-form content.
 
The sad bit is if you took all the content that is relevant to people, Socceroos, Olyroos, Matildas, ALM, ALW, Australian Championship, NSL plus content from overseas there would be heaps on content that would be followed. I suppose that's what KeepUp was meant to be - but why rebuild something that could have been built on an existing app.

Without a subscription to paper, I get my news elsewhere, like most people these days, if I go to a cafe the only thing that interests me in any paper there is the football and the puzzles page.

Then compare lower level of any other sport. They play qualifiers for the US Open in Gosford. Who apart from family and friends attend club rugby, club cricket, the lower AFL comps in NSW or QLD. The lower NRL comps in the southern states.

Football supporters are tribal, but not only for their team but for their sport. Not all parts are relevant for everyone, but for a lot of people all the content would be read.
 
Two things first, in the Steve Rosich interview he says ratings are up year on year, and this in spite of very little promotion by 10.

Second and back to my theme of all games played at 7:30 local time on Saturday with the women's at 7:30 Friday night...A large part of the Apple / MLS reasoning was to create a media event hard to ignore.... further MLS research identified Football supporters as under 35 and not legacy media users and so by streaming they would connect with their biggest base.
 
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