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As I have said a million times, you have some of the cheapest top flight football in the world.

To compete with other sports we clash with, we need to undercut them. the BBL is $25 for GA. AFL is $27 for GA.

$39 for an away bay ticket for the derby this week. I am going because I am an AL sicko, but ticket sales for this game have been extraordinarily poor
 
To compete with other sports we clash with, we need to undercut them. the BBL is $25 for GA. AFL is $27 for GA.

$39 for an away bay ticket for the derby this week. I am going because I am an AL sicko, but ticket sales for this game have been extraordinarily poor

Maybe they need to rethink having the derby every year on the last Saturday before Christmas? Every year i always have some christmas related event on, im sure many are in the same boat.
 
To compete with other sports we clash with, we need to undercut them. the BBL is $25 for GA. AFL is $27 for GA.

$39 for an away bay ticket for the derby this week. I am going because I am an AL sicko, but ticket sales for this game have been extraordinarily poor

Unfortunately, the reason Cricket Australia and the AFL price their tickets that way is because they have significant broadcast deals.

Football just doesn't bring in anywhere near the same TV revenue, which is why the game's administrators try to squeeze every last dollar from existing fans.
 
Unfortunately, the reason Cricket Australia and the AFL price their tickets that way is because they have significant broadcast deals.

Football just doesn't bring in anywhere near the same TV revenue, which is why the game's administrators try to squeeze every last dollar from existing fans.
The A League has, unfortunately, been under capitalised since the competition began. Frank lowey must have known that. I have no idea how he actually thought it was going to work beyond wishful thinking that crowds would magically grow to fill the wildly oversized stadiums the clubs rented at exorbitant rates. The whole enterprise was champagne dreams on Kool-Aid money. The thing I don't understand about the Genesis of the A-League is that Frank Lowy could have capitalized the league via a sponsorship from Westfield. I can only assume that one factor that might have come into play here was the fact that he were already knew he was going to exit Westfield. I'd admire the work he did. the tragedy is that the under capitalisation of the competition meant that it was set up to fail in financial terms.
 
The A League has, unfortunately, been under capitalised since the competition began. Frank lowey must have known that. I have no idea how he actually thought it was going to work beyond wishful thinking that crowds would magically grow to fill the wildly oversized stadiums the clubs rented at exorbitant rates. The whole enterprise was champagne dreams on Kool-Aid money. The thing I don't understand about the Genesis of the A-League is that Frank Lowy could have capitalized the league via a sponsorship from Westfield. I can only assume that one factor that might have come into play here was the fact that he were already knew he was going to exit Westfield. I'd admire the work he did. the tragedy is that the under capitalisation of the competition meant that it was set up to fail in financial terms.
It is up to the clubs to be financially viable, they should be able to stand alone, with the FA only providing the TV and prize money. It works
no bother in Scotland with only a small population for over 150 years.
 
It is up to the clubs to be financially viable, they should be able to stand alone, with the FA only providing the TV and prize money. It works
no bother in Scotland with only a small population for over 150 years.
Problem here is that the model was broken from the beginning. Even when we look at MV who had excellent membership/crowd numbers year after year for a long time. They were recording profits every year, however it was the international transfer fees that were tipping them into the black. Take those away and they were in the red just like the rest of the league even with the 20k+ average attendances and 20k+ members. The transfer economy simply isn't up to scratch here. No 2nd div for those better players to transition into a professional career. No where near enough game minutes to get players to the level they need to be at to even be considered by international clubs. Also no prize money in the A-League, so not only is there no risk for performing poorly, there is little reward for doing well.
 
Problem here is that the model was broken from the beginning. Even when we look at MV who had excellent membership/crowd numbers year after year for a long time. They were recording profits every year, however it was the international transfer fees that were tipping them into the black. Take those away and they were in the red just like the rest of the league even with the 20k+ average attendances and 20k+ members. The transfer economy simply isn't up to scratch here. No 2nd div for those better players to transition into a professional career. No where near enough game minutes to get players to the level they need to be at to even be considered by international clubs. Also no prize money in the A-League, so not only is there no risk for performing poorly, there is little reward for doing well.
bang on !
Sutho - just moot comparing scotland you know we unique.
A franchise system only works as good as its Franchisor/owner of the model.
Clubs only get viable as long as its system provides the tools for the Franchisee to become viable in the first place, that also varies by franchise owner to owner how much they want to kick in their investment and work it.
I know many many Franchise systems in this country - most are basket case's and the Franchise HQ ends up buying back failed Franchisee's turning them into company outlets to survive and control and retain their footprint.
 
Unfortunately, the reason Cricket Australia and the AFL price their tickets that way is because they have significant broadcast deals.

Football just doesn't bring in anywhere near the same TV revenue, which is why the game's administrators try to squeeze every last dollar from existing fans.
Mike welcome glad you are still in Football
 
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Problem here is that the model was broken from the beginning. Even when we look at MV who had excellent membership/crowd numbers year after year for a long time. They were recording profits every year, however it was the international transfer fees that were tipping them into the black. Take those away and they were in the red just like the rest of the league even with the 20k+ average attendances and 20k+ members. The transfer economy simply isn't up to scratch here. No 2nd div for those better players to transition into a professional career. No where near enough game minutes to get players to the level they need to be at to even be considered by international clubs. Also no prize money in the A-League, so not only is there no risk for performing poorly, there is little reward for doing well.
The player trading model is what teams need to work on better, as that is clubs need to prosper. If we are a selling league, then so be it, as long as clubs are making money. In saying that, you don't buy football clubs if you want to make money, as owners the world over will attest to.
 
Unfortunately, the reason Cricket Australia and the AFL price their tickets that way is because they have significant broadcast deals.

Football just doesn't bring in anywhere near the same TV revenue, which is why the game's administrators try to squeeze every last dollar from existing fans.

Once you get people through the gate, you back the product and the active support to convert them into new fans

That is why getting 15,000 to a game at $20 per head will always be better than getting 10,000 at $30 per head.

You’re a good man Michael and I love what you do for the game, but I don’t think ripping off already converted AL sickos and pricing out new fans in an attempt to recoup losses is the answer going forward.

I went to MacArthur a few weeks ago and paid $35 for a ticket +bf. The derby this week is $39+bf for away active. One of the first things Steve Rosich should do as the new APL CEO is clamp down on ticket price gouging.
 
I don’t think it’s a particularly intelligent way to go about things either - but I’m not the Australian Professional Leagues, I merely write about what they do.

What I will say is that most fans appear to have only a very basic understanding of the economic forces at play.

Pricing every ticket at a point that doesn’t cover stadium rental costs (for things like security and food outlets) - without the guarantee of a significant uptick in attendance - will only put clubs even further in the red.

And they are already bleeding cash without a significant broadcast deal.

The reason Sydney FC demanded compensation from the NSW government for being turfed off Allianz Stadium is because the 50-100 fans who pay to be in the Tunnel Club (where the players walk through before and after the game) is a significant revenue-generator for the Sky Blues.
 
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Once you get people through the gate, you back the product and the active support to convert them into new fans

That is why getting 15,000 to a game at $20 per head will always be better than getting 10,000 at $30 per head.

You’re a good man Michael and I love what you do for the game, but I don’t think ripping off already converted AL sickos and pricing out new fans in an attempt to recoup losses is the answer going forward.

I went to MacArthur a few weeks ago and paid $35 for a ticket +bf. The derby this week is $39+bf for away active. One of the first things Steve Rosich should do as the new APL CEO is clamp down on ticket price gouging.
You can get GA for kids at some clubs for around $10 a game with membership, $20 a game for adults. Most clubs will also offer and early renewal discount as well. Away games will always cost more but really how much would it take for the NSW teams to add options for NSW away games to their packages (even add Canberra if they come in). The same for 2-3 Victorian teams.

The problem is the event goers turn up for the finals and then forget about it until the same time the following year.

For a minute let's pretend that the Socceroos have a great run at the World Cup. After the World Cup and well before the season starts have all the APL clubs ready to sell memberships. Then highlight the squad members (apart from Harry Souttar, Alessandro Circati, Cameron Burgess, Jackson Irvine and Alex Robertson). All the rest in my squad have played in the ALM though only one is currently there. Show them in their ALM colours then as Socceroos.

We are a development league - celebrate it.
 
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