A-League Men's 25/26 - Grand Final

[Robbos]

You know what i am talking about. These were the principals used by Liverpool in the seventies and eighties, when they were the best team in Europe.

Liverpool was the best team in Europe in the 80s, but that was nearly 40 years ago & football has evolved since then.

While the Klopp era was not as successful as the 80s era, the Paisely era sides was no match technically or tactically as the Klopp era.

 

[Sutherlandbear]

Liverpool was the best team in Europe in the 80s, but that was nearly 40 years ago & football has evolved since then.

While the Klopp era was not as successful as the 80s era, the Paisely era sides was no match technically or tactically as the Klopp era.

Yet, the teams that play forward more often are successful, in any era.

 

[Football us life]

Liverpool was the best team in Europe in the 80s, but that was nearly 40 years ago & football has evolved since then.

While the Klopp era was not as successful as the 80s era, the Paisely era sides was no match technically or tactically as the Klopp era.

Fair point, but it's a classic "apples vs oranges" debate we often get in football.....

Paisley's Liverpool were excellent for their time — disciplined, hard-working, great passers, strong in transitions, and very effective in European competition. They played a smart, functional style built on Bill Shankly's foundations. Players like Dalglish, Souness, Hansen, and Rush were world-class. But it was a different game: fewer foreign players, different fitness/medical standards, slower pace, and more physical/less technical overall.

Klopp's Liverpool were/are clearly superior in athleticism, pressing intensity, tactical flexibility, and technical execution under pressure.

That high-intensity, heavy-metal football required elite physical conditioning, coordinated pressing triggers, and players who could execute at breakneck speed (think Salah, Mané, Firmino, Van Dijk, Alisson, Fabinho). They played a much more complex, modern game with better data-driven preparation, set-pieces, and positional play.

Modern football just demands more from a technically and tactically viewpoint. A top team today would probably dismantle any 1970s-80s side on pure athleticism, speed, and tactical organisation alone — even accounting for era adjustments.

 

[erogenouszone]

Isn't Scribe from Christchurch?

In the song the dude talks about South Auckland.

However I'm an uncool Dad so I have two tenths of fuck all idea of where he is from to be fair.

 

[jimshady]

Sooooooooouth Canterburrrrrrrrrry I believe he says haha

 

[jimshady]

Thanks everyone, this thread was more entertaining than the game

 

[Robbos]

Fair point, but it's a classic "apples vs oranges" debate we often get in football.....

Paisley's Liverpool were excellent for their time — disciplined, hard-working, great passers, strong in transitions, and very effective in European competition. They played a smart, functional style built on Bill Shankly's foundations. Players like Dalglish, Souness, Hansen, and Rush were world-class. But it was a different game: fewer foreign players, different fitness/medical standards, slower pace, and more physical/less technical overall.

Klopp's Liverpool were/are clearly superior in athleticism, pressing intensity, tactical flexibility, and technical execution under pressure.

That high-intensity, heavy-metal football required elite physical conditioning, coordinated pressing triggers, and players who could execute at breakneck speed (think Salah, Mané, Firmino, Van Dijk, Alisson, Fabinho). They played a much more complex, modern game with better data-driven preparation, set-pieces, and positional play.

Modern football just demands more from a technically and tactically viewpoint. A top team today would probably dismantle any 1970s-80s side on pure athleticism, speed, and tactical organisation alone — even accounting for era adjustments.

I think you are saying what I'm saying, just in way more elaborate way.

I was no way degrading the Liverpool in the late 70s/80s, this was a great era that won 8 PLs & 4 champions league and that included being banned from Europe. They were magnificent.

 

[erogenouszone]

hanks everyone, this thread was more entertaining than the game

Basically why I reckon commentators tend to dribble shit completely unrelated for the football for half the match.

Sooooooooouth Canterburrrrrrrrrry I believe he says haha

I thought it South Auckland raise your arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrms !

 

[Robbos]

Yet, the teams that play forward more often are successful, in any era.

Playing forward may require the ball to be played backwards sometimes.

Playing forward for the sake of it, despite having little option & hoping for luck is not smart footballers, hence while defenders job is to clear, their jobs in modern football is also to start the next attack.

 

[erogenouszone]

Modern football just demands more from a technically and tactically viewpoint. A top team today would probably dismantle any 1970s-80s side on pure athleticism, speed, and tactical organisation alone — even accounting for era adjustments.

Yes this is the core of the modern game. No more chain smoking Socrates or Gazza or Best types unfortunately

 

[Sutherlandbear]

I think you are saying what I'm saying, just in way more elaborate way.

I was no way degrading the Liverpool in the late 70s/80s, this was a great era that won 8 PLs & 4 champions league and that included being banned from Europe. They were magnificent.

They never won PL's, it was the first division. Not everything is premier league, nor did they win any champions leagues, it was the European cup, where all participants were champions of their country.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I've been to Auckland a few times here and there and its aesthetics score high on natural integration and scenic variety (8/10 for that), but more average on cohesive urban beauty where it can feel a bit car-oriented and spread out, (5-6/10).

It's beautiful because of where it is, not always because of how it's built. If you value views, water, green space, and a bit of wildness over sleek city design, it's genuinely appealing.

Many spots are highly Instagrammable....

Instagrammable??? You lose 25 points for uttering such filth....

 

[Sutherlandbear]

Playing forward may require the ball to be played backwards sometimes.

Playing forward for the sake of it, despite having little option & hoping for luck is not smart footballers, hence while defenders job is to clear, their jobs in modern football is also to start the next attack.

Agree, but at the moment defenders are dominating the ball.

 

[Football us life]

I think you are saying what I'm saying, just in way more elaborate way.

I was no way degrading the Liverpool in the late 70s/80s, this was a great era that won 8 PLs & 4 champions league and that included being banned from Europe. They were magnificent.

Yeah, I didn't take your original point as degrading the Paisley/80s era, I saw it as a fair comparison on technical/tactical evolution across different footballing times.

But sometimes you just can't fairly compare eras. Football just evolves too much.

Could Klopp have won a European Cup with 1970s Nottingham Forest?

Probably not.

Could Brian Clough have won a Champions League with 2020s Liverpool?

Probably not.

 

[Football us life]

Instagrammable??? You lose 25 points for uttering such filth....

Instagrammable??? You lose 25 points for uttering such filth....

Haha, fair call. Let me redeem myself....


"Instagrammable" is the linguistic equivalent of putting a ring light on a perfectly good sunset, unnecessary, slightly desperate, and makes everyone within earshot want to fake their own death....

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Haha, fair call. Let me redeem myself....


"Instagrammable" is the linguistic equivalent of putting a ring light on a perfectly good sunset, unnecessary, slightly desperate, and makes everyone within earshot want to fake their own death....

"ring light"??? Jesus Christ dude... you're gonna start ending your posts with "don't forget to like and subscribe" soon.

 

[Robbos]

They never won PL's, it was the first division. Not everything is premier league, nor did they win any champions leagues, it was the European cup, where all participants were champions of their country.

Semantics

 

[Football us life]

"ring light"??? Jesus Christ dude... you're gonna start ending your posts with "don't forget to like and subscribe" soon.

It's her indoors fault....

Everywhere we go theres the relentless pursuit of perfect fucken photo...

You’re trying to enjoy a nice view from Mt Eden, Rangitoto in the background, the natural light doing its thing, and suddenly the director of photography pipes up.. “Can you move two steps left? No, my left. Hold on, the Sky Tower needs to be more centered. Tilt your head. No, not like that...”


Ring light in the backpack. Phone on burst mode. That little sigh when the clouds roll in and ruin her golden hour vision.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Semantics

hahahaha perfect.

 

[Robbos]

Yeah, I didn't take your original point as degrading the Paisley/80s era, I saw it as a fair comparison on technical/tactical evolution across different footballing times.

But sometimes you just can't fairly compare eras. Football just evolves too much.

Could Klopp have won a European Cup with 1970s Nottingham Forest?

Probably not.

Could Brian Clough have won a Champions League with 2020s Liverpool?

Probably not.

Cloughie, now there is a manager, One of his best quotes

'I wouldn't say I'm the best manager in the business, but I'd be in the top 1'.

He was ahead of his time, he played football with football on the ground.