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Kitwally said:
How many of them are paid? All?
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Good question. I'm not sure. Probably depends on the individual organisation structures. There could be some that are paid fixed fees, some that are on a per meeting fee and some that are unpaid volunteers. With the APL being a private company, there would almost certainly be fees paid to the board members. On the other hand, the PFA is a not-for-profit union so the structure and renumeration would likely be very different. Receiving some sort of fee is only one aspect of it. There would be expenses associated with simply holding a board meeting.
 
rebelliousfeminist974 said:
I think it would be more feasible for Capital Football to amalgamate with Football New South Wales instead of creating a new NPL South especially given the storied history of many NPL Victoria clubs and their reluctance to jump ship from their existing comp unless they're forced to do so.
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For solely at an NPL level? Would be much better to force Capital Football to expand their catchment area than amalgamate with either NSW or VIC.

They should - ideally - create a boundary/border system that accounts for what NPL is closest to the area (I've covered in another thread in detail below)

NicCarBel

Post in thread 'The Australian Championship 🇦🇺🏆'

NicCarBel said:
I might actually try and get something made up on Google Earth for how I personally think the best way to restructure this is in reality without changing too much. How?

Well, what I'll do is I'm get to set a pinpoint on the CBD of all 9 member federations:
  • NSW - Sydney
  • VIC - Melbourne
  • QLD - Brisbane
  • SA - Adelaide
  • WA - Perth
  • TAS - Hobart
  • NNSW - Newcastle
  • ACT - Canberra
  • NT - Darwin
Actually, I will be leaving Tas out of this, because Tas is pretty simple and just include any club from anywhere in the state.

But with the other 8, I'm going to extend a...
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IF there's a conference level though that is to cover multiple areas, then yes - NSW would be the best selection
 
Would love what many have suggested to come to pass... however don't hold your breath the state Feds won't vote themselves out of decision making processes.

Meaning we are kinda stuck with our current structures.

Another home truth is Cricket, AFL n NRL, produce between 25 to 30 adds per hour. In a two hour broadcast they will get at least 20 adds and up to 60.

Using the NRL as an example, 80 minute games goes for at best 85 minutes leaving 35 minutes for adds and a panel showing highlights, plus adds with every try on average 8 to 9 tries per game.

Assume Pannell show 10 minutes that leaves 25 minutes say 50 adds plus the 8 tries so 60 adds.

Football over two hours goes for about 97 minutes, leaving 23 minutes less say 7 minutes of the Pannell show so 16 minutes or 32 adds plus say 4 goals at best 36 adds, roughly half .

What all this means is have at best 50 percent of add space and the lowest viewership by a fair margin.

Add into the mix, travel, lack of media and often a hostile media.

However grand the systems being identified they structural are near impossible given where we are.

The key as suggested by the guy from Football360 is stability...

As I have discussed with MON, we cannot get perfect or close to it...so do we want perfect to get in the way of good with no chance of achieving perfect

But the idea of promotion only for the next 12 teams with the key being stability plus whatever is added to that IMO is workable and again IMO that makes it perfect given where we are.
 
NicCarBel said:
For solely at an NPL level? Would be much better to force Capital Football to expand their catchment area than amalgamate with either NSW or VIC.

They should - ideally - create a boundary/border system that accounts for what NPL is closest to the area (I've covered in another thread in detail below)

NicCarBel

Post in thread 'The Australian Championship 🇦🇺🏆'

NicCarBel said:
I might actually try and get something made up on Google Earth for how I personally think the best way to restructure this is in reality without changing too much. How?

Well, what I'll do is I'm get to set a pinpoint on the CBD of all 9 member federations:
  • NSW - Sydney
  • VIC - Melbourne
  • QLD - Brisbane
  • SA - Adelaide
  • WA - Perth
  • TAS - Hobart
  • NNSW - Newcastle
  • ACT - Canberra
  • NT - Darwin
Actually, I will be leaving Tas out of this, because Tas is pretty simple and just include any club from anywhere in the state.

But with the other 8, I'm going to extend a...
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  • Like

IF there's a conference level though that is to cover multiple areas, then yes - NSW would be the best selection
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Yeah if ACT include a wider area again (recompense Yoogali!!) then I wouldn't expect them to join an "East" conference as it would be too much travel. Likewise if Brisbane reintroduce their regional centres to NPL, that would be their own "North" conference.
 
HappyGuus said:
Yeah if ACT include a wider area again (recompense Yoogali!!) then I wouldn't expect them to join an "East" conference as it would be too much travel. Likewise if Brisbane reintroduce their regional centres to NPL, that would be their own "North" conference.
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Not sure if it would be too hard to do a single North QLD NPL. Might be worthwhile doing something like incorporating that Champions League thingy they have, and using that as a promotion mechanism to connect North to the rest of the pyramid.
 
NicCarBel said:
Not sure if it would be too hard to do a single North QLD NPL. Might be worthwhile doing something like incorporating that Champions League thingy they have, and using that as a promotion mechanism to connect North to the rest of the pyramid.
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Yeah that's exactly what I meant. Sorry, I didn't mean all of regional QLD would be at NPL level 😅
 
Midfielder said:
Would love what many have suggested to come to pass... however don't hold your breath the state Feds won't vote themselves out of decision making processes.

Meaning we are kinda stuck with our current structures.

Another home truth is Cricket, AFL n NRL, produce between 25 to 30 adds per hour. In a two hour broadcast they will get at least 20 adds and up to 60.

Using the NRL as an example, 80 minute games goes for at best 85 minutes leaving 35 minutes for adds and a panel showing highlights, plus adds with every try on average 8 to 9 tries per game.

Assume Pannell show 10 minutes that leaves 25 minutes say 50 adds plus the 8 tries so 60 adds.

Football over two hours goes for about 97 minutes, leaving 23 minutes less say 7 minutes of the Pannell show so 16 minutes or 32 adds plus say 4 goals at best 36 adds, roughly half .

What all this means is have at best 50 percent of add space and the lowest viewership by a fair margin.

Add into the mix, travel, lack of media and often a hostile media.

However grand the systems being identified they structural are near impossible given where we are.

The key as suggested by the guy from Football360 is stability...

As I have discussed with MON, we cannot get perfect or close to it...so do we want perfect to get in the way of good with no chance of achieving perfect

But the idea of promotion only for the next 12 teams with the key being stability plus whatever is added to that IMO is workable and again IMO that makes it perfect given where we are.
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This only happens for the FTA NRL games. No ads during play on the Fox coverage.
 
Midfielder said:
More from Football360.

It is a very long article and has a huge attachment which is their blueprint.

Worth a look

football360.com.au

Australian football is approaching a fork in the road. We present a 161-page blueprint for a bold new future

Could promotion and relegation work in the A-League? We explain the A1-A2 blueprint, its costs, expansion model and vision for Australian football.
football360.com.au football360.com.au
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If nothing else, at least the APL is now conceding (like the AAFC concluded what feels like a decade ago) that travel costs are not an impediment to pro/rel... :P

All they need to realise now is that clubs, many who have been around for 70-80 years, don't actually need to be "branded" as professional to survive nor do they need to make a profit. They just have to win football matches for their communities.
 
Midfielder said:
More from Football360.

It is a very long article and has a huge attachment which is their blueprint.

Worth a look

football360.com.au

Australian football is approaching a fork in the road. We present a 161-page blueprint for a bold new future

Could promotion and relegation work in the A-League? We explain the A1-A2 blueprint, its costs, expansion model and vision for Australian football.
football360.com.au football360.com.au
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Well done to Matt Windley for putting this out there (again). He encourages fans to discuss pros and cons of another attempt to get the game moving however we hear nothing from those in charge. I suppose it’s just heads in the sand as usual.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
If nothing else, at least the APL is now conceding (like the AAFC concluded what feels like a decade ago) that travel costs are not an impediment to pro/rel... :P

All they need to realise now is that clubs, many who have been around for 70-80 years, don't actually need to be "branded" as professional to survive nor do they need to make a profit. They just have to win football matches for their communities.
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The thing about profit is you have to be operating within your means. That's a big problem with the A-League, they are operating way beyond their means. Most clubs play in expensive oversized stadiums. TV grant money is a fraction of what it once was. Clubs lose players as free agents all the time because there is no transfer economy. Football Australia still owns all of the league and club IP's (except Melbourne City who must have bought theirs back). That means their could be licensing agreements in place and possibly profit share on merch sales still. The list goes on. The A-League is not setup to make money.
 
someguyjc said:
The thing about profit is you have to be operating within your means. That's a big problem with the A-League, they are operating way beyond their means. Most clubs play in expensive oversized stadiums. TV grant money is a fraction of what it once was. Clubs lose players as free agents all the time because there is no transfer economy. Football Australia still owns all of the league and club IP's (except Melbourne City who must have bought theirs back). That means their could be licensing agreements in place and possibly profit share on merch sales still. The list goes on. The A-League is not setup to make money.
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A big reason why expansion "by auction" is a such hit and miss scenario...
 
libelous said:
Well done to Matt Windley for putting this out there (again). He encourages fans to discuss pros and cons of another attempt to get the game moving however we hear nothing from those in charge. I suppose it’s just heads in the sand as usual.
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Exactly, the amount effort and detail to put something like this together. It would be amazing if the APL had even a fraction of this level of ambition.

Yet we hear nothing from those in charge, nothing to get excited about, nothing groundbreaking.... just silence.... and apathy.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
A big reason why expansion "by auction" is a such hit and miss scenario...
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I'm a little baffled by how they approach the auction. Why predetermined they want a league clubs in Canberra and Tasmania rather than just saying the highest bidder wins

Forget an auction being bad for football, it's a little like saying "only people in the third row can bid" and then wondering why you can't get a good bid
 
grazorblade said:
I'm a little baffled by how they approach the auction. Why predetermined they want a league clubs in Canberra and Tasmania rather than just saying the highest bidder wins

Forget an auction being bad for football, it's a little like saying "only people in the third row can bid" and then wondering why you can't get a good bid
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Exactly right.. My understanding is that its to do with geographic spread as requested by broadcasting agreements.. The protectionism around pro/rel certainly supports this.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Exactly right.. My understanding is that its to do with geographic spread as requested by broadcasting agreements.. The protectionism around pro/rel certainly supports this.
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If the anti p&r crowd are claiming that they are the cold blooded pragmatists it would help if they would act like cold blooded pragmatists and has an open auction rather than waiting a decade for someone willing to pay to plop a club in tasmania
 
grazorblade said:
If the anti p&r crowd are claiming that they are the cold blooded pragmatists it would help if they would act like cold blooded pragmatists and has an open auction rather than waiting a decade for someone willing to pay to plop a club in tasmania
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To be fair it IS a tough ask to have someone pay to set up a soccer club in Tasmania, especially someone not planning to live there or who even necessarily loves soccer.
 
grazorblade said:
I'm a little baffled by how they approach the auction. Why predetermined they want a league clubs in Canberra and Tasmania rather than just saying the highest bidder wins

Forget an auction being bad for football, it's a little like saying "only people in the third row can bid" and then wondering why you can't get a good bid
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Well it's about suitable locations for clubs first, not necessarily just the highest bidder like what gave us the Western United disaster.

It's a bit like the broadcast rights. It's not just about the highest bidder, you have to consider other factors like paywalls, promotion and added value, production costs etc.
 
HappyGuus said:
Well it's about suitable locations for clubs first, not necessarily just the highest bidder like what gave us the Western United disaster.

It's a bit like the broadcast rights. It's not just about the highest bidder, you have to consider other factors like paywalls, promotion and added value, production costs etc.
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How many times are they going to try to "fish where the fish are" before realising that the fish aren't real?.
 
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