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Midfielder said:
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Two things we need to start, again I ask refusing good because it's not perfect is never clever.

Second, as long as the model is open to all i

Don't agree ...the article heavily copies the Japanese model.

As I have posted elsewhere is wanting perfect getting in the way of good...

The article says develop a model...it does not say copy the existing A-League model...

What the Japanese model did was look at sustainability first and then added to it....

The model excludes no one and does not proscribe what's required other than sustainability...

Its equally true that not models in Europe are the same...

This model copies an existing Asian power house model and Japan is very often referred to as a country we should copy...

I love the idea and IMO it could work.... the issue is agreeing on a model
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Yes Mid I understand.
I’m just sick of it all getting no where - we hear nothing from anyone in higher places about a future no matter what and how.
Aus Cup is showing NPL Clubs can step up play good football being semi pro as said in 2026 - can’t believe we still have semi pro for eg a level below Pro.
Wish there was action behind the scenes.
 
We have silly situation where the aleague doesn’t start in October (mid October) whilst we have a very long off season you should see Andy Harper’s rant on talk sport earlier in the week.

We need more media standing up and not staying silent because the suits don’t seem to care about where the sport is going.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
It goes back further than that, and you know it.

The reason they used "Star Soccer" was due to the rising hooliganism at the time. They thought, rather stupidly at the time that it would help curb it!!
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Irrelevant and YOU know it. Call the game football or fitba or hoootenany hoofball for all I give a fuck, I still know what your talking about.
 
Midfielder said:
I assume you meant not perfect...

Alas my friend to many people think they know best and squabble over ???????!!!!!! actually who thinks they have the biggest appendage...

It was either you or someone suggested that we don't let the Football folk talk way to many suits from all sides thinking they have the biggest appendage... Get in the way...

Can guarantee if you got a Coastie a SM bloke, throw in a SFC fellow and some guys from local park teams they would get along and agree on most things.

We need to make a decent model...it also won't be perfect but if everyone can live with it...

Then anchor sustainability add what we can all live with and start it...
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We don't NEED a model Mid, 99% of the world's football leagues alread have one we can use... or at least a variation of... they ALL have some form of safe exit strategy for a club that doesn't perform both on and off the pitch... Here in Australia we just burn that club and its supporters for ever..

Sure clubs fold all around the world all the time too, but here it is almost expected of them.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
We don't NEED a model Mid, 99% of the world's football leagues alread have one we can use... or at least a variation of... they ALL have some form of safe exit strategy for a club that doesn't perform both on and off the pitch...
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True, but does the rest of the world have this many boards of directors running their sport. It's no wonder nothing ever changes. Just think about how many board meetings that happen. Think about how many of these people have to give their 2 cents. This is just the boards, then there are all the committees and sub-committees. I'm sure some of these people are genuinely good people with good intentions. I'm sure some of them are not. What I am sure of, is there are way too many of them.

Football Australia - Board of Directors
  • Anter Isaac (Chair)
  • Rachel Wiseman
  • Paul Bittar
  • Joseph Carrozzi
  • Angela Mentis
  • Stuart Corbishley
PFA - Executive Committee
  • Beau Busch
  • Jackson Irvine
  • Tameka Yallop
  • Francis Awaritefe
  • Elise Kellond-Knight
  • Mat Ryan
  • Jack Hingert
  • Clare Hunt
  • Andrew Redmayne
  • David Williams
  • Dylan Holmes
APL - Board of Directors
  • Stephen Conroy
  • Stephen Evans
  • Ebru Köksal
  • John Dovaston
  • Gino Marra
  • Rob Morrison
  • Simon Pearce
  • Kaz Patafta
Women’s Football Council - Leadership Group
  • Kelly Rourke (Chair)
  • Alyssar Narey
  • Erin Clout
  • Fran Sankey
  • Gabriela Garton
  • Jada Whyman
  • Elenna Niteros
  • Nikki Drost
  • Selina Holtze
  • Natalie Matich
Football Queensland - Board of Directors
  • Paula Robinson
  • Amy Chapman
  • Andrew Hoyling
  • Adam Leake
  • Nick-Malham
  • Marty Buttigieg
Football Northern NSW - Board of Directors
  • David Willoughby
  • Mike Parsons
  • Lauren Edwards
  • Lisa Evans
  • Paul Sandilands
  • Stephen Sneddon
Capital Football - Board of Directors
  • Sarah Baker-Goldsmith
  • Steve Rohan-Jones
  • Adrian King
  • Gary Vandeburgt
  • Jessica Meadley
  • Peter Maybury
Football NSW - Board of Directors
  • Gilbert Lorquet
  • Brett Mitchell
  • Steve Bond
  • Deborah Chapman
  • Strebre Delovski
  • Neil Gibson
  • Irene Hatzipetros
  • Ian Holmes
  • Kristina Travers
Football NT - Board of Directors
  • Jamie Monteith
  • Jati Wixted
  • Josh Smith
  • Thomas Newbery
  • Ash Dafter
  • Stephen Royes
  • Kobi Jennings
  • Samyak Sanghavi
Football Victoria - Board of Directors
  • Angela Williams
  • Yianni Zaparas
  • Steve Forbes
  • Carolyn Jackson
  • Elpis Korosidis
  • Elenna Niteros
  • Darren Yates
  • Peter Filopoulos
Football Tasmania - Board of Directors
  • Chris Brookwell
  • Taylor Rand
  • Archana Brammall
  • Muhammed Khan
  • Sara Sharif
  • Michael Kerschbaum
  • Ebony Altimira
  • Danielle Muller
Football SA - Board of Directors
  • Symoane Mercurio
  • Paul Centofanti
  • Anna Agostino
  • Bill Cagialis
  • Melissa Gilchrist
  • Nick Runjajic
  • Martin Small
Football WA - Board of Directors
  • Sherif Andrawes
  • Ivy Chen
  • Chris Harold
  • Richard Marshall
  • Annette Ellis
  • David Buckingham
  • Jade Concei
  • Nadia van Dommelen
Once they get qualified there will also be the Association of Australian Football Clubs Ltd and Football Coaches Australia Incorporated.
 
I've always thought the Brazilian state / federal model was a better fit / inspiration for the Australian professional league system, as opposed to the Japanese single entity model (underpinned by High School football).
 
here's the English FA board and down.....a general google search.
The Premier League is a private company limited by shares. Its shareholders are the 20 Member Clubs at any given time, and The FA, which holds a special share.

Governing Bodies and Major Leagues
  • Premier League: 5 board members (the Chair, 3 Independent Non-Executive Directors, and the Chief Executive). [1]
  • English Football League (EFL): 10 directors (6 divisional representatives from member clubs, 2 independent non-executive directors, an independent chair, and the CEO). [1]
  • The Football Association (FA): 10 directors (the Chair, the CEO, 2 non-executive directors from the national game, 2 from the professional game, and 4 independent non-executive directors
 
someguyjc said:
True, but does the rest of the world have this many boards of directors running their sport. It's no wonder nothing ever changes. Just think about how many board meetings that happen. Think about how many of these people have to give their 2 cents. This is just the boards, then there are all the committees and sub-committees. I'm sure some of these people are genuinely good people with good intentions. I'm sure some of them are not. What I am sure of, is there are way too many of them.

Football Australia - Board of Directors
  • Anter Isaac (Chair)
  • Rachel Wiseman
  • Paul Bittar
  • Joseph Carrozzi
  • Angela Mentis
  • Stuart Corbishley
PFA - Executive Committee
  • Beau Busch
  • Jackson Irvine
  • Tameka Yallop
  • Francis Awaritefe
  • Elise Kellond-Knight
  • Mat Ryan
  • Jack Hingert
  • Clare Hunt
  • Andrew Redmayne
  • David Williams
  • Dylan Holmes
APL - Board of Directors
  • Stephen Conroy
  • Stephen Evans
  • Ebru Köksal
  • John Dovaston
  • Gino Marra
  • Rob Morrison
  • Simon Pearce
  • Kaz Patafta
Women’s Football Council - Leadership Group
  • Kelly Rourke (Chair)
  • Alyssar Narey
  • Erin Clout
  • Fran Sankey
  • Gabriela Garton
  • Jada Whyman
  • Elenna Niteros
  • Nikki Drost
  • Selina Holtze
  • Natalie Matich
Football Queensland - Board of Directors
  • Paula Robinson
  • Amy Chapman
  • Andrew Hoyling
  • Adam Leake
  • Nick-Malham
  • Marty Buttigieg
Football Northern NSW - Board of Directors
  • David Willoughby
  • Mike Parsons
  • Lauren Edwards
  • Lisa Evans
  • Paul Sandilands
  • Stephen Sneddon
Capital Football - Board of Directors
  • Sarah Baker-Goldsmith
  • Steve Rohan-Jones
  • Adrian King
  • Gary Vandeburgt
  • Jessica Meadley
  • Peter Maybury
Football NSW - Board of Directors
  • Gilbert Lorquet
  • Brett Mitchell
  • Steve Bond
  • Deborah Chapman
  • Strebre Delovski
  • Neil Gibson
  • Irene Hatzipetros
  • Ian Holmes
  • Kristina Travers
Football NT - Board of Directors
  • Jamie Monteith
  • Jati Wixted
  • Josh Smith
  • Thomas Newbery
  • Ash Dafter
  • Stephen Royes
  • Kobi Jennings
  • Samyak Sanghavi
Football Victoria - Board of Directors
  • Angela Williams
  • Yianni Zaparas
  • Steve Forbes
  • Carolyn Jackson
  • Elpis Korosidis
  • Elenna Niteros
  • Darren Yates
  • Peter Filopoulos
Football Tasmania - Board of Directors
  • Chris Brookwell
  • Taylor Rand
  • Archana Brammall
  • Muhammed Khan
  • Sara Sharif
  • Michael Kerschbaum
  • Ebony Altimira
  • Danielle Muller
Football SA - Board of Directors
  • Symoane Mercurio
  • Paul Centofanti
  • Anna Agostino
  • Bill Cagialis
  • Melissa Gilchrist
  • Nick Runjajic
  • Martin Small
Football WA - Board of Directors
  • Sherif Andrawes
  • Ivy Chen
  • Chris Harold
  • Richard Marshall
  • Annette Ellis
  • David Buckingham
  • Jade Concei
  • Nadia van Dommelen
Once they get qualified there will also be the Association of Australian Football Clubs Ltd and Football Coaches Australia Incorporated.
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someguyfc, typical straylia.
Every State has run its own course no matter what for decades - how we have not aligned the States over the years staggers me, does not make sense..
Since we have become so over regulated adding countless more useless layers of more red tape.
Got no hope I reckon.
 
LFC said:
here's the English FA board and down.....a general google search.
The Premier League is a private company limited by shares. Its shareholders are the 20 Member Clubs at any given time, and The FA, which holds a special share.

Governing Bodies and Major Leagues
  • Premier League: 5 board members (the Chair, 3 Independent Non-Executive Directors, and the Chief Executive). [1]
  • English Football League (EFL): 10 directors (6 divisional representatives from member clubs, 2 independent non-executive directors, an independent chair, and the CEO). [1]
  • The Football Association (FA): 10 directors (the Chair, the CEO, 2 non-executive directors from the national game, 2 from the professional game, and 4 independent non-executive directors
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Let me get this straight. Are you saying that there is not separate entities with a separate boards for Football London, Football West Midlands, Football Yorkshire, etc? Surely that can't be correct. Are you suggesting that one association makes decisions for all of these regions?
 
someguyjc said:
Let me get this straight. Are you saying that there is not separate entities with a separate boards for Football London, Football West Midlands, Football Yorkshire, etc? Surely that can't be correct. Are you suggesting that one association makes decisions for all of these regions?
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It was a quick google as mentioned, obviously it was dumbed down and top leagues EPL/EFL - there was/is more links you'd have to sit down and read buckets loads of pdf's etc someguyfc that I couldn't be farked.
I didn't see any mention of breakdowns you mention when I glanced through my speed reading.
I tend to think they are under Counties (non league pyramid ?)
I saw this matter of interest - obviously a board would have to report to someone.

The Seven Tiers
    • Tier 1: Premier League (20 clubs, fully professional)
    • Tier 2: EFL Championship (24 clubs, professional)
    • Tier 3: EFL League One (24 clubs, professional)
    • Tier 4: EFL League Two (24 clubs, professional)
    • Tier 5: National League (24 clubs, elite semi-professional/professional)
    • Tier 6: National League North and National League South (parallel regional divisions, semi-professional)
    • Tier 7: Northern Premier League Premier Division, Southern League Premier Central, Southern League Premier South, and Isthmian League Premier Division (parallel regional divisions).
 
LFC said:
It was a quick google as mentioned, obviously it was dumbed down and top leagues EPL/EFL - there was/is more links you'd have to sit down and read buckets loads of pdf's etc someguyfc that I couldn't be farked.
I didn't see any mention of breakdowns you mention when I glanced through my speed reading.
I tend to think they are under Counties (non league pyramid ?)
I saw this matter of interest - obviously a board would have to report to someone.

The Seven Tiers
    • Tier 1: Premier League (20 clubs, fully professional)
    • Tier 2: EFL Championship (24 clubs, professional)
    • Tier 3: EFL League One (24 clubs, professional)
    • Tier 4: EFL League Two (24 clubs, professional)
    • Tier 5: National League (24 clubs, elite semi-professional/professional)
    • Tier 6: National League North and National League South (parallel regional divisions, semi-professional)
    • Tier 7: Northern Premier League Premier Division, Southern League Premier Central, Southern League Premier South, and Isthmian League Premier Division (parallel regional divisions).
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I was being sarcastic mate.
Trying to say of course there is one association making the decisions.
Having 120 people on boards and leadership groups here is completely insane.
 
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someguyjc said:
I was being sarcastic mate.
Trying to say of course there is one association making the decisions.
Having 120 people on boards and leadership groups here is completely insane.
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haha Thanks for clearing.
There is no doubt our little tin pot place its OTT to the max, insane it is.
 
someguyjc said:
True, but does the rest of the world have this many boards of directors running their sport. It's no wonder nothing ever changes. Just think about how many board meetings that happen. Think about how many of these people have to give their 2 cents. This is just the boards, then there are all the committees and sub-committees. I'm sure some of these people are genuinely good people with good intentions. I'm sure some of them are not. What I am sure of, is there are way too many of them.

Football Australia - Board of Directors
  • Anter Isaac (Chair)
  • Rachel Wiseman
  • Paul Bittar
  • Joseph Carrozzi
  • Angela Mentis
  • Stuart Corbishley
PFA - Executive Committee
  • Beau Busch
  • Jackson Irvine
  • Tameka Yallop
  • Francis Awaritefe
  • Elise Kellond-Knight
  • Mat Ryan
  • Jack Hingert
  • Clare Hunt
  • Andrew Redmayne
  • David Williams
  • Dylan Holmes
APL - Board of Directors
  • Stephen Conroy
  • Stephen Evans
  • Ebru Köksal
  • John Dovaston
  • Gino Marra
  • Rob Morrison
  • Simon Pearce
  • Kaz Patafta
Women’s Football Council - Leadership Group
  • Kelly Rourke (Chair)
  • Alyssar Narey
  • Erin Clout
  • Fran Sankey
  • Gabriela Garton
  • Jada Whyman
  • Elenna Niteros
  • Nikki Drost
  • Selina Holtze
  • Natalie Matich
Football Queensland - Board of Directors
  • Paula Robinson
  • Amy Chapman
  • Andrew Hoyling
  • Adam Leake
  • Nick-Malham
  • Marty Buttigieg
Football Northern NSW - Board of Directors
  • David Willoughby
  • Mike Parsons
  • Lauren Edwards
  • Lisa Evans
  • Paul Sandilands
  • Stephen Sneddon
Capital Football - Board of Directors
  • Sarah Baker-Goldsmith
  • Steve Rohan-Jones
  • Adrian King
  • Gary Vandeburgt
  • Jessica Meadley
  • Peter Maybury
Football NSW - Board of Directors
  • Gilbert Lorquet
  • Brett Mitchell
  • Steve Bond
  • Deborah Chapman
  • Strebre Delovski
  • Neil Gibson
  • Irene Hatzipetros
  • Ian Holmes
  • Kristina Travers
Football NT - Board of Directors
  • Jamie Monteith
  • Jati Wixted
  • Josh Smith
  • Thomas Newbery
  • Ash Dafter
  • Stephen Royes
  • Kobi Jennings
  • Samyak Sanghavi
Football Victoria - Board of Directors
  • Angela Williams
  • Yianni Zaparas
  • Steve Forbes
  • Carolyn Jackson
  • Elpis Korosidis
  • Elenna Niteros
  • Darren Yates
  • Peter Filopoulos
Football Tasmania - Board of Directors
  • Chris Brookwell
  • Taylor Rand
  • Archana Brammall
  • Muhammed Khan
  • Sara Sharif
  • Michael Kerschbaum
  • Ebony Altimira
  • Danielle Muller
Football SA - Board of Directors
  • Symoane Mercurio
  • Paul Centofanti
  • Anna Agostino
  • Bill Cagialis
  • Melissa Gilchrist
  • Nick Runjajic
  • Martin Small
Football WA - Board of Directors
  • Sherif Andrawes
  • Ivy Chen
  • Chris Harold
  • Richard Marshall
  • Annette Ellis
  • David Buckingham
  • Jade Concei
  • Nadia van Dommelen
Once they get qualified there will also be the Association of Australian Football Clubs Ltd and Football Coaches Australia Incorporated.
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Worth every dollar. :ROFLMAO:
 
jrvkfootball said:
I've always thought the Brazilian state / federal model was a better fit / inspiration for the Australian professional league system, as opposed to the Japanese single entity model (underpinned by High School football).
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How would u set it up here?
 
I’ll split this into short term and medium term.

Short term: 16 teams in A-League and 12 in NST (1 pro/rel spot between them), and the premiers of the 8 or 9 federations play off (group format the cheapest) for 1 promotion spot to NST (with 1 coming down). Keep it simple and affordable. NST clubs will need to be professional. NPL premiers not turning pro miss out on the promotion playoffs.

Medium term: 16 teams in A-League and NST (2 pro/rel between them), and top 2 from each federation enter the promotion playoffs (group format again, possibly with two group stages) for 2 spots going up to the pro NST (with 2 coming down). With 2 going up from NPL, you need 2 from each fed in the playoffs otherwise it’s unfair and lacks merit. I’ve been a fan of a coefficient for this, but that’s really punishing the present clubs for the poor performances of the past clubs in that fed. Again, any clubs not turning pro miss out on the promotion playoffs.

NPL teams promoted to NST will have their youth team inserted into the tier below NPL. This keeps pro/rel from screwing around with league numbers and teams shifting all the way down the pyramid. A-League can’t have youth teams in NST, and NST can’t have youth teams in NPL.

On a national third tier, I can’t see it being affordable. There would be even more Perth teams blowing out costs as well, it would probably turn out to be much more expensive than an NST. Just use the federation playoffs, it would be fair and roughly a quarter of the cost of a league. Perth teams is one of the biggest factors in costs. For example, a 12 team NST with a Perth club would cost about the same as a 15 team NST without them. So Perth is a large factor in the growth path of the NST and how many teams they want.

There’s also the idea of merging some federations to bring the eight tier-3 federations down to four or five, very much like NBL1 does. It would probably be a question for the federations… for example, would most of NPL Victoria like to see Devonport join them in a new “NPL South”, two federations going into one there.
 
HappyGuus said:
There’s also the idea of merging some federations to bring the eight tier-3 federations down to four or five, very much like NBL1 does. It would probably be a question for the federations… for example, would most of NPL Victoria like to see Devonport join them in a new “NPL South”, two federations going into one there.
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I think it would be more feasible for Capital Football to amalgamate with Football New South Wales instead of creating a new NPL South especially given the storied history of many NPL Victoria clubs and their reluctance to jump ship from their existing comp unless they're forced to do so.
 
rebelliousfeminist974 said:
I think it would be more feasible for Capital Football to amalgamate with Football New South Wales instead of creating a new NPL South especially given the storied history of many NPL Victoria clubs and their reluctance to jump ship from their existing comp unless they're forced to do so.
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That was just an example of a "South" conference that would be the cheapest, i.e. Tassie joining Vic. NPL South would just be NPL Vic with one or two Tassie sides. Very cheap.

"East " could be NSW, NNSW and ACT together; again very affordable.

But these aren't really my preference and would add more complexity that the feds wouldn't even want to entertain it. Just keep it simple with a group stage CL format acting as a pseudo third tier.
 
someguyjc said:
True, but does the rest of the world have this many boards of directors running their sport. It's no wonder nothing ever changes. Just think about how many board meetings that happen. Think about how many of these people have to give their 2 cents. This is just the boards, then there are all the committees and sub-committees. I'm sure some of these people are genuinely good people with good intentions. I'm sure some of them are not. What I am sure of, is there are way too many of them.

Football Australia - Board of Directors
  • Anter Isaac (Chair)
  • Rachel Wiseman
  • Paul Bittar
  • Joseph Carrozzi
  • Angela Mentis
  • Stuart Corbishley
PFA - Executive Committee
  • Beau Busch
  • Jackson Irvine
  • Tameka Yallop
  • Francis Awaritefe
  • Elise Kellond-Knight
  • Mat Ryan
  • Jack Hingert
  • Clare Hunt
  • Andrew Redmayne
  • David Williams
  • Dylan Holmes
APL - Board of Directors
  • Stephen Conroy
  • Stephen Evans
  • Ebru Köksal
  • John Dovaston
  • Gino Marra
  • Rob Morrison
  • Simon Pearce
  • Kaz Patafta
Women’s Football Council - Leadership Group
  • Kelly Rourke (Chair)
  • Alyssar Narey
  • Erin Clout
  • Fran Sankey
  • Gabriela Garton
  • Jada Whyman
  • Elenna Niteros
  • Nikki Drost
  • Selina Holtze
  • Natalie Matich
Football Queensland - Board of Directors
  • Paula Robinson
  • Amy Chapman
  • Andrew Hoyling
  • Adam Leake
  • Nick-Malham
  • Marty Buttigieg
Football Northern NSW - Board of Directors
  • David Willoughby
  • Mike Parsons
  • Lauren Edwards
  • Lisa Evans
  • Paul Sandilands
  • Stephen Sneddon
Capital Football - Board of Directors
  • Sarah Baker-Goldsmith
  • Steve Rohan-Jones
  • Adrian King
  • Gary Vandeburgt
  • Jessica Meadley
  • Peter Maybury
Football NSW - Board of Directors
  • Gilbert Lorquet
  • Brett Mitchell
  • Steve Bond
  • Deborah Chapman
  • Strebre Delovski
  • Neil Gibson
  • Irene Hatzipetros
  • Ian Holmes
  • Kristina Travers
Football NT - Board of Directors
  • Jamie Monteith
  • Jati Wixted
  • Josh Smith
  • Thomas Newbery
  • Ash Dafter
  • Stephen Royes
  • Kobi Jennings
  • Samyak Sanghavi
Football Victoria - Board of Directors
  • Angela Williams
  • Yianni Zaparas
  • Steve Forbes
  • Carolyn Jackson
  • Elpis Korosidis
  • Elenna Niteros
  • Darren Yates
  • Peter Filopoulos
Football Tasmania - Board of Directors
  • Chris Brookwell
  • Taylor Rand
  • Archana Brammall
  • Muhammed Khan
  • Sara Sharif
  • Michael Kerschbaum
  • Ebony Altimira
  • Danielle Muller
Football SA - Board of Directors
  • Symoane Mercurio
  • Paul Centofanti
  • Anna Agostino
  • Bill Cagialis
  • Melissa Gilchrist
  • Nick Runjajic
  • Martin Small
Football WA - Board of Directors
  • Sherif Andrawes
  • Ivy Chen
  • Chris Harold
  • Richard Marshall
  • Annette Ellis
  • David Buckingham
  • Jade Concei
  • Nadia van Dommelen
Once they get qualified there will also be the Association of Australian Football Clubs Ltd and Football Coaches Australia Incorporated.
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How many of them are paid? All?
 
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