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JS96 said:
Ha wow you got totally down voted.

The morons who think ANZAC day glorifies war don't listen to the words of the speeches at the ceremonies. The speeches are commemorative and solemn. The marches proceed through cities with gratitude from those watching.

If you want war glorification, go to defence company trade shows or join your local terror cell.
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Reddit's a total binfire full of green-haired deranged lunatic lefties and always has been.
 
tsf said:
Have you looked into these claims or this guy’s background?

This is like asking Isis to do an investigative report on Jews. Lmfao
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Why are you asking me for?

Take that up with Channel 7, they ran the story not me, I don't work for them.
 
Jetsfan said:
I think you are some greenie, give us your case for nuclear. Is there another colour for green/nuclear people, maybe burnt orange
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The bloke seems to be a bonafide greenie who'd seem to be right at home with the deranged lunatics on Reddit.
 
Toebash said:
When do you think the Welcome to Country is appropriate then? Not trying to be a dick, just genuinely interested in the range of views that people might have on this.

I personally like the Welcome to Country, but I agree that it isn't appropriate all the time (in much the same way that I imagine most Kiwis like the haka but, again, there's a time and place for it and some of the bizarre occasions they seem to whip it out is a little bit cringe). In my view, a large, public, civic gathering like the dawn service is precisely the right time to do a Welcome to Country.
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Putting aside the political side generally people don’t like or come to grips with change.
Normal trait and what where the change is introduced.
This has been a wild storm from the get go no diff to the Y/N vote.
It’s obvious a higher % of people don’t gravitate towards it worse it’s been over done.
Typically Gov schools over do it as well.
IMO it should be left and done in Canbra where it belongs.
Toebash you can introduce doing it at all your family important occasions for eg.
 
LFC said:
IMO it should be left and done in Canbra where it belongs.
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I fucking hate them

Well.. to be honest.. it’s the acknowledgment of of country I don’t like. We don’t need them in a meeting between my team at work, read out by my boss, in my team with no indigenous background ffs
 
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Football us life said:
After much historical analysis reading and reflections I've always been in the opinion that Monash was one of the greatest military figures of the 20th century...

Not just in Australian terms but in a globally recognised military perspective. In fact I'm not alone in this either....

Winston Churchill is on record as saying that he personally held a deep, lifelong admiration for Monash’s military brilliance. Churchill once described the August 1918 offensive which Monash played a pivotal role in planning "the mightiest military conception and the most terrific onslaught which the annals of war record".....
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Not sure the First Lord of the Admiralty who singlehandedly caused over 60 thousand deaths on the failed Gallipoli campaign would be qualified to recognise military brilliance.
 
Football us life said:
I probably wouldn't have thought about it in the way of his Jewishness myself but I've never understood why Jews are disdained so much to be honest....
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The book Why the Jews? The Reason for Antisemitism has a good answer. Basically Jews were a minority group in Christian and Muslim societies who had strained relations with their Jewish residents. They had antisemitic policies towards them and whenever something went wrong they could easily scapegoat Jews. Antisemitism has since been a thing for thousands of years and continues to this very day.
 
Toebash said:
When do you think the Welcome to Country is appropriate then? Not trying to be a dick, just genuinely interested in the range of views that people might have on this.

I personally like the Welcome to Country, but I agree that it isn't appropriate all the time (in much the same way that I imagine most Kiwis like the haka but, again, there's a time and place for it and some of the bizarre occasions they seem to whip it out is a little bit cringe). In my view, a large, public, civic gathering like the dawn service is precisely the right time to do a Welcome to Country.
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JS96 said:
For me it also depends how it's done. If the speaker is going to get up there and start using it as a platform to attack the public then it's out of place. It should be incredibly short without personal anecdotes that don't resonate with anyone else. They go on these long rants and then start adding tangents and people just want to get to the event they've intended to be at.

The trouble with dawn services is the risk it makes it about Aboriginal rights. The service isn't about that at all. Time and place.
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Exactly. Time and place. Whether it’s done at Anzac ceremonies is debatable (many Indigenous people served in the military but the service isn’t about Indigenous rights; though you should never boo at a dawn service), but yeah why do we need a WTC when we open a website or in a work meeting?

I agree about anecdotes and stuff too. Just keep it short and simple, maybe in both the local Indigenous language and English. Make it about unity and welcoming, not about division and hostility.
 
tsf said:
But mining magnate's who pay fuck all tax can speak at events and use it for a political/advertising platform :ROFLMAO:

www.theguardian.com

Gina Rinehart calls for immigrants’ social media to be screened in Anzac memorial speech

Mining magnate also claims children are being taught to be ashamed of the Australian flag in a speech to 4,000 people on the Sydney Opera House steps
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Untelevised remarks before the ceremony.

A quick glance shows she pays an immense amount of tax but avoidance rules should be tightened and it's undeniable that they'll do anything to minimise tax.
 
JS96 said:
For me it also depends how it's done. If the speaker is going to get up there and start using it as a platform to attack the public then it's out of place. It should be incredibly short without personal anecdotes that don't resonate with anyone else. They go on these long rants and then start adding tangents and people just want to get to the event they've intended to be at.

The trouble with dawn services is the risk it makes it about Aboriginal rights. The service isn't about that at all. Time and place.
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FUCK ME!!!

I went to a dawn service & heard the WTC (no issue with it), I thought & still do & even during the ceremony only thought it was about those who have served & lost their lives during wartime.

Not for one moment did I think it was about the Aboriginals rights. Some just want to create the divide.
 
Robbos said:
FUCK ME!!!

I went to a dawn service & heard the WTC (no issue with it), I thought & still do & even during the ceremony only thought it was about those who have served & lost their lives during wartime.

Not for one moment did I think it was about the Aboriginals rights. Some just want to create the divide.
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Good. Then it wasn't done with the speaker using it for their own agenda lecturing the public.
 
Robbos said:
FUCK ME!!!

I went to a dawn service & heard the WTC (no issue with it), I thought & still do & even during the ceremony only thought it was about those who have served & lost their lives during wartime.

Not for one moment did I think it was about the Aboriginals rights. Some just want to create the divide.
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Mmm, respect your pov.
We have the honour going to the Paddo barracks dawn service for years due to a couple of long time enlisted friends - its a wonderful experience up there with Canbra's.
Internally for many it is a mental challenge listed and unlisted people for as far as most are concerned our countries National Anthem is for ALL Australians - yellow black white pink you name it.
Listening to many varied people around for sometime - none are the type to make divide they are the good people who show respect/shutup and they respect ALL as Aussies within the flag they grew up with and fought for all colours and breeds living here.
What about these peoples feelings that keep quiet and there are plenty.
Seems its bugger them.
As some have said there is a time and a place I tend to agree with.
 
JS96 said:
Good. Then it wasn't done with the speaker using it for their own agenda lecturing the public.
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See maybe that the difference, I don't hear the WTC as someone lecturing me about an agenda. To me it is what it is, a 'welcome to country'.
I understand some don't like (yes I agree it's done too much), but in a important ceremony like the dawn service, I see no problem.
Now the question is why people don't like it? No one seems to have an issue with the haka.
That is the BIG question.
 
Robbos said:
See maybe that the difference, I don't hear the WTC as someone lecturing me about an agenda. To me it is what it is, a 'welcome to country'.
I understand some don't like (yes I agree it's done too much), but in a important ceremony like the dawn service, I see no problem.
Now the question is why people don't like it? No one seems to have an issue with the haka.
That is the BIG question.
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I would have thought , and I can't speak for New Zealanders(happy to be told Im wrong) but maybe the Haka is a heritage expression of the WHOLE of New Zealand. It is a fierce warrior expression of defiance. An NZ vs the World sort of thing that would resonate with all of the New Zealanders no matter where their parents are born or what their ethnicity is. You see NZ schoolboys, whiter than vanilla ice cream doing it, or Asian kids or whatever. Sure it is in the Maori language but it is an example of indigenous culture mixing with all the other cultures to create a unified front.

The WTC is explicitly a particular tribe of indigenous people welcoming everyone else onto "their land". Sure its done in fellowship but if you cannot see how this excludes EVERY other Australian (yes even you) that isnt part of that "mob" then either you don't want to see it or you dont care. Will my kids be able to host a "welcome to country", will yours? Why not?

Anyway, the people who booed at the shrine are the bigger arseholes in my view.. No class, no respect.
 
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