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Promotion and Relegation is vital for Football in Australia

Stu said:
Spot on! Essentially, the owners who ponied up early in the MLS now get to 'profit' from the new owners buying into the scheme. They have the population and (more importantly) the spread of population centres for this to be sustainable, assuming billionaires continue to use sporting franchises as badges of honour.

But we don't have that franchise culture here that has become so deeply ingrained over there. Teams need to be financially viable, not necessarily profitable, in that owners are contributing capital at a level they are happy with. It seems that since peak A-League around 2017/18 (and accelerated with COVID), many owners have been trying to cut costs to limit losses. Getting a $30 million injection every now and then is not a sustainable business model.
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but the exisitng Aleague model IS the only thing holding back pro/rel in this country.

THE ONLY THING HOLDING BACK PRO/REL IN THIS COUNTRY.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
but the exisitng Aleague model IS the only thing holding back pro/rel in this country.

THE ONLY THING HOLDING BACK PRO/REL IN THIS COUNTRY.
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100% agree. I think now, more so than any time prior, the A-League club owners recognise the model is flawed. They may well still be trapped in the sunk-cost fallacy, and see clubs being admitted to the league via promotion and not franchise fees as unfair. But ultimately, they're just guaranteeing themselves ongoing losses year after year.

The optimist in me thinks the owners recognise that supporting the progression to a proper footballing pyramid (with some grandfathered clauses in it to protect some of their interests/investment) can help drive stronger long-term interest in the league.
 
Stu said:
100% agree. I think now, more so than any time prior, the A-League club owners recognise the model is flawed. They may well still be trapped in the sunk-cost fallacy, and see clubs being admitted to the league via promotion and not franchise fees as unfair. But ultimately, they're just guaranteeing themselves ongoing losses year after year.

The optimist in me thinks the owners recognise that supporting the progression to a proper footballing pyramid (with some grandfathered clauses in it to protect some of their interests/investment) can help drive stronger long-term interest in the league.
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Stu I sincerely hope you are right but listening to Rugari doesn't give me ANY confidence that the APL is thinking this.... Nor that they will ever.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Stu I sincerely hope you are right but listening to Rugari doesn't give me ANY confidence that the APL is thinking this.... Nor that they will ever.
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I did say I was an optimist :LOL: I will have to watch the video with Rugari to perhaps temper my hopes.

Having said that, my thinking isn't they're agreeable to a full P&R system down to Victorian State League Division 5 West. More like a system that enables the teams that show they have the ambition and ability (both sporting and non-sporting) to sustainably compete at the national level to do so. I have a lengthy post drafted up on a system that I think could be agreeable to all the various stakeholder groups, that I will share soon. It's not the system I'd like to see implemented, but just one that I think works to satisfy the gatekeepers.
 
Stu said:
I did say I was an optimist :LOL: I will have to watch the video with Rugari to perhaps temper my hopes.

Having said that, my thinking isn't they're agreeable to a full P&R system down to Victorian State League Division 5 West. More like a system that enables the teams that show they have the ambition and ability (both sporting and non-sporting) to sustainably compete at the national level to do so. I have a lengthy post drafted up on a system that I think could be agreeable to all the various stakeholder groups, that I will share soon. It's not the system I'd like to see implemented, but just one that I think works to satisfy the gatekeepers.
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Sorry mate, in advance, Im a purist Im not interested in appeasing ANY gatekeepers.

I want EVERY club to have the ability to climb to the stars on merit.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Small correction he said "P&R is a solution to the problem of having too many PROFESSIONAL clubs" which must explain why P&R exists all throughout the known football universe.... the bloke is an AFL muppet, ...
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Indeed with the exception of england p and r to the top division predates professionalization of the top division in 12 countries i had a look at
 
HonestSpursFan said:
True but there’s way more money in the women’s game now.
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Last I’ve read or heard it was struggling g big time and women looking asking making a stand for better salaries also.
Please enlighten me if I’m mistaken
 
LFC said:
Last I’ve read or heard it was struggling g big time and women looking asking making a stand for better salaries also.
Please enlighten me if I’m mistaken
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I think it's a little of column a and a little of column b - but that's just me speculating
 
LFC said:
Last I’ve read or heard it was struggling g big time and women looking asking making a stand for better salaries also.
Please enlighten me if I’m mistaken
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It’s struggling because the league isn’t fully professional yet. The popularity is higher than ever.
 
New fan view engaging with some of the objections and giving some of the economics case
"Where would the money come from?" Answering the main objection to promotion relegation

Article '"Where would the money come from?" Answering the main objection to promotion relegation'

Football 360 recently made a mini documentary about the possibility of promotion relegation in Australia. In it Vince Rugari pours cold water on the idea asking, "where would the money come from?" https://football360.com.au/breaking-barriers-episode-one/ The question reminds me of discussing...
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HonestSpursFan said:
It’s struggling because the league isn’t fully professional yet. The popularity is higher than ever.
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Women’s game is popular no doubt but in regards to the W league they the registered local players families etc are not turning up to their games much.
The popularity is the Matilda’s.
Event goers in mass more than anything to me
 
HonestSpursFan said:
It’s struggling because the league isn’t fully professional yet. The popularity is higher than ever.
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Unfortunately it will continue to struggle for at least the next couple of years because the timeframe given by the PFA to have full-time professionalisation of the A-League Women by the start of next season is unsustainable and they won't be able to implement it until much later down the line.
 
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