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Alen Stajic speech on Australian football

erogenouszone said:
A while back I'd say you would have been silly to knock back that opportunity if it had been presented to you however with the administrative and financial idiocy of the APL, especially with their now ridiculous stunt to split from the FA, I would say to any non-franchise entity ( i.e a current standalone football club ) to tread very carefully before joining. That ship is very creaky.
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Im with you there.. at the time I was filthy, not so much in missing out as I still had misgivings about the "ownership" of the bid but the fact that its was considered by the invigilators as being economically viable and superior to the others, yet we missed out because of ...... well you all know what I think the reason was.

I DO count my lucky stars ever since though... as do most of the members I speak to. Although not all, we ARE all entitled to an opinion and despite the xenophobia of some on these threads, no not all South Melbourne fans think the same, or are even the same background, ethnicity.
 
RIMB said:
It is not the aleague that is the problem here - it is the mindset that excluded you and all the ethnic community identities from it in the first place. It is not you being asked to move on from the past - it is the administrators of the aleague that will have moved on from the past to invite and accept you in.

Simples ;)
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.. AND the mindset of those who perceive any "threat" to their ALeague as an existential threat to their vision of Australian society...
 
Sharkman84 said:
Again I'm not English you flog.

Born and bred in Australia and a third generation Australian now go fuck yourself and fuck the Hellas.
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What the matter guvna, did you go watch the wee lasses play football last night and couldn't get the leg over because they all saw through your pretend wokeness? Keep calm and have a Bovril.
 
Hellenic_blue&white said:
Get together how exactly? Bc the consenus when it comes from AL ppl remains one, that for the good of the game WE just give it all up and embrace your side and support it so it doesnt fail, quite ironic and a bit hypocritical isnt it given all the history?.. no other solution is ever floated or realistically raised. How is that making the game better in any way exactly? The exclusionist mentality you all ignore needs to be addressed if we are to ever get our house in order as a sport first and foremost, and unless it is this wiill continue on same path! You want unity its paramount that it appeases both sides otherwise it never will work.

Wouldnt it have been better for unity if the AL had the foresight to put all its 'experience' to help with the championship instead of again looking to kill.it off in every way possible? Or are you naive enough to tell me it didnt?

With all senserity can you tell me that all the AL problems would be fixed if Hellas etc no longer existed and does that fix the issues in our sport? Will that scenario mean that I and others then suddenly become an AL person and our code miraculously flourishes bc the weight holding it back was always those traditional clubs? All it does is kill of the sport quicker and any logical.peraon knows it!

in reality, perhaps the finger for your issues is better pointed at that pipedream of some mainstream Messiah you guys seem to still maintain such a hard on for?

From our perspective we always did and still do more for the game in this country than anyone.else, bc we are grass roots up!

Finally can someone legitimately answer: outside of p&r what would be my and others incentive to ever go to AL? Is it bc you tell me i need to move on feom the past? Will that get me into a seat pr will the desire to be able to be promoted to it? Without that, why wouldnt i just go to the AFL where im guaranteed to get a superior entertainment experience, i have the same non vested interests in both?

Can you tell me 'ALL those traditional clubs that failed miserably' as you stated during the NSL??? My recollection is of atleast 2 that ticked all the boxes (one numerous times) set but still didnt get in to your self proclaimed exclusive superior AL!

I pose that legitimately so lets get some actual answers/thoughts!
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Was the NSL a better competition than the Aleague?

No.

Despite its faults, the Aleague is a stronger competition than the NSL ever was.

And that is despite my team being an absolute flop during the Aleague ERA compared to NSL.
 
biggiemic said:
Was the NSL a better competition than the Aleague?

No.
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The NSL was assassinated by Lowy 21 years ago..

Was it a better competition than the Aleague in some way yes but in many many way absolutely NOT.
biggiemic said:
Despite its faults, the Aleague is a stronger competition than the NSL ever was.
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The Aleague is stronger in audience and demographic reach, there is no doubt.. What it gained in numbers from some segments of the population it lost from others

How else is it stronger though? Genuine question. Less teams, less geographical spread, more clubs going broke, less players developed and playing in top 5 leagues in Europe?

I dont see 2 decades of progress here, do you, honestly?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
The NSL was assassinated by Lowy 21 years ago..

Was it a better competition than the Aleague in some way yes but in many many way absolutely NOT.

The Aleague is stronger in audience and demographic reach, there is no doubt.. What it gained in numbers from some segments of the population it lost from others

How else is it stronger though? Genuine question. Less teams, less geographical spread, more clubs going broke, less players developed and playing in top 5 leagues in Europe?

I dont see 2 decades of progress here, do you, honestly?
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I didn't state any progress had been made, just that overall the competition is much stronger than the NSL ever was.

The Aleague is a full time professional league, a fair chunk of NSL players HAD to work second jobs. Glory hand picked the players they wanted as the other clubs couldn't afford the wages. Even the Greek God himself aka set piece specialist Con Boutsianis abandoned the Hellas ship as Glory offered more $$$ ;)

More clubs in the Aleague going broke is incorrect. The NSL either lost a team or had a team rebranded/recolacated nearly every season, I couldn't keep up. Teams came and went like no tomorrow. The Aleague has had the Fury, Gold Coast, Kingz (who nsl also had) and Western United fall over in 20 years. Eastern Pride, Gippsland Falcons, Carlton, Collingwood "Warriors", Northern Spirit, Sydney Olympic/Olympic Sharks, Parramatta "Power", Cosmos just to name a few of the top of my head in the last 90's alone.

Broadcast deal? Did the NSL even have one? I remember listening to away glory games via radio. Finals were maybe televised?

Geographical spead? I would say it was the exact same.

Less players developed and players in top 5 league I think there are valid reasons for this. Look at the names of the socceroos from the golden generation, they pretty much all from Eastern Europe. Migration has changed from europe, to Africa and Asia past 20 years. But also, global football landscaped has changed, Africa and in particular ASIA has seen massive growth the past 20 years.

The Aleague had 50 and even 60k attend regular season games in this country, even yourself must admit thats impressive? Unfortunately the suits screwed it up.

I don''t see any, let alone one component in which the NSL was stronger? Most NSL clubs were essentially semi-pro trying to operate in a proffessional environment but didn't have the capacity to do so. Glory was probably the only club that could have been viewed as "proffessional".
 
biggiemic said:
I didn't state any progress had been made, just that overall the competition is much stronger than the NSL ever was.

The Aleague is a full time professional league, a fair chunk of NSL players HAD to work second jobs. Glory hand picked the players they wanted as the other clubs couldn't afford the wages. Even the Greek God himself aka set piece specialist Con Boutsianis abandoned the Hellas ship as Glory offered more $$$ ;)

More clubs in the Aleague going broke is incorrect. The NSL either lost a team or had a team rebranded/recolacated nearly every season, I couldn't keep up. Teams came and went like no tomorrow. The Aleague has had the Fury, Gold Coast, Kingz (who nsl also had) and Western United fall over in 20 years. Eastern Pride, Gippsland Falcons, Carlton, Collingwood "Warriors", Northern Spirit, Sydney Olympic/Olympic Sharks, Parramatta "Power", Cosmos just to name a few of the top of my head in the last 90's alone.

Broadcast deal? Did the NSL even have one? I remember listening to away glory games via radio. Finals were maybe televised?

Geographical spead? I would say it was the exact same.

Less players developed and players in top 5 league I think there are valid reasons for this. Look at the names of the socceroos from the golden generation, they pretty much all from Eastern Europe. Migration has changed from europe, to Africa and Asia past 20 years. But also, global football landscaped has changed, Africa and in particular ASIA has seen massive growth the past 20 years.

The Aleague had 50 and even 60k attend regular season games in this country, even yourself must admit thats impressive? Unfortunately the suits screwed it up.

I don''t see any, let alone one component in which the NSL was stronger? Most NSL clubs were essentially semi-pro trying to operate in a proffessional environment but didn't have the capacity to do so. Glory was probably the only club that could have been viewed as "proffessional".
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Sorry mate, all I read is more money in the game which i have already agreed with you on. There is more money in the game GLOBALLY though that isnt just a result of the Aleague vs NSL. and yes the 50-60k crowds are massively impressive, again I agree... but THATS IT? .. Nothing else to show for 21 years of handing the top tier over to a new set of (as MCG likes to call them) suits?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Sorry mate, all I read is more money in the game which i have already agreed with you on. There is more money in the game GLOBALLY though that isnt just a result of the Aleague vs NSL. and yes the 50-60k crowds are massively impressive, again I agree... but THATS IT? .. Nothing else to show for 21 years of handing the top tier over to a new set of (as MCG likes to call them) suits?
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So you agree the A-league has overall been a better competition than the NSL?

No, I don't agree with the money. Like I mentioned, Perth Glory were the only "professional" club in the NSL. The other clubs were/are essentially community clubs trying to operate on a proffessional level but didn't/don't have the capacity to do so.

In the Aleague, the new "franchises/clubs" caught up to Glory.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
The NSL was assassinated by Lowy 21 years ago..

Was it a better competition than the Aleague in some way yes but in many many way absolutely NOT.

The Aleague is stronger in audience and demographic reach, there is no doubt.. What it gained in numbers from some segments of the population it lost from others

How else is it stronger though? Genuine question. Less teams, less geographical spread, more clubs going broke, less players developed and playing in top 5 leagues in Europe?

I dont see 2 decades of progress here, do you, honestly?
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Qualified for six straight world cup finals, is that no progress.
 
AUFC_Fan said:
Players being sold overseas, higher standard, fully professional, most mins for U21 players in any league. Definitely been a net positive overall
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I don't think the standard is higher. It was maybe 10-15 years ago, around the time when Brisbane was at its peak and WSW won the ACL, but now not so much. When looking at the current ladder, there is no team that I would consider play decent football on a consistant basis. Even the Sydney derby, whilst extremely exciting, thought the standard was poor. But obviously there are reasons for this.
 
biggiemic said:
So you agree the A-league has overall been a better competition than the NSL?

No, I don't agree with the money. Like I mentioned, Perth Glory were the only "professional" club in the NSL. The other clubs were/are essentially community clubs trying to operate on a proffessional level but didn't/don't have the capacity to do so.

In the Aleague, the new "franchises/clubs" caught up to Glory.
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Nope I dont agree that its a better competetion, just that it has more money spent on it... Glad the other franchises caught up with the Glory though. Bout time... hahahahaha
 
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