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grazorblade said:
Attendances of f8 clubs so far (first 4 rounds). Only worry is Sydney United

South Melbourne5110
Preston4771
Sydney United636
Avondale1731
APIA3623
Marconi1688
Wollongong2199
Sydney Olympic1386
Average of 2630
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We know su58 and olympic can and shouldve done better.
grazorblade said:
Other clubs

Metrostars1136
Broadmeadow857
South Hobart1348
Heidelberg1446
Canberra1191
Bayswater634
NSW Spirit723
Moreton City615
Average 994
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South hobart has impressed me as has metro and canberra on numbers. bergers typical crowd.
South hobart has long way to gets its on the park sorted but would be a great addition to h&a.. is metro the best SA has to offer for longterm ( on the park it seems to be). Bergers will also have to decide what they want to do moving forward, id ask same about canberra and whether there is a more seasoned option out of WA?
 
Glenardo said:
Some of these clubs have life members and club members etc etc which might not be part of the regular ticket count as well, something not really seen at a league clubs
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yeah wonder which one is more important for FA's metrics?
 
Hellenic_blue&white said:
We know su58 and olympic can and shouldve done better.

South hobart has impressed me as has metro and canberra on numbers. bergers typical crowd.
South hobart has long way to gets its on the park sorted but would be a great addition to h&a.. is metro the best SA has to offer for longterm ( on the park it seems to be). Bergers will also have to decide what they want to do moving forward, id ask same about canberra and whether there is a more seasoned option out of WA?
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I would expect a 2k boost from promotion to the A league, so realistically any club that is getting 1k average could probably do it given Macarthur seem to be surviving on a 3k average
 
A home and away season will do better provided the scheduling is alligned with how the A league is scheduled. No 1pm games, a very small amount of 3pm early on and then everything pretty much has to be twilight or evening from December onwards. Its also pretty easy to avoid same city clashes between the 2 comps. We saw Melbourne easily achieve that this weekend.
 
Something which may or may not be a factor but is often forgotten re attendances at Melb clubs v sydney clubs is the relative health of the local A league clubs

The reputation and support for Melb a league clubs has really dropped off in the past 5-10 years and has coincided with a rise in attendances at traditional clubs.

Each city/state is its own distinct market re the a league and the perception of the comp varies from city to city. Imo the league hasn’t suffered as much reputational damage in Sydney or Adelaide as it has in Melb for example. it’s not as it was at its peak but it’s still ticking along fairly decently here. Without necessarily getting into the reasons for why that’s the case

So don’t forget you’re competing with Sydney fc and wanderers who get decent support, and then you’ve got, Marconi, APIA, Sydney Olympic, Sydney united..and macathur too (if they don’t end up folding). So 7 clubs playing at a national level simultaneously, that’s a lot of competition for fans and when you put them all together a fairly decent cumulative number of people attending and supporting local clubs in comparison to other cities
 
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Glenardo said:
Something which may or may not be a factor but is often forgotten re attendances at Melb clubs v sydney clubs is the relative health of the local A league clubs

The reputation and support for Melb a league clubs has really dropped off in the past 5-10 years and has coincided with a rise in attendances at traditional clubs.

Each city/state is its own distinct market re the a league and the perception of the comp varies from city to city. Imo the league hasn’t suffered as much reputational damage in Sydney or Adelaide as it has in Melb for example. it’s not as it was at its peak but it’s still ticking along fairly decently here. Without necessarily getting into the reasons for why that’s the case

So don’t forget you’re competing with Sydney fc and wanderers who get decent support, and then you’ve got, Marconi, APIA, Sydney Olympic, Sydney united..and macathur too (if they don’t end up folding). So 7 clubs playing at a national level simultaneously, that’s a lot of competition for fans and when you put them all together a fairly decent cumulative number of people attending and supporting local clubs in comparison to other cities
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do you think they are competing for the same customers though? They look like different fan bases
 
grazorblade said:
do you think they are competing for the same customers though? They look like different fan bases
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Yea they are different fan bases, but let’s be honest here, this is Australia, there is overlap and competition at the fringes. There are 100% people who go to south Melb games or Preston games now who at one point had been attending or could be swayed to attend victory games. Or people who went to south games in the nsl but moved over to victory when they were at their peak. Or people who were at Marconi or Sydney united or Sydney Olympic in the nsl but were going to wanderers games at their peak. You have your core fan bases at every club, but you also have your casual fans who are the difference between a 18,000 crowd at a Melb derby, and 50,000 crowd 10 years ago. And are the difference between a 1,500 crowd at Heidelberg v a 10,000 cup final crowd. Or a 1,500 crowd at Sydney united or a 15,000 crowd at the cup final a few years back. That’s just my 2c
 
est47 said:
Once again didnt take our chances.

Well done to the Canberra croatia support they were fantastic all game
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Do you think the end of season overseas trip may have done more harm than good? Did the players get much of a break?

The reason I ask is that given South’s terrible NPL season, we didn’t play finals so our players had a chance to be rested before this competition.
 
Got info from someone anonymous at football australia
FA uses the same formula that they use for national teams. They take ticket sales from INTIX and add 15 percent for corporates,comps, kids and staff. This is apparently a generally accepted methodology and when there is a disagreement it means they are inflating their numbers which "can happen for various reasons"

Both npl and a league clubs apparently have a habit of inflating their crowd numbers (though apparently the reported numbers are "not far off the mark" from the true numbers, though "some clubs inflate more than others") but since fa are modelling they have to be more accurate
 
grazorblade said:
There will be no further matches between NSW and Victoria, If you were 10 games into the season and this is what the table looked like, you would think NSW are at least an entire division weaker than victoria

GamesWinsDrawsPointsGoal difference
Victoria106422+9
NSW10044-9
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I've been telling people this for years, but it's generally the NPL NSW folk who don't want to know about it. The distance that NSW football is above that of Queensland and South Australia, is the same distance again that Victoria is above NSW. It's no contest. On any given day anyone can win, but over an extended period the cream rises.

grazorblade said:
Big question is how do we read into these attendances compared to a full 18-22 round robin season? You would have two factors leading to a higher attendance - a h&a has more prestige and you would also have higher quality since you can recruit more players. But you would also lose from having more games and less jeopardy per game. Probably those factors cancel out. If you got promoted to the top team that is probably worth 2k
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These attendances are just a ballpark idea. Three home matches aren't a lot to go by, it's too little that it gets affected disproportionately by events. Timeslots, opposition, weather, Oasis etc. One event and it screws the numbers. But at least we have some numbers haha.

And as you said elsewhere, the crowd would double if in A-League. I think it would be boosted even more with the travelling fans.
 
does anyone have pax numbers for NST games
Would be interested to see how much they differ from final attendances. We have a lot of fans walk up to games rather than prepurchase
 
Would be good if we could eliminate attendances as a KPI for the overall success in both this comp and the A-league, however (correct me if I’m wrong), we need higher attendances to generate interest in terms of broadcast revenue and sponsorships etc?

Apparently from season 3 onwards, FA will stop covering travel expenses, this will put a massive burden on clubs.
 
biggiemic said:
Apparently from season 3 onwards, FA will stop covering travel expenses, this will put a massive burden on clubs.
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If that's the case, then teams would need to plan months in advance in order to secure the best airfare pricing to reduce costs.

I'd be curious to know if a home and away season with 8-10 teams would be more financially viable given it would be largely made up of VIC/NSW teams, and that would reduce travel/accommodation costs.
 
Glenardo said:


Boycott aside, There’s no doubt imo that this a major factor as to why United’s crowds have been lower than what they usually are, on top of other off field and on field factors alike
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As i have mentioned before, people with families and kids have stayed away.

Who wants to go when there is 20+ Riot Cops, walking around intimidating people.

The club really needs to reassess if they want to be part of this competition next season, I rather not be in it, if we need to fork out $30k a game for security and police to be present. Running at a loss, not worth it in my opinion.
 
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