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These are facts, that the sun shines into the camera, but hey ho, you know best. Check out why the main stands at football grounds are on the western side.
The glare gets worse as the sun sets.
When the sun sets, yeah. Not at 1pm when the Championship is actually on. Hence the "fact" that the sun is 73 degrees above. No need for the passive aggressiveness or change of parameters to make you seem like you've won the argument haha.
 
When the sun sets, yeah. Not at 1pm when the Championship is actually on. Hence the "fact" that the sun is 73 degrees above. No need for the passive aggressiveness or change of parameters to make you seem like you've won the argument haha.
It is not an argument, it is a fact, deal with it. Do you think you are the first person in world football to ask this question? It is an age old question.

Where was the passive aggression? Man up FGS.
 
It is not an argument, it is a fact, deal with it. Do you think you are the first person in world football to ask this question? It is an age old question.
You're talking about sunsets! Is there a single sunset during a Championship match? Thank you for that "fact", I didn't know 🙄, I have surely been dealt with.
 
Whoever specified the colours on this Broadmeadow kit wasn’t thinking. White numbers on a yellow kit are pretty much invisible.
 
You're talking about sunsets! Is there a single sunset during a Championship match? Thank you for that "fact", I didn't know 🙄, I have surely been dealt with.
I started about the sun in general, affects the camera on the eastern side, don’t twist the story.
 
I started about the sun in general, affects the camera on the eastern side
In reply to my post about the club or FA putting a camera on the opposite side for the Championship. Last time I checked, all matches in the day, apart from Hellas opening match. I appreciate your general facts, but unrelated to my post. Sorry you find me "unhinged" for that.
 
I like Pete, but this is a bit "tinfoil hat" for me and completely ignores a logical statement.
Logical or not weve heard way too much and not seen anywhere near enough to justify it or take it as gospel... takes much more than words to remove the tinge of distrust. A distrust not subdued by the fact they retained full power for semis as well as finals, time will tell, but whose to tell me that this also is not part of strangling the comp without directly doing so openly?
APL/PFA at fault for times, FA changing format, NDA's etc etc its not a conspiracy theory when that many ducks align!
I think it's clear that FA and APL have worked together regarding scheduling for something mutually beneficial, not working against each other or protecting just one.
The very issue IS that the APL has a say at all, perhaps next year they sit down with the foundation 8 and we can also dictate when they should play to make sure it doesnt clash with this product especailly during finals? Concessions should go both ways for the good of football, no?
Definitely worth having a trial next season going head to head with A-League. Need all the metrics, and would appease a few theorists haha.
Crowd metrics has been more a concern/worry for the AL ppl than the other way! Dont think the worry or the restriction on this came from our end.. we were always happy to go head to head, just look at who is complaining loudest about times etc.
But having the semis and final at a neutral venue is dangerous for attendances. Where would the play a Bayswater vs Morton City final??
For a final like that, it would take the hand of the footballing gods, the FA and a special team of officials to sergically remove many along the way!
 
Logical or not weve heard way too much and not seen anywhere near enough to justify it or take it as gospel... takes much more than words to remove the tinge of distrust. A distrust not subdued by the fact they retained full power for semis as well as finals, time will tell, but whose to tell me that this also is not part of strangling the comp without directly doing so openly?
APL/PFA at fault for times, FA changing format, NDA's etc etc its not a conspiracy theory when that many ducks align!

The very issue IS that the APL has a say at all, perhaps next year they sit down with the foundation 8 and we can also dictate when they should play to make sure it doesnt clash with this product especailly during finals? Concessions should go both ways for the good of football, no?

Crowd metrics has been more a concern/worry for the AL ppl than the other way! Dont think the worry or the restriction on this came from our end.. we were always happy to go head to head, just look at who is complaining loudest about times etc.

For a final like that, it would take the hand of the footballing gods, the FA and a special team of officials to sergically remove many along the way!
Yeah I agree with the distrust, you know me, I don't trust any of them haha. But I just can't see anything nefarious around the fixturing, just looks like they were genuinely trying to get the competition off on the best foot with clean air. But hopefully it goes head to head next year to appease people and test the metrics, not sure what SBS will think but worth a try. Probably bigger crowds I'd say.

Agree with giving the final it's own space. Actually next weekend would've been perfect with the Socceroos on and no ALM, not sure why they needed such a long break after the NPL season. But I'd like to see ALM step aside for a Saturday night final next year.

The metrics are always mentioned by FA and the NST clubs, can't say I agree it's more an A-League people thing. It's absolutely more important to FA and the NST clubs.
 
Logical or not weve heard way too much and not seen anywhere near enough to justify it or take it as gospel... takes much more than words to remove the tinge of distrust. A distrust not subdued by the fact they retained full power for semis as well as finals, time will tell, but whose to tell me that this also is not part of strangling the comp without directly doing so openly?
APL/PFA at fault for times, FA changing format, NDA's etc etc its not a conspiracy theory when that many ducks align!

The very issue IS that the APL has a say at all, perhaps next year they sit down with the foundation 8 and we can also dictate when they should play to make sure it doesnt clash with this product especailly during finals? Concessions should go both ways for the good of football, no?

Crowd metrics has been more a concern/worry for the AL ppl than the other way! Dont think the worry or the restriction on this came from our end.. we were always happy to go head to head, just look at who is complaining loudest about times etc.

For a final like that, it would take the hand of the footballing gods, the FA and a special team of officials to sergically remove many along the way!
I believe it is an invitational tournament, if so, you can always turn down the invitation.
 
I believe it is an invitational tournament, if so, you can always turn down the invitation.
Im sure that may well be the case, for the non invested stakeholders, and if this pans out to be anything other than what was sold as concept otit may be the very avenue for the foundation clubs also.. that will come after some open and glaring finger pointing at the FA etc and the demand for answers from all.
 
The metrics are always mentioned by FA and the NST clubs, can't say I agree it's more an A-League people thing. It's absolutely more important to FA and the NST clubs.
100% the spokeperson for the FA though said the crowd metrics have already been exceeded and that this was not the main criteria for this comp. After the boxes of crowds, niche grounds, etc etc have all been met now its - Sustainability that is the key, which we all agree on and desire, but HERE also is the issue, and why distrust remains, especially from sticking a product in the most obscure times perhaps at others requests (noted and never debunct as to who that is), that we get natural progression to that the thought was to create the foundations for failure while hyping the expectation for success via some unachievable perfection (to say look we tried it and failed) Question is whose perfection model is set by whose bar, (FA, APL or the clubs themselves)?

The crowd as a be all and end all metric keeps coming to the forefront from opponents of the NST not its proponents as you well know.
 
100% the spokeperson for the FA though said the crowd metrics have already been exceeded and that this was not the main criteria for this comp. After the boxes of crowds, niche grounds, etc etc have all been met now its - Sustainability that is the key, which we all agree on and desire, but HERE also is the issue, and why distrust remains, especially from sticking a product in the most obscure times perhaps at others requests (noted and never debunct as to who that is), that we get natural progression to that the thought was to create the foundations for failure while hyping the expectation for success via some unachievable perfection (to say look we tried it and failed) Question is whose perfection model is set by whose bar, (FA, APL or the clubs themselves)?

The crowd as a be all and end all metric keeps coming to the forefront from opponents of the NST not its proponents as you well know.
Yep good points. I'd like to see if playing the same timeslots next year actually pushes both competitions further for the better. More marketing, more coverage etc. It's harder to ignore the game when it's everywhere.
 
On the kick off times, in England they are typically 12:30pm and 3pm. Fans are often doing 6 hour journeys across country and those kickoff times seem designed to allow that. Incidentally the prices and times are pretty similar. If I went to Luton, which is close, give yourself an hour to get to the station you are looking at about 8 hours of travelling


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120 pounds in total.
Here is a Melbourne to Sydney flight for comparison which would be the majority of interstate travel in any lower division. Just 30 pounds extra
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If I look at the worse away trip it would be southampton to middlesborough which I can still catch the game
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here is brisbane to adelaide, almost the same price and actually less time out of the day even allowing 1.5 hours for getting to the airport and getting back

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I'm not sure how most brittish fans travel, but every saturday night cross country trains are packed with fans asking where they have come from and where they are going. So I suspect the "tyranny of distance" motif is out of date.
 
Yep good points. I'd like to see if playing the same timeslots next year actually pushes both competitions further for the better. More marketing, more coverage etc. It's harder to ignore the game when it's everywhere.
As you mentioned earlier all we ALL have to be, is smarter in allocating the dates, throw the NST a bone come finals from the APL and all can start the ball rolling together, sell the differentiation via support and push the headlines of more AU Football (saturation), it appeases so much more for all stakeholders than what we keep doing now... and if we see it doesnt work for the good of all then lets all sit down and work the calendars better together!
 
On the kick off times, in England they are typically 12:30pm and 3pm. Fans are often doing 6 hour journeys across country and those kickoff times seem designed to allow that. Incidentally the prices and times are pretty similar. If I went to Luton, which is close, give yourself an hour to get to the station you are looking at about 8 hours of travelling


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120 pounds in total.
Here is a Melbourne to Sydney flight for comparison which would be the majority of interstate travel in any lower division. Just 30 pounds extra
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If I look at the worse away trip it would be southampton to middlesborough which I can still catch the game
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here is brisbane to adelaide, almost the same price and actually less time out of the day even allowing 1.5 hours for getting to the airport and getting back

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I'm not sure how most brittish fans travel, but every saturday night cross country trains are packed with fans asking where they have come from and where they are going. So I suspect the "tyranny of distance" motif is out of date.
So much is out of date..

Why ive actually come to terms with the concept that only an overarching football 'dictatorship' could get things in line across the board. A footballing 'fascist doctrine' if you will. 🤣😛
 
So much is out of date..

Why ive actually come to terms with the concept that only an overarching football 'dictatorship' could get things in line across the board. A footballing 'fascist doctrine' if you will. 🤣😛
so we need a billionaire who is football mad and a p&r ideologue to take over?
 
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