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HappyGuus said:
Group A:
Morton City just need a draw against South on Friday night.
Olympic will know what they need when they play on Sunday. They need to beat Broadmeadow, and Morton City to lose, and make up the 4 goal difference, and maybe a better "goals for"!

Group B:
Is pretty much all over. Wollongong need to belt Marconi by 6 goals to progress.

Group C:
Is completely open. Preston play Avondale on the Saturday, so NWS and Canberra will know what they need to do on Sunday. A Preston draw would 99% rule out Canberra progressing. A Preston win and NWS v Canberra is for pride.

Group D:
MetroStars and SU58 play first on Sunday. Metro need a win and for Bayswater to lose in the later Sunday match. If Baywater manage a good win against APIA, there could be a shock exit for APIA!

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Olympic only have themselves to blame. Just not good enough under the circumstances
 


Boycott aside, There’s no doubt imo that this a major factor as to why United’s crowds have been lower than what they usually are, on top of other off field and on field factors alike
 
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grazorblade said:
There will be no further matches between NSW and Victoria, If you were 10 games into the season and this is what the table looked like, you would think NSW are at least an entire division weaker than victoria

GamesWinsDrawsPointsGoal difference
Victoria106422+9
NSW10044-9
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I still think if you watch games like the Marconi v Heidelberg game last week, or the spirit v Avondale game in nsw a few weeks back you can see that the gap is not that large. A whole division is a bit dramatic. The comparison is probably more akin to the premier league v serie a In champions league in the modern era. English teams have had the wood over Italian ones for quite some time in continental competition, but I don’t think anyone would suggest that the premier league is a whole division better than serie a. Maybe the top teams in vic are currently slightly better, maybe the bottom teams in nsw are weaker than the bottom ones in vic, but there’s a great deal of overlap. You’ve even had multiple Victoria based forum members who have watch football at this level week in week out over many years say that the difference is marginal
 
Glenardo said:
I still think if you watch games like the Marconi v Heidelberg game last week, or the spirit v Avondale game in nsw a few weeks back you can see that the gap is not that large. A whole division is a bit dramatic. The comparison is probably more akin to the premier league v serie a In champions league in the modern era. English teams have had the wood over Italian ones for quite some time in continental competition, but I don’t think anyone would suggest that the premier league is a whole division better than serie a. Maybe the top teams in vic are currently slightly better, maybe the bottom teams in nsw are weaker than the bottom ones in vic, but there’s a great deal of overlap. You’ve even had multiple Victoria based forum members who have watch football at this level week in week out over many years say that the difference is marginal
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To be fair if you saw a mid table EPL and EFL team play some games would be pretty close! Football can be deceptive and you don't really know how big a gap is unless you play a lot of games

Taking the last 2 years of Champions league football there is a gap (which I think is fair) but not as dramatic, looks about third of a division which is about right and in line with what ELO gives

GamesWinsDrawsLossesPointsGD
England9432153
Italy92349-3
 
In terms of the vic v nsw debate we saw Spirit push Avondale hard today in a narrow loss, from a goal that appeared offside. Wollongong got a draw away to Heidelberg, granted they could have been 5 goals down at the half, but 2nd half was a complete reversal and they carved Heidelberg up like no other npl team has done this year and could have won.

The difference is nowhere near an entire division. Vic is consistently coming out on top but we are seeing tight games where general play looks even.

Its good to see many groups still in the balance. The only team i see being a sure thing for a semi final spot is Heidelberg as they will likely host either Bayswater or Metrostars at home in the quarters.

I'd be very surprised if we dont have home field advantage for the duration if we keep winning. Foundation club, 1st in our group and our current points tally of 15 is well ahead of any other team in the comp.
 
southmelb said:
In terms of the vic v nsw debate we saw Spirit push Avondale hard today in a narrow loss, from a goal that appeared offside. Wollongong got a draw away to Heidelberg, granted they could have been 5 goals down at the half, but 2nd half was a complete reversal and they carved Heidelberg up like no other npl team has done this year and could have won.

The difference is nowhere near an entire division. Vic is consistently coming out on top but we are seeing tight games where general play looks even.

Its good to see many groups still in the balance. The only team i see being a sure thing for a semi final spot is Heidelberg as they will likely host either Bayswater or Metrostars at home in the quarters.
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Avondale also will get the cushiest of opponents no matter who goes through!
 
southmelb said:
In terms of the vic v nsw debate we saw Spirit push Avondale hard today in a narrow loss, from a goal that appeared offside. Wollongong got a draw away to Heidelberg, granted they could have been 5 goals down at the half, but 2nd half was a complete reversal and they carved Heidelberg up like no other npl team has done this year and could have won.

The difference is nowhere near an entire division. Vic is consistently coming out on top but we are seeing tight games where general play looks even.

Its good to see many groups still in the balance. The only team i see being a sure thing for a semi final spot is Heidelberg as they will likely host either Bayswater or Metrostars at home in the quarters.

I'd be very surprised if we dont have home field advantage for the duration if we keep winning. Foundation club, 1st in our group and our current points tally of 15 is well ahead of any other team in the comp.
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If you had 4 midtable efl teams and 4 midtable epl teams would you see some tight games?

Also worth mentioning that the weakest NSW team - su58 - haven't faced a vic opponent!
 
Hellenic_blue&white said:
Avondale also will get the cushiest of opponents no matter who goes through!
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Avondale likely play Moreton so you're right, bergers and avondale likely cushy ride to semis. The issue Avondale will have is they will almost certainly be sent to Sydney for a semi if one of Apia or Marconi get through which looks likely (will probably meet in quarters)
 
grazorblade said:
If you had 4 midtable efl teams and 4 midtable epl teams would you see some tight games?

Also worth mentioning that the weakest NSW team - su58 - haven't faced a vic opponent!
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Im not so much going by the results but more the style of play and how the games look, they're quite even. I think nws spirit for eg are technically very good. A lot of these games easily could have swung the way of the nsw teams. Vic is stronger no doubt but its not a league wide gap.
 
southmelb said:
Avondale likely play Moreton so you're right, bergers and avondale likely cushy ride to semis. The issue Avondale will have is they will almost certainly be sent to Sydney for a semi if one of Apia or Marconi get through which looks likely (will probably meet in quarters)
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Didnt think of that! FA will get some backlash from Avondale as top seed if Marconi gets a NSW semi final despite finishing second in their group..
So am i to gather that the pathway is that WE get the winner of the bergers game and Avondale gets the sydney derby if it pans out bc thats what i initially thought from some pod but after looking at it there has been no actual pathway supplied beyond the qf
 
Attendances of f8 clubs so far (first 4 rounds). Only worry is Sydney United

South Melbourne5110
Preston4771
Sydney United636
Avondale1731
APIA3623
Marconi1688
Wollongong2199
Sydney Olympic1386
Average of 2630

Other clubs

Metrostars1136
Broadmeadow857
South Hobart1348
Heidelberg1446
Canberra1191
Bayswater634
NSW Spirit723
Moreton City615
Average 994
 
Big question is how do we read into these attendances compared to a full 18-22 round robin season? You would have two factors leading to a higher attendance - a h&a has more prestige and you would also have higher quality since you can recruit more players. But you would also lose from having more games and less jeopardy per game. Probably those factors cancel out. If you got promoted to the top team that is probably worth 2k
 
grazorblade said:
Attendances of f8 clubs so far (first 4 rounds). Only worry is Sydney United

South Melbourne5110
Preston4771
Sydney United636
Avondale1731
APIA3623
Marconi1688
Wollongong2199
Sydney Olympic1386
Average of 2630

Other clubs

Metrostars1136
Broadmeadow857
South Hobart1348
Heidelberg1446
Canberra1191
Bayswater634
NSW Spirit723
Moreton City615
Average 994
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Can only go by the offical attendances I know, but again, strange that the attendances the clubs are giving and the offical attendances being announced aren’t the same. Ie Marconi announced an offical attendance of ~2200 last game, but the official attendances given was ~1,700. Seems odd that these numbers don’t line up, is one more to be trusted more than the other?

Then also for Sydney United’s season opener an offical attendance of 800-900 was quoted, when the actual attendance according to club officials was ~1,500 (which I tend to think was more likely having seen many games and many crowds of varying sizes at edensor). And then we know there’s since been complicating factors re syd united.
 
Glenardo said:
Can only go by the offical attendances I know, but again, strange that the attendances the clubs are giving and the offical attendances being announced aren’t the same. Ie Marconi announced an offical attendance of ~2200 last game, but the official attendances given was ~1,700. Seems odd that these numbers don’t line up, is one more to be trusted more than the other?

Then also for Sydney United’s season opener an offical attendance of 800-900 was quoted, when the actual attendance according to club officials was ~1,500 (which I tend to think was more likely having seen many games and many crowds of varying sizes at edensor). And then we know there’s since been complicating factors re syd united.
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I'm guessing one is headcount and the other is ticket sales (since fa get a fraction of ticket sales)?
Maybe some are sneaking in?
 
grazorblade said:
Big question is how do we read into these attendances compared to a full 18-22 round robin season? You would have two factors leading to a higher attendance - a h&a has more prestige and you would also have higher quality since you can recruit more players. But you would also lose from having more games and less jeopardy per game. Probably those factors cancel out. If you got promoted to the top team that is probably worth 2k
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The time of year will also be a big factor imo. An a league aligned summer season will likely get better crowds than an npl aligned winter season
 
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