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Socceroos vs Canada/USA Oct 25

JS96 said:
That's not always true. Duke had a lot of poor performances where we delayed potential chances for the neglect generation of strikers.
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I don't think we neglected a generation of strikers, I think none of them were good enough. We saw plenty of them but they didn't measure up IMO. Duke was never a great striker, but he was the best of what we had since Timmy retired.
 
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tsf said:
This who were calling for nisbet saying he deserve it and keeps getting left out.. 1 spot left who do you take to US tour tomorrow (no World Cup)

Nisbet or Robertson?
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Both - He only named a 25 man squad. Squads are 26 these days.
 
Boonjeh said:
Interesting article about Robertson

There’s another article linked to it lower down. It seems like he’s been fit for a while but doesn’t want to play for Cardiff and the coach wants him to show more in training.
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Clickbait article. All it really says is he has to reach a certain level of fitness, but the article tries to paint it as though he's been slacking off in training.
 
tsf said:
So a player can be injured, not performing and not want to be there but we select him on pedigree. What a take. You should be a selector.
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Popovic explained his thinking in his press conference. He will pick players in friendlies that haven't been playing to get them in camp and have a look at how they fit. Given we have limited games pre-World Cup he's doing this because otherwise he may not get to see them close up.

This is a departure from the qualifiers, and he suggested playing time and club form would be required for the World Cup.

I agree with the approach.
 
Quicky said:
Popovic explained his thinking in his press conference. He will pick players in friendlies that haven't been playing to get them in camp and have a look at how they fit. Given we have limited games pre-World Cup he's doing this because otherwise he may not get to see them close up.

This is a departure from the qualifiers, and he suggested playing time and club form would be required for the World Cup.

I agree with the approach.
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FAir enough, but interesting that Segicic doesn't fall in that category. Interesting to see him on the pitch for the NT

And I wish we'd taken that approach in the past with lots of players
 
JS96 said:
I agree with that. He hasn't played the minutes. While we needed to get him into the system it's not on merit this time. His case is so stupid that now the appeasing of exposing him to the set up goes against Popovic's philosophy.

In saying that exceptional talents get put ahead of others.
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I'm not sure it contradicts Popovic's approach. He always said if you make yourself available he'll consider you. He just wasn't going to chase you. It sounds like Robertson has made himself available. I got the impression it was unlikely he'll see playing time. But that he wanted to get a look at him in training, see what he's like. We'll see what happens.
 
tsf said:
FAir enough, but interesting that Segicic doesn't fall in that category. Interesting to see him on the pitch for the NT

And I wish we'd taken that approach in the past with lots of players
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Yeah I think Popovic is being more open with selection now the pressure of qualifying is off. It's a pivot in approach.

I agree with Segecic, but my impression was that might have been a deal with the club so he can maintain the rage there. Popovic has seen him in camp now (unlike Robertson), and even though he got no game time, he has been complimentary in press comments.

But maybe i'm trying to see the positive in things too much. I really want to see Segecic play!
 
Some context of where he is at

the narrator comments are fluff and more negative than the coaches quotes

www.portsmouth.co.uk

Cardiff boss' brutal message to former Pompey loanee as surprise absence explained

Former Pompey loanee Alex Robertson has failed to appear for Cardiff City in League One this season.
www.portsmouth.co.uk www.portsmouth.co.uk

I suspect pompey are a bit filthy robbo turned his back on them!

But the main context is that he has only just returned to full intensity and will have to earn his way back into the squad
 
Alex M said:
I don't think we neglected a generation of strikers, I think none of them were good enough. We saw plenty of them but they didn't measure up IMO. Duke was never a great striker, but he was the best of what we had since Timmy retired.
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What happened was we played Duke unnecessarily and then Yengi got a bit of a run. Meanwhile we tried stupid stuff with Leckie and Boyle as striker when we had D'Agostino, Iredale, Stama, Archie Goodwin, Botic and others waiting to fill the void. They were scoring at a good level. We knew Duke would round up and not we're playing a bit of catch up.

It's been 2 years since Toure debuted at Wembley. Despite that, we've waiting just that little bit longer than I would've liked but he's kicked on.

The same could be said about Irvine and Behich. Squad but don't always start them.
 
Quicky said:
I'm not sure it contradicts Popovic's approach. He always said if you make yourself available he'll consider you. He just wasn't going to chase you. It sounds like Robertson has made himself available. I got the impression it was unlikely he'll see playing time. But that he wanted to get a look at him in training, see what he's like. We'll see what happens.
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That's right. I suppose the weighting is more than making yourself available makes past issues irrelevant. In saying that the back and forth from Robertson and the recent reaching out must have peaked Popovic's interest. I wonder how much the coaching team can contribute to call ups.
 
grazorblade said:
I do wonder if nisbets height will count against him in poppas system where both cms are expected to sit pretty deep
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Check out Hannover 96 2011 with Pinto and Schmiedebach as 6's. Both short but the system worked where they were able to not get smothered.
 
Bbouy said:
I mean you've clearly never watched Robertson because his pedigree alone is worth his selection in this type of experimental side. He's been injured and now trying to compete to show his fitness the past couple weeks to make the squad/as well as having other clubs after him, unsure if he'll even stay in Cardiff after the transfer window. Saying he makes less of an impact is a strange take when currently he isn't playing but when he was the last few seasons he was great at both Cardiff and Portsmouth. There's a reason why people want him in the team and there is a reason he is being selected coming off of an injury without game-time because they know his ability. He's isn't playing at a lower level because the last time he played he was in the Championship which is equal to a lot of the midfielders and he was making a greater impact than all of them besides maybe Irvine and McGree, but technically surpasses both.

Your comment screams resentment.
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I'm not sure "his pedigree alone is worth his selection". His dad Mark had a journeyman career and ended up with 1 single Socceroos cap. I feel fairly qualified to comment because I saw him plenty of times as a Marconi supporter back in my teens when he played there and he was nowhere near the best players in the team at that time.

Regarding his grandfather Alex, per Wikipedia, "Alex, had emigrated from Scotland to play for Sydney City in the National Soccer League and eventually represented Australia eight times in non-official matches". Again, not exactly Lionel Messi.

Pedigree shouldn't be part of the discussion at all apart from an interesting piece of trivia. I suspect the family history means plenty to him which maybe is why he has eventually come around, but as far as pedigree in the sense of him having some sort of supreme footballing genetics... no, I think not. If anything, his genetics suggests he'll be a very run-of-the-mill footballer!
 
verrelli said:
I'm not sure "his pedigree alone is worth his selection". His dad Mark had a journeyman career and ended up with 1 single Socceroos cap. I feel fairly qualified to comment because I saw him plenty of times as a Marconi supporter back in my teens when he played there and he was nowhere near the best players in the team at that time.

Regarding his grandfather Alex, per Wikipedia, "Alex, had emigrated from Scotland to play for Sydney City in the National Soccer League and eventually represented Australia eight times in non-official matches". Again, not exactly Lionel Messi.

Pedigree shouldn't be part of the discussion at all apart from an interesting piece of trivia. I suspect the family history means plenty to him which maybe is why he has eventually come around, but as far as pedigree in the sense of him having some sort of supreme footballing genetics... no, I think not. If anything, his genetics suggests he'll be a very run-of-the-mill footballer!
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So you're saying we won't see all of the GG children at the world cup in 2030?
 
verrelli said:
Sorry JS, I don't quite follow the point you are possibly making.
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The golden generation has a lot of their own sons playing professional football now and we wonder if they'll make the national team. Famous names.

You're right that just because you have a famous parent doesn't mean you'll be good yourself. Alex Robertson is a good footballer though.
 
JS96 said:
The golden generation has a lot of their own sons playing professional football now and we wonder if they'll make the national team. Famous names.

You're right that just because you have a famous parent doesn't mean you'll be good yourself. Alex Robertson is a good footballer though.
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Yeah, i agree. I'm not sure we've yet seen a Socceroos gun who's father was also a Socceroos gun. That day will come. I know we've seen plenty of Julian Schwarzer's and Kyah Cahill's. And plenty more who've had sons that haven't even reached those heights or simply don't play at all.

I guess the key point i was making is that Robertson's lineage is the other end of the spectrum from the GG. Decidedly average careers. So I wouldn't reference pedigree in his case as though he comes from a stable of the legends of the game.

No doubt Robertson is good. Remains to be seen if he'll be much more than that.
 
JS96 said:
Check out Hannover 96 2011 with Pinto and Schmiedebach as 6's. Both short but the system worked where they were able to not get smothered.
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Did they sit as deep as poppa has them tho?
 
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