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patjennings said:
They did. They had Gold Coast and Townsville - both gone along with the original Auckland team. Expansion is problematic and always has been. The A League should have started larger and if we had a clean slate now I suspect it would be. We shouldn't make the same mistake with the Australian Championship.
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Yeah I don't have to much more to add. I love the passion everyone has I think from what I've seen and heard a league had potential but stuffed it up. Everything comes back to not having the right admin it's a huge problem. I just enjoy the games obviously I absolutely others my age grew up on a league so we're gonna watch that.

I like following socceroos and Matilda's more because we can only agree that we just want them to win. God bless
 
biggiemic said:
Doesn't matter if you had Bayswater, Stirling, Azzuri or Kingsway against Victory, you will always get a larger crowd for one of events.

Current NPLWA/football in this state is unfortunately dead.

Like I mentioned the other day, Floreat Athena, once a power house club, is on its knees about to be relegated, and somehow, even with the massive Greek contingent in this city, nobody is willing to save it.

Azzuri, also a former powerhouse, is a shadow of what it was only 10 years ago.

The "ethnicity" which was the driving force of football in these clubs is this state in now non existant, hence why only a new club trying to bring everyone together is the only option.
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SURE I don't doubt any of this but ask yourself WHY would anyone currently throw any serious effort behind reviving these once big clubs? To do WHAT win the NPL in their own state? To what end? There is NOTHING in place to strive for... Make a national stage that they can "sell" to their fans and sponsors and you may have a different outcome.
 
patjennings said:
Destination NSW apparently paid somewhere between $12m and $20m for 3 grand finals (later changed to unite rounds).That is between $4m and well on the way to $7m a season.

The FA is after $1m seed money from the Fed govt and each of the NSW and and Vic governments. Surely a commitment from each of the other state governments to commit to $500,000 guarantees (which may never be needed) should be able to be negotiated by the FA and State Federations in collaboration with whichever clubs is wanting to enter. The spur for tourism (with 3 Vic clubs and 5 NSW clubs) should be a no brainer for the SA government. Even if they had to pay the guarantee they would get tourists for 8 games that would cost between $0 and $62,500 per game. Not an outrageous outlay for what income would come into for the state would come from those 8 weekends. Certainly much more appealing to the tax payer than a guaranteed $4m - almost $7m a year for one weekend.
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EXACTAMUNDO
 
melbcityguy said:
We'll never know but the crowds and ratings were the highest it's ever been. I'm happy to take criticism of the a league but you blokes have to admit at one point it was thriving it's when Rebecca Wilson and all that shite about crowd violence when it went tits up
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Sure but you have to acknowledge that 27 year of NSL prior had a hundred Rebecca Wilson like "episodes"
 
patjennings said:
I would suggest that FA needs to consider what is best for the football in Australia, a club only needs to consider what is best for them.

100 economists in a room - 100 opinions. Much like 100 people on a football forum.
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Some organising bodies don't - as we're well aware.
 
someguyjc said:
Correct, a proper H&A Championship should not go ahead if there are a bunch of indicators that strongly predict failure. If the FA communicated those issues clearly and transparently, most people would be frustrated but would be totally fine with that. What I (and many others) have a problem with is the severe lack of planning from the FA. They hit a bump in the road and just stop. They do this all the time. Then it's just vagueness and non-commitment from them. Everything is always half-arsed because there is never any real analysis or planning. Set a season start date, doesn't matter when (26, 27, 35), just set one. Explain exactly what is required from the clubs for this comp to happen. This give clubs a timeline and something concrete to work towards. Everyone is on the same page. Some clubs will step up, some won't. When there is a real finish line with real rewards, ambitious clubs will make it happen. This approach of "we'll try this half-arsed comp and see how it goes and then maybe go proper league at some undetermined point in the future when clubs are ready" is never going to produce results.
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Fair comment however what I find perplexing is that these RFPs submitted would have had to be compliant with what they thought the requirements where otherwise they wouldn't have submitted them no? Why would a club go to the effort and expense of submitting a tender if they new it was non-compliant?
 
biggiemic said:
There is absolutely nothing to indicate current NPL clubs attract new fans on national stage.

Preston, Souths and maybe Knights, maybe Sydney United? Have history and respectable fan bases, but apart from them, that's it.
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Stirling Macedonia did in Melbourne vs Avondale last week... 200-300 of them.. The fact that they are not "mainstream" may bother you but the still had support.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
SURE I don't doubt any of this but ask yourself WHY would anyone currently throw any serious effort behind reviving these once big clubs? To do WHAT win the NPL in their own state? To what end? There is NOTHING in place to strive for... Make a national stage that they can "sell" to their fans and sponsors and you may have a different outcome.
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Or maybe, just maybe, the majority of these clubs are happy in the NPL as they are?
 
libelous said:
Do you mean ‘communicated to the clubs or to the fans’.
I believe the FA have indicated to the clubs through the RFP what is required and are assisting them in achieving that.
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I don't believe they have.... AAFC was asked, repeatedly, to model the finances, they did, and then the murmours of a "champions league " and "Brazilian pyramid - conference system" rumours started coming out of FA... They finally scraped 8 x club over the line, got them to stump up 500K good behaviour bonds, promsied them a H and A league only to postpone for a year and claim they couldnt find any other clubs.. Then they had 6-8 clubs that met the "technical requirements" and accepted RFP to evaluate the fiances only to somehow, 8 months later, come up short again...... Something doesn't pass the pub test here...
 
patjennings said:
True ... but - you don't want to react to every bit of commentary on twitter. The FA made a perfectly clear statement from there perspective.

TBH I'd be happier if the clubs outed themselves and said they were involved in the third round as South Hobart did. But then go further and say

1) the FA reviewed are EOI and these areas still need to be addressed before we resubmit; and
2) we continue to work with the FA and other parties in a view to be included in the 2027 home and away Australian championship.

I don't believe it is the right of the FA to public elucidate to the general public where an individual club is coming up short. That responsibility, if it lies anywhere, lies with the club. Whether they want to share their weknesses with the general public is their decision.
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fair enough, but if these clubs are responding to RFPs knowing they dont meet the criteria they are stupid .... I honestly don't believe this is the case.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
I don't believe they have.... AAFC was asked, repeatedly, to model the finances, they did, and then the murmours of a "champions league " and "Brazilian pyramid - conference system" rumours started coming out of FA... They finally scraped 8 x club over the line, got them to stump up 500K good behaviour bonds, promsied them a H and A league only to postpone for a year and claim they couldnt find any other clubs.. Then they had 6-8 clubs that met the "technical requirements" and accepted RFP to evaluate the fiances only to somehow, 8 months later, come up short again...... Something doesn't pass the pub test here...
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Look at the Japanese pyramid.

The top tier initially started with a 10 team closed league, which came after YEARS of planning.

After several more YEARS, of planning, they then introduced a 2nd a 3rd.

This sort of things doesn't happen overnight.
 
biggiemic said:
Look at the Japanese pyramid.

The top tier initially started with a 10 team closed league, which came after YEARS of planning.

After several more YEARS, of planning, they then introduced a 2nd a 3rd.

This sort of things doesn't happen overnight.
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20 years of Aleague ... 7 years of "modelling" for the NSD..... Lowy really did get his revenge the crusty old prick...
 
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