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HonestSpursFan said:
So then how do Dutch teams generally make the knockout stages of European competitions (other than this season)? Unless you’re implying that PSV, Feyenoord and I guess Nijmegen and Ajax are “very good” and the rest are “dross”.
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That's exactly what I'm saying, and even those clubs are regressing every year against teams in the richer leagues.
 
JRD said:
That's exactly what I'm saying, and even those clubs are regressing every year against teams in the richer leagues.
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Ah I see. I thought you were genuinely implying that, say, PSV were worse than Coventry.

That problem exists in women’s football too. Barça, Bayern and Lyon walk their respective leagues (some of the best in the world) every year.
 
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DandyCasey said:
Something to do with work permits I assume?
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Netherlands is interesting, they were early movers in europes technical revolution getting ahead of the curve with their total football philosophy and coach education. Howere, they dont have p and r below the 2nd tier. So once dutch coach knowledge diffused to other countries the weakness in their grassroots. It took ages for this to trickle up, but the drop off from the top of the 1st tier to the bottom of the 2nd tier is quite steep. Probably lower epl at the top to 4th division at the bottom

I started looking at proxies for grass roots strength at the bottom of the pyramid a while ago to see if i could measure a decline but stopped because im a bit burnt out at work...waiting to get bandwidth again because i found some interesting stuff
 
grazorblade said:
Netherlands is interesting, they were early movers in europes technical revolution getting ahead of the curve with their total football philosophy and coach education. Howere, they dont have p and r below the 2nd tier. So once dutch coach knowledge diffused to other countries the weakness in their grassroots. It took ages for this to trickle up, but the drop off from the top of the 1st tier to the bottom of the 2nd tier is quite steep. Probably lower epl at the top to 4th division at the bottom

I started looking at proxies for grass roots strength at the bottom of the pyramid a while ago to see if i could measure a decline but stopped because im a bit burnt out at work...waiting to get bandwidth again because i found some interesting stuff
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The Eerste Divisie and the Tweede Divisie technically have promotion and relegation but it’s currently paused. No idea when it restarts but they really should. For the record the Tweede Divisie still has pro/rel with the Derde Divisie which has pro/rel with the Vierde Divisie and so on. Only the Eredivisie and Eerste Divisie are professional in the men’s game with the Tweede Divisie being semi-pro and the rest being amateur, while in the women’s game only the Vrouwen Eredivisie is pro and the rest are amateur.

Edit: apparently the top tiers of Aruba (Division di Honor) and Curaçao (PromĂ© Divishon) are semi-pro. “Division” is spelt division in the Aruban dialect of Papiamento (spelt with an o) and divishon in the Bonairean and Curaçaoan dialect of Papiamentu (spelt with a u) if you’re wondering why essentially the same word in the same language is spelt different.
 
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HonestSpursFan said:
The Eerste Divisie and the Tweede Divisie technically have promotion and relegation but it’s currently paused. No idea when it restarts but they really should. For the record the Tweede Divisie still has pro/rel with the Derde Divisie which has pro/rel with the Vierde Divisie and so on. Only the Eredivisie and Eerste Divisie are professional in the men’s game with the Tweede Divisie being semi-pro and the rest being amateur, while in the women’s game only the Vrouwen Eredivisie is pro and the rest are amateur.
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For the most part it has been conditional p and r since the 70s i believe
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Ah I see. I thought you were genuinely implying that, say, PSV were worse than Coventry.

That problem exists in women’s football too. Barça, Bayern and Lyon walk their respective leagues (some of the best in the world) every year.
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PSV probably wins the Championship, just as Real Madrid would challenge for the title in the EPL.

However, there are probably only 6 or 7 teams in Spain that wouldn't struggle to stay up in EPL.

The English football pyramid is miles ahead of everyone and the gap grows every year.
 
JRD said:
PSV probably wins the Championship, just as Real Madrid would challenge for the title in the EPL.

However, there are probably only 6 or 7 teams in Spain that wouldn't struggle to stay up in EPL.

The English football pyramid is miles ahead of everyone and the gap grows every year.
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That’d be why English teams are doing so well in the Europa and Conference Leagues but the Champions League remains competitive.
 
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For the most part it has been conditional p and r since the 70s i believe
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Reserve teams can’t play in the Eredivisie. The Allsvenskan, Bundesliga, etc are technically the same in that regard. I think they need a licence too though.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Reserve teams can’t play in the Eredivisie. The Allsvenskan, Bundesliga, etc are technically the same in that regard. I think they need a licence too though.
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No i mean ereste divisie to the divisions below has either had no p and r or conditional p and r for 50ish years
 
JS96 said:
Great to see the summer break being filled with league debates already!
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months of debating football governance, p and r, old soccer v new football, how different leagues rank to keep a leagur fans sane during the worlds longest off season

At least the australia cup, oz championship and acl gives us some footy to watch these days
 
Yep, the Championship has taken massive strides in recent years and is miles ahead of any league outside the Big 5.

Celtic would struggle to stay in the Champ and I say that as a Celtic fan (slightly modified by the fact that I'm keenly interested in how the Australians go and that can skew my allegiance at times). Celtic wouldn't be close to the play-offs.

As for the Eredivisie... the top three teams would be slightly better than Celtic.
 
grazorblade said:
months of debating football governance, p and r, old soccer v new football, how different leagues rank to keep a leagur fans sane during the worlds longest off season

At least the australia cup, oz championship and acl gives us some footy to watch these days
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There's also this thing called the world cup but who's counting?
 
HonestSpursFan said:
This is probably a fair assessment. Heracles are Championship level, PSV are lower Prem level.
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Heracles would be one of the weakest teams in League One. PSV are a strong team - but it's worth remembering they lost 3-1 to USG (2nd in the Belgian league this season) at home in the Champions League.

Opta team rankings provide an instructive statistical view into the strength of teams across leagues. https://theanalyst.com/articles/who-are-the-best-football-team-in-the-world-opta-power-rankings
HonestSpursFan said:
PSV would beat Brugge though.
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scout_aussie said:
Heracles would be one of the weakest teams in League One. PSV are a strong team - but it's worth remembering they lost 3-1 to USG (2nd in the Belgian league this season) at home in the Champions League
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To be fair upsets do happen. It’s an extreme example but Tottenham beat Man City 4–0 away two seasons ago, but City are definitely stronger than Spurs.

scout_aussie said:
Opta team rankings provide an instructive statistical view into the strength of teams across leagues. https://theanalyst.com/articles/who-are-the-best-football-team-in-the-world-opta-power-rankings
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I’ve heard of Opta before, how does it work exactly? Seems odd to have Sunderland and Milan below Leeds.
 
Aussies in Europe for next season 👀🇩đŸ‡ș

With the majority of European leagues wrapped up for the 2025/26 season, it's time to look at which Australian players are set to represent their clubs in next season's UEFA club competitions: 👇

Champions League:
- Jordan Bos (Feyenoord, league phase)
- Cammy Devlin (Heart of Midlothian, second qualifying round)
- Calem Nieuwenhof (Heart of Midlothian, second qualifying round)
- Garang Kuol (Sparta Praha, third qualifying round)
- Gianni Stensness (Viking FK, play-off round)

Europa League:
- Daniel Arzani (FerencvĂĄros, first qualifying round)
- Fran Karacic (Hajduk Split, first qualifying round)
- Anthony Kalik (Hajduk Split, first qualifying round)

Conference League:
- Marco Tilio (Rapid Wien, second qualifying round)
- Tomi Juric (Zrinjski Mostar, second qualifying round)
- Noah Botic (Austria Wien, second qualifying round)
- Martin Boyle (Hibernian, second qualifying round)
- Jack Iredale (Hibernian, second qualifying round)
- Ante Suto (Hibernian, second qualifying round)
- Oscar Priestman (Motherwell, second qualifying round)
- John Koutroumbis (Motherwell, second qualifying round)
 
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