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Kind of crazy how famous the 2006 england team was


Having a team that was arguably just as good but regular aussies didn't recognize in 2006 was also crazy haha
 
funny thing is today's england side has so much less start power but are probably a lot more talented. They are actually wanted by top euro clubs, less of a technical gap than the pace setters like spain and have made the euro final twice
 
England need to build a good team. They've always been a bunch of individuals or inappropriate combinations that don't work. Poor tactics and a lack of fight a lot of the time. Complacent automatic starters. They'd go a lot closer to winning if they got rid of the personalities and picked players who'd bleed for the shirt.
 
JS96 said:
England need to build a good team. They've always been a bunch of individuals or inappropriate combinations that don't work. Poor tactics and a lack of fight a lot of the time. Complacent automatic starters. They'd go a lot closer to winning if they got rid of the personalities and picked players who'd bleed for the shirt.
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I'm as you might know, a big fan of the.French footballing culture and as an Englishman I've always thought as we're next door neighbours English football should be trying to replicate their systems of player and coaching develpment.

And to their credit the English football setup has already successfully replicated and adapted some if not many core elements of the French development model, particularly focusing on centralising coaching philosophies, improving facilities, and reforming the youth pathway, which has resulted in a very good and diverse generation of English talent....

England's FA has worked closely to align their national approach with France's highly successful blueprint. The French model which is built around the world leading INF Clairefontaine academy and identifies the country's best young players and brings them into a centralised, world-class training environment.

But while the English system takes inspiration from the French, it is tailored to the unique demands of the Premier League and this can stifle the success of developing young English players.

And I think Ligue 1 provides significantly more top-flight playing time to young players than the Premier League due to structural, economic, and strategic differences between the two leagues...

French football see's a lot of teenagers getting first team minutes throughout Ligue 1 whereas the 'high-stakes' nature of the Premier League forces many English clubs to rely on finished products.

Also the differences in playing time between Ligue 1 and the Premier League can create distinct mentality issues and psychological pressures for young players in each system.

Because Premier League minutes are scarce, young English players often play to avoid making mistakes rather than playing to make a positive impact. Ligue 1's economic model accepts mistakes as part of the development process. French youth play with less immediate fear of being dropped or permanently replaced by a multi-million-pound signing....

The difference in mental strength between French and English players is heavily rooted in how each country’s development system structurally prepares young athletes for professional reality.

A vast percentage of French talent emerges from working-class suburban banlieues. Football is viewed as a high-stakes, essential pathway out of tough socio-economic environments, creating a fierce, intrinsic drive to survive and succeed whereas the unmatched wealth of the Premier League means English youth prospects often receive life-changing financial contracts before playing a single senior minute. This early comfort can unintentionally dilute the ruthless mental edge required to push through career slumps.

There's also a difference in technical abilities between English and French players....

France fosters superior technical proficiency by strictly banning tactical team training before age 15. The FFF prioritises mandatory weak-foot mastery, intensive close-control drills, and rigorous technical entry exams over physical attributes. All things the English system and coaching practices would try and avoid.

And a significant portion of French technical proficiency is forged outside formal academies on the concrete city 'stades' (urban cages) of the Paris and Marseilles banlieues.

But over the last decade or so we are starting to see cage football emerge on council estates in England’s inner cites particularly South London and Birmingham.

England will never likely replicate France's tournament success but becoming increasingly similar in our entire player development systems we might be able to eventually develop tournament winning players. There's been two consecutive UEFA U21 winning English teams recently and that’s a great start!
 
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French bankrolling a 3rd teir

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French football fans seem deeply divided over the creation of Ligue 3, with many hardcore supporters and traditionalists actively resisting what they see as the over-commercialisation of the lower divisions...

For instance Paris 13 Atletico are an example of a very small club with a local amateur identity in Championat National 1, which will effectively become Ligue 3...

They're based out in Paris's 13th arrondissement which is a very multicultural and lower socio-economic part of the city. Their spiritual home known as 'Stade Pele' has one small 200 seating stand and standing room around the pitch.

Crowds are probably around the 1000 mark. And those hardcore French football traditionalists love Paris 13 Atletico exactly because they are small. Under the new mandatory Ligue 3 professionalism rules, tiny clubs like Paris 13 Atletico could face a massive crisis. They do not have the stadium revenue or the commercial crowd base to easily sustain a full professional roster of players...

Aubagn, FC Fleury 91, and Stade Briochin are in similar postions they will be forced into full-time operations, with full professional player contracts, and upgrading their backroom staffing and ground infrastructure. These clubs don't have the marketing pipelines or historic fan bases to generate the sort of commercial revenue, which could well plunge them straight into major structural debt.

Mind there are clubs like Caen, Valenciennes.and Rouen are much bigger with the budgets and infrastructure to meet the professional game requirements....

I guess that the Ligue 3 reform splits France – executives and bigger clubs in that 3rd tier will welcome the financial stability and potential loan pipelines from Ligue 1 while traditional fans and small clubs fiercely oppose the commercialisation and experimental rules....

The French Football Federation used the exact same professionalisation blueprint to radically overhaul women's domestic football. Through the creation of the Ligue Féminine de Football Professionnel (LFFP), the federation executed a massive restructuring over the last few seasons....

And some say it's working well and others not so well?

We'll see how it goes.....It's certainly going to be another interesting project.
 
Football us life said:
French football fans seem deeply divided over the creation of Ligue 3, with many hardcore supporters and traditionalists actively resisting what they see as the over-commercialisation of the lower divisions...

For instance Paris 13 Atletico are an example of a very small club with a local amateur identity in Championat National 1, which will effectively become Ligue 3...

They're based out in Paris's 13th arrondissement which is a very multicultural and lower socio-economic part of the city. Their spiritual home known as 'Stade Pele' has one small 200 seating stand and standing room around the pitch.

Crowds are probably around the 1000 mark. And those hardcore French football traditionalists love Paris 13 Atletico exactly because they are small. Under the new mandatory Ligue 3 professionalism rules, tiny clubs like Paris 13 Atletico could face a massive crisis. They do not have the stadium revenue or the commercial crowd base to easily sustain a full professional roster of players...

Aubagn, FC Fleury 91, and Stade Briochin are in similar postions they will be forced into full-time operations, with full professional player contracts, and upgrading their backroom staffing and ground infrastructure. These clubs don't have the marketing pipelines or historic fan bases to generate the sort of commercial revenue, which could well plunge them straight into major structural debt.

Mind there are clubs like Caen, Valenciennes.and Rouen are much bigger with the budgets and infrastructure to meet the professional game requirements....

I guess that the Ligue 3 reform splits France – executives and bigger clubs in that 3rd tier will welcome the financial stability and potential loan pipelines from Ligue 1 while traditional fans and small clubs fiercely oppose the commercialisation and experimental rules....

The French Football Federation used the exact same professionalisation blueprint to radically overhaul women's domestic football. Through the creation of the Ligue Féminine de Football Professionnel (LFFP), the federation executed a massive restructuring over the last few seasons....

And some say it's working well and others not so well?

We'll see how it goes.....It's certainly going to be another interesting project.
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My 2 cents is that at least there is the option for clubs like Paris 13 Atletico to participate or drop down a tier or am I misreading the situation?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
My 2 cents is that at least there is the option for clubs like Paris 13 Atletico to participate or drop down a tier or am I misreading the situation?
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Slightly....

Clubs do not get a voluntary choice to simply "drop down" a tier to avoid the professional requirements. Participation in the upcoming Ligue 3 is strictly determined by sporting merit (league table finishes) and financial validation by the DNCG (France's financial watchdog).

However, I think they must present a viable financial budget to the DNCG to prove they can afford the mandatory professional status – player contracts, administrative staff, stadium upgrades etc...

If they fail the audit they’re getting administered relegation apparently to N2 which will now become N1.
 
Football us life said:
Slightly....

Clubs do not get a voluntary choice to simply "drop down" a tier to avoid the professional requirements. Participation in the upcoming Ligue 3 is strictly determined by sporting merit (league table finishes) and financial validation by the DNCG (France's financial watchdog).

However, I think they must present a viable financial budget to the DNCG to prove they can afford the mandatory professional status – player contracts, administrative staff, stadium upgrades etc...

If they fail the audit they’re getting administered relegation apparently to N2 which will now become N1.
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Sorry, yes that was what I was implying... If they are unable or unwilling to compete in a professional capacity they arent going to be prevented for competing at a lower level.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Sorry, yes that was what I was implying... If they are unable or unwilling to compete in a professional capacity they arent going to be prevented for competing at a lower level.
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It's a similar situation to here in a way. NPL clubs like your Hellas, Sydney Croatia etc etc would easily make the step upto a full time professional A-League 2 but others would struggle to accommodate it due to costs and lack of infrastructure.

Championat N1 (now Ligue 3) is probably the equivalent of the Victorian and NSW NPL top division and Ligue 2 is probably a very similar situation to the A-League in terms of general footballing infrastructure off and on the pitch....
 
One of the ways a fully professional system has been a major plus for the women's league in France has been an improvement in medical practices within their competition.

This article appeared in Fridays L'Equipe Sports newspaper and I've used Gemini to translate to English...

Their Work, and Finally, Their Health
"The rehabilitation aspect is the challenge of the future for women's football."

— Emmanuel Orhant, FFF Medical Director since 2017

L'Équipe — Cyril Olivès-Berthet

"The Federation's pressure worked." As the head doctor for the Montpellier women's team for the past five years, Claude Nilles confirms the positive evolution of medical care in the Arkema

Première Ligue. This progress has notably been made possible by a financial incentive system set up by the Women's Professional Football League (LFFP), which was founded in April 2024. Four labels covering four development areas are provided by the League. According to our information, these allow a club to receive around €250,000 annually per label if they meet the specifications.

Medical care falls under the "sports and training policy" label. "The club must do everything possible to ensure medical monitoring of its players: a doctor present for a minimum of ten hours per week, at least a half-time physiotherapist, a medical office, and an adapted treatment room," details the club license specifications.

The new "sports policy" label aims to go even further, requiring at least one doctor and two physiotherapists full-time. "It's night and day in the span of three years," says a delighted Emmanuel Orhant, medical director of the FFF since 2017. "Some clubs have up to four dedicated physios, psychological and nutritional support, and a podiatrist. There have been huge changes in terms of equipment too, with hydrotherapy almost everywhere. It's a welcome surprise. There is a real investment plan; we are on the right track. We are getting very close to what is done for the men." Consequently, medical monitoring follows a protocol, notably via the Askamon application.
Practitioners from the different clubs must log every step, and they face sanctions if they fail to do so—just like in the men's game.


The Good Example at Strasbourg
The typology of injuries is gradually changing. What has been true for several years at the very highest level is now becoming reality at the national level. Over the span of two years, the same injuries are now found in the Arkema Première Ligue as in the Champions League or in national teams, for both men and women: muscular injuries, particularly in the quadriceps, and joint injuries.

"The teams promoted this year are playing the game and putting in the resources. Nantes, Lens, OM... It’s structured, and it’s almost a carbon copy of what is done for the men in terms of infrastructure and staff," Nilles assures. This is the case in Lyon, of course, under the leadership of Andrés Gonzalez Gomez, performance director since last summer, and also in Strasbourg.

The training center for Vincent Nogueira's players, made up of several prefabricated buildings, is becoming increasingly functional, notably with a dedicated grass pitch, which considerably reduces joint trauma. The project for more permanent buildings at Soprema Parc is moving forward and is financially supported by the new owner, BlueCo.

However, the major evolution in recent years concerns the medical staff. "Since last summer, we can do our ultrasounds directly on-site. We save two or three days on the care provided by the physios, which is huge," rejoices the Alsatian coach. "We only have a 24-hour wait time for our MRIs." His fitness coach, Sara Faure, can now "implement isokinetic testing at the start of the season."
"These are notably jumping exercises focused on hip-knee-foot control, which allow us to create protocols to reduce pressure on the hamstrings. In women, injuries often stem from the hips, so we target muscle building accordingly. This reduces injuries (adductors, abductors, and pubalgia)."

The work of physiotherapist Anaïs Frey has also changed everything for the Strasbourg players. Over the span of five years, she went from a contract of two evenings a week to a permanent full-time contract (CDI) with the club. "And I will benefit from a half-time assistant starting next season," she says happily. "The club has provided the resources. We no longer share our treatment room with the boys from the academy. We have our own machines: shortwave therapy, Game Ready cryotherapy and active compression devices, a Wingback tecartherapy (cell regeneration) device, pressotherapy boots... " The future promises even more technology at Racing: "A new machine is arriving: BFR, a blood flow restriction system. We've already tested it, and the girls really liked it."

Rehabilitation after injury is a major challenge at the highest level. "The rehabilitation aspect is the challenge of the future for women's football," announces Orhant. Nilles sees another one: "We need to develop internal mental preparation." This is an advancement that could very well also help the French national team, which is still searching for its first title.
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A lot of people in the women's game in France have been a little critical of it's full professional-isation over concerns of financial stability of once part-time professional ckubs but there are positive benefits too.
 
HappyGuus said:
Though I'd have a crack at scoring the trophy cabinets. Let me know if you spot any mistakes. Or if you want to suggest another scoring system, points for each trophy, that's cool. And no disrespect to the NSL clubs for not colouring them in, just that I already had the A-League colours from another spreadsheet. What's not shown here are the points for progression in Asian competitions (round of 16 onwards), I included those as a meaningful bonus of sorts.

Men:

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Women:

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Updated after a big weekend for Auckland!

Men's:

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Women's:

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