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HonestSpursFan said:
We were Big Six but the Big Six isn't really a huge thing anymore when you have the likes of Villa finishing above teams like Chelsea or Newcastle above Man U. It's more fluid now than it used to be. In the 2010s though it was certainly a thing, and it kinda still is a thing when you talk about their global brands and stuff. Spurs have a more global fanbase than Villa despite Villa being consistently higher on the ladder.

Clubs rise and fall too. In the old school era clubs like Everton and Leeds challenged for or won silverware, back when of course Socceroos greats played for both sides (obviously Tim Cahill for Everton, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka for Leeds). Nowadays Everton are a midtable club and Leeds only just came back up (and the last time they came up a few . Blackburn and Leicester have both won the Prem, but now are battling relegation in the Championship. Bournemouth and Brighton used to be in League One, while Oldham and Wigan were in the Prem. The list goes on. Sometimes it's fast too, like Luton going down twice in a row and now being merely pushing for playoffs in League One.
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A big Club is always a big club, no matter how far they may fall. Small clubs don't build stadiums, like Tottenham's either.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
Rangers and Celtic are huge global clubs without winning many Europeans titles.
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I will cede to you on that. "Big" clubs to me (and yes, there is a difference between globally and nationally, like you brought up with the Irish club) are clubs that are consistently still competing for trophies at the top level in their country.

I would call Celtic and Rangers 'big' clubs - maybe not globally to the extent you are, as this seems to be based off global fanbase, in which instance there's a lot more big clubs than you'd be giving credit for. But I would still call Celtic and Rangers big clubs. But - also - clubs aren't always big clubs. Just having a big stadium doesn't make you a big club, it's consistent success.
 
NicCarBel said:
I will cede to you on that. "Big" clubs to me (and yes, there is a difference between globally and nationally, like you brought up with the Irish club) are clubs that are consistently still competing for trophies at the top level in their country.

I would call Celtic and Rangers 'big' clubs - maybe not globally to the extent you are, as this seems to be based off global fanbase, in which instance there's a lot more big clubs than you'd be giving credit for. But I would still call Celtic and Rangers big clubs. But - also - clubs aren't always big clubs. Just having a big stadium doesn't make you a big club, it's consistent success.
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In your opinion only, of course.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
In your opinion only, of course.
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HonestSpursFan said:
In Scotland? Yeah. Worldwide? Nah. Where do you draw the line in the sand? Are Ba FC considered big with their 71 trophies across Fijian football?
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I guess based off the metrics he was saying before, Brighton are a bigger club then Celtic and Rangers...

www.sportbible.com

Top 25 most supported clubs in world football revealed after huge survey and fans can't believe the rankings

A survey to determine the most supported club in the world has been completed, and the results have shocked fans.
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HonestSpursFan said:
In Scotland? Yeah. Worldwide? Nah. Where do you draw the line in the sand? Are Ba FC considered big with their 71 trophies across Fijian football?
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So, the people that matter, have no clue, but some wee skippy does.

Stick to what you know, not what you think you know.

That link you posted is about as creditable as you. You only live off the internet it seems.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
So, the people that matter, have no clue, but some wee skippy does.

Stick to what you know, not what you think you know.

That link you posted is about as creditable as you. You only live off the internet it seems.
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It's very clear that clubs are measured off success, not just money and fan metrics. The link isn't credible, because it links up to your claim.

Tottenham are not a big club in 2026. That's the moral of the story. They have not been a big club since... pheeesh, before I started following football 25-odd years ago. Sure, there was a period where they were knocking on the door (with Kane in his prime), but if we're going to count that as big club status, Leicester City are a big club - and then well... that makes almost the top 3 tiers of England full of big clubs.
 
NicCarBel said:
It's very clear that clubs are measured off success, not just money and fan metrics. The link isn't credible, because it links up to your claim.

Tottenham are not a big club in 2026. That's the moral of the story. They have not been a big club since... pheeesh, before I started following football 25-odd years ago. Sure, there was a period where they were knocking on the door (with Kane in his prime), but if we're going to count that as big club status, Leicester City are a big club - and then well... that makes almost the top 3 tiers of England full of big clubs.
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25 years, you say, end of conversation.
 
NicCarBel said:
Not a big club.

What are Spurs after Ange? Still not a big club.

Absolutely agree with you that Spurs WERE one of the big 4. Now they aren't, consistently. Not just a year or two out like United and Liverpool and Arsenal, but consistently.
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i tend to agree with that sutho, Chelsea and Man City are only considered big since there take overs.

I'd have Newcastle as a bigger club.
 
Beretta said:
i tend to agree with that sutho, Chelsea and Man City are only considered big since there take overs.

I'd have Newcastle as a bigger club.
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Not in disagreement with that either - but moreso over the "you're always a big club" mantra
 
Sutherlandbear said:
Chelsea supporters donā€™t give a fuck about their conference trophy , nor do WHU either. The champions league is where the real bragging rights are at. Look at all the empty seats when the big boys play in the lower European leagues.
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West Ham winning the Conference League was massive for them. Of course they aspire to more but for the club to go all the way in that tournament had the fans gripped all season.
 
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