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Promotion and Relegation is vital for Football in Australia

LFC said:
Yet the semi pro clubs still kick on go figure.
They also are racist towards the ethnic clubs re trouble but talk about pot calling kettle black !
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Yep bingo

In real talk though - it can be done with some middle ground. We don't need a salary cap. Maybe a soft salary floor.
The way I would work this is (and I'm making numbers up here just to show how it would work - I know the numbers are way off) kind of just minimum per player, minimum squad size, and that's what the Broadcast Package supplies.

Eg, Minimum player salaries of $100k, and minimum squad sizes of 20 players. Ergo, $2m salary floor. If clubs want to go over, that's on them.
 
NicCarBel said:
Yep bingo

In real talk though - it can be done with some middle ground. We don't need a salary cap. Maybe a soft salary floor.
The way I would work this is (and I'm making numbers up here just to show how it would work - I know the numbers are way off) kind of just minimum per player, minimum squad size, and that's what the Broadcast Package supplies.

Eg, Minimum player salaries of $100k, and minimum squad sizes of 20 players. Ergo, $2m salary floor. If clubs want to go over, that's on them.
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Football is a business, and as such no one should be telling them how much they can spend on players or anything else for that matter. Get the salary cap to fuck. If teams go belly up, then so be it, the rest of the world has done well for over 100 years without one.
 
Agree NCB.
Middle ground importantly.
We have gone from semi pro in good sized grounds though some lacking better services to the oversized stads those 2 bigger codes can afford due to their massive broadcast deals.
The new drawers can’t stomach or accept theirs is not sustainable and look down on semi pro leagues - go figure they are not allowed to in the first place semi pro is semi pro - apples and pears.
It’s just sheer narrow mindedness.
It’s like you have the bricks to build a good stable building but no one is willing to get their hands dirty but good at being foreman.
Yes Sutho business is business but you need resource and numbers in case of hard times and re shuffle the deck.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
Football is a business, and as such no one should be telling them how much they can spend on players or anything else for that matter. Get the salary cap to fuck. If teams go belly up, then so be it, the rest of the world has done well for over 100 years without one.
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That would be my preference as well.

Issue is - we need some sort of stability in the A-League/top flight here, that players - should they be unable to find a club overseas - can make a career here to make sure the league stays established. Unfortunately the game isn't as financially stable here as it is overseas - but yet, as @LFC noted, it's the Semi Pro clubs that have stuck around (without any limits, caps, etc).

If we were in the middle of Europe - absolutely, the salary cap can fuck right off. If A-League and Football were as big as NRL and AFL here - again, absolutely, the salary cap can fuck right off. But there is a need in this country for some balance, and a feather here or there could tip it the right (or wrong) way.
 
LFC said:
Agree NCB.
Middle ground importantly.
We have gone from semi pro in good sized grounds though some lacking better services to the oversized stads those 2 bigger codes can afford due to their massive broadcast deals.
The new drawers can’t stomach or accept theirs is not sustainable and look down on semi pro leagues - go figure they are not allowed to in the first place semi pro is semi pro - apples and pears.
It’s just sheer narrow mindedness.
It’s like you have the bricks to build a good stable building but no one is willing to get their hands dirty but good at being foreman.
Yes Sutho business is business but you need resource and numbers in case of hard times and re shuffle the deck.
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You guys are indoctrinated with salary cap nonsense. You hate everything about America sport, but you seem to endorse their salary cap.

If a small country like Scotland, can support more than 40 professional teams without a cap for over 150 years, then why can’t Australia with more than five times the population?
 
Sutherlandbear said:
You guys are indoctrinated with salary cap nonsense. You hate everything about America sport, but you seem to endorse their salary cap.

If a small country like Scotland, can support more than 40 professional teams without a cap for over 150 years, then why can’t Australia with more than five times the population?
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NicCarBel

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Sutherlandbear said:
Football is a business, and as such no one should be telling them how much they can spend on players or anything else for that matter. Get the salary cap to fuck. If teams go belly up, then so be it, the rest of the world has done well for over 100 years without one.
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That would be my preference as well.

Issue is - we need some sort of stability in the A-League/top flight here, that players - should they be unable to find a club overseas - can make a career here to make sure the league stays established. Unfortunately the game isn't as financially stable here as it is overseas -...
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Sutherlandbear said:
You guys are indoctrinated with salary cap nonsense. You hate everything about America sport, but you seem to endorse their salary cap.

If a small country like Scotland, can support more than 40 professional teams without a cap for over 150 years, then why can’t Australia with more than five times the population?
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I hear you but I don’t think this outpost could manage handle going all out like that now.
There is too many barriers and fear of god in all governance and pro clubs mindsets.
The semi pros and below could kick off as such but the above won’t go naked Sutho if you know what I mean.
 
NicCarBel said:
NicCarBel

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Sutherlandbear said:
Football is a business, and as such no one should be telling them how much they can spend on players or anything else for that matter. Get the salary cap to fuck. If teams go belly up, then so be it, the rest of the world has done well for over 100 years without one.
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That would be my preference as well.

Issue is - we need some sort of stability in the A-League/top flight here, that players - should they be unable to find a club overseas - can make a career here to make sure the league stays established. Unfortunately the game isn't as financially stable here as it is overseas -...
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On your last sentence, I wouldn’t be too sure about that. A lot of countries live just above the breadline, year after year.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
On your last sentence, I wouldn’t be too sure about that. A lot of countries live just above the breadline, year after year.
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And how many of them have other sports taking away that bread from them though?

If I really wanted to put my method into place, it would be 21 players @ $50k a piece. I believe that works out to just over $1m. If a club in the top division can't survive off that as the bare minimum, then that's on them.

Bottom line is we - in Australia - need some sort of fallback to keep the league there. I don't care about competitive equality and the bullshit that comes from a salary cap. A VISA cap can do that if it must. But with our league competing with NRL, AFL and Rugby Union for dollars (which your beloved Scotland doesn't have to compete with), we need that fallback. What would be the total wage amounts for a Scottish second division club on average do you think? That will guide where this discussion is going. Anything more than $1m, then my idea has more merit than you think.
 
NicCarBel said:
And how many of them have other sports taking away that bread from them though?

If I really wanted to put my method into place, it would be 21 players @ $50k a piece. I believe that works out to just over $1m. If a club in the top division can't survive off that as the bare minimum, then that's on them.

Bottom line is we - in Australia - need some sort of fallback to keep the league there. I don't care about competitive equality and the bullshit that comes from a salary cap. A VISA cap can do that if it must. But with our league competing with NRL, AFL and Rugby Union for dollars (which your beloved Scotland doesn't have to compete with), we need that fallback. What would be the total wage amounts for a Scottish second division club on average do you think? That will guide where this discussion is going. Anything more than $1m, then my idea has more merit than you think.
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Football not being the main sport shouldn't affect relegation in football if that's what you mean. Finland has relegation in football despite ice hockey being the main sport, as does Lithuania in football despite basketball being the main sport. Fun fact those are two of only a handful of European countries where football isn't the main sport.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Football not being the main sport shouldn't affect relegation in football if that's what you mean. Finland has relegation in football despite ice hockey being the main sport, as does Lithuania in football despite basketball being the main sport. Fun fact those are two of only a handful of European countries where football isn't the main sport.
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It should affect relegation - correct.
Lithuania and Basketball - I suspect that clubs are linked (like they are across much of Europe), so that might offset any financial issues.
Finland and Ice Hockey - would be an interesting one to look at how much money is in the country via football.
 
NicCarBel said:
And how many of them have other sports taking away that bread from them though?

If I really wanted to put my method into place, it would be 21 players @ $50k a piece. I believe that works out to just over $1m. If a club in the top division can't survive off that as the bare minimum, then that's on them.

Bottom line is we - in Australia - need some sort of fallback to keep the league there. I don't care about competitive equality and the bullshit that comes from a salary cap. A VISA cap can do that if it must. But with our league competing with NRL, AFL and Rugby Union for dollars (which your beloved Scotland doesn't have to compete with), we need that fallback. What would be the total wage amounts for a Scottish second division club on average do you think? That will guide where this discussion is going. Anything more than $1m, then my idea has more merit than you think.
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Australia has more than five times the Population of Scotland, so you should have plenty of money in comparison

The SPFL competes with the EPL & the EFL for pounds, as well as both codes of Rugby. All five are on Sky, BT sports and Premier sports.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Just a random thought: since we know some people (*cough* Redditors *cough*) hate the Championship/NPL/old NSL clubs, what would they think of an expanded A-League with pro/rel and thus ex-NSL clubs (including ethnic clubs) came into the league?

Matter of fact is that partly why Championship/NPL haters don’t think pro/rel is possible or disagree with it entirely? Just a random thought.
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The are certainly missing a trick if they dont select a Croatian or Albanian club to promote on this series......
 
NicCarBel said:
It should affect relegation - correct.
Lithuania and Basketball - I suspect that clubs are linked (like they are across much of Europe), so that might offset any financial issues.
Finland and Ice Hockey - would be an interesting one to look at how much money is in the country via football.
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Not sure but football is overtaking ice hockey among the younger generations in Finland (though Finland will still be excellent at hockey as it'll still be the biggest winter sport). Finnish teams are usually pretty crap in Europe, though KuPS did alright. They drew away with Palace despite being a player down which was hailed as a huge result for Finnish football.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Not sure but football is overtaking ice hockey among the younger generations in Finland (though Finland will still be excellent at hockey as it'll still be the biggest winter sport). Finnish teams are usually pretty crap in Europe, though KuPS did alright. They drew away with Palace despite being a player down which was hailed as a huge result for Finnish football.
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Not sure how or why any of this matters? We proport to have over 1 million football participants in Australia, let alone fans of the sport, Finland has a population, just scratching 5 million.... a massive rural geographic spread and STILL manage to have 4 national interconnected divisions...

ALL the excuses in the world lead to one thing.. APL franchises do NOT want devaluation on their investment and by controlling the football congress here they will NEVER allow it to happen.

If people keep truing up to ALeague games NOTHING will ever change.... If you are all happy with the status quo, fine, but if not, vote with your wallets.

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Monoethnic Social Club said:
Not sure how or why any of this matters? We proport to have over 1 million football participants in Australia, let alone fans of the sport, Finland has a population, just scratching 5 million.... a massive rural geographic spread and STILL manage to have 4 national interconnected divisions...

ALL the excuses in the world lead to one thing.. APL franchises do NOT want devaluation on their investment and by controlling the football congress here they will NEVER allow it to happen.

If people keep truing up to ALeague games NOTHING will ever change.... If you are all happy with the status quo, fine, but if not, vote with your wallets.

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That's what I'm tryna say: if Finland can have a functioning pyramid with less people than Australia then Australia can too.

Though a correction on the rural demographic thing: 30% of Finns live in Helsinki and about 86% live in urban areas in general.
 
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