Monoethnic Social Club
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You're the one who did it. You could have clarified properly rather than doubled down, but go with the latter. I'm sick of people gaslighting by saying, "that's not what I meant" or "I didn't say that".
That's the problem. Islamism is a term created by those who wish to conflate Islam = violence. Islamaphobia has been on the rise since. The Islamic school in Brisbane was recently involved in a bomb threat and full scale evacuation. How is Islamism equivalent to Zionism? They are two different things. Zionism is a very clear ideology that states its aims and philosophy. It is not Judaism. The same people who will have you believe that Islam is violent, will have you believe that being against Zionism is being against Judaism. Absolutely wrong. I'm not shrinking my understanding, I'm telling you what you are doing. By simplifying it as "Islamism" you are making this a war perpetuated by Islamic ideals. No, I would not justify the killing of Syrian Christians. Muslims all across the globe were against the reign of Al-Assad. That man was a proper tyrant.
Wow. Your language is very intentional here. It's very akin to the same way many media outlets phrase things to catch people out. And you claim social media as gullible.
1. By it's very definition, no it was not a genocide. It was a war crime.
2. Much of the claims you have made here have been debunked.
3. THE WAR DID NOT START ON OCTOBER 7!!!!!!!!!!!
October 7: Forensic analysis shows Hamas abuses, many false Israeli claims
Investigation draws up a list of those killed but also finds certain claims repeated by Israeli politicians untrue.www.aljazeera.com
Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago (Published 2023)
A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.www.nytimes.com
Israeli major disinformation and lies since October 7 - PIPD
www.thepipd.com
There is honestly nothing you can say that will get me to not call what Israel is doing a genocide. We are complicit. Whilst we sit here, thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians continue to be killed by the IDF. Gaza continues to be starved. Israel continues to carry out its apartheid rule, and they have been doing this well before October 7, well before you and I were born.
Thank you ... from your robust defence (with articles even) I at least gleaned a response to my simple question and I agree with you...
1. By it's very definition, no it was not a genocide. It was a war crime.
Genocide, my friend is a systematic attempt to wipe out a WHOLE race of people... pretty heady stuff indeed.
Now I have heard one side propose "Death to Israel", "Death to US", "From the River to the Sea Palestine will be free (of Jews I assume?)" but I can honestly say I havent heard the same rhetoric from the Israeli side... Sure the illegal settlements are criminal, Sure blocking aid and bombing hospitals and using whatever murderous means they use to secure what they perceive is security is absolutely horrifying but I havent come across some underlying attempt to commit genocide... Killing civilians while trying to strike at another country is exactly what every single other combatant is doing at this very moment all around the world.. Its is EXACTLY what Hamas, the Palestinian Authority and PLO before them did for decades sending makeshift rockets over the wall into Israel for example.... WAR CRIMES, not genocide, get it?
I agree with you language is important and what it does is turn mild mannered people, who are generally well meaning, into rabid haters of one thing or another.... When 9/11 happened the world turned anti-Muslim almost overnight remember....People who had never even heard of Islam labelled EVERYONE that follows your religion as a terrorist, remember?
Thats not to say I dont believe there are elements within the IDF and Isreali government that wouldn't be happy if all the Arabs in the area suddenly disappeared - trust me there is absolutely NO sympathy from me for Isreal (or their US puppets) in ANY of this, despite what you think...
BTW the "debunked" narratives and the "outrage" narratives from BOTH sides are skewed bullshit propaganda from both sides and I would have thought an educator would see through both sides of the debate? The poor people of Gaza are being used to drum up support for one side or the other and ultimately THEY are paying the price for this "moral" victory... As much as I dont buy one side of it I don't buy the other.. You might feel western guilt that we are complacent in supporting this war, but we have had 100 years of being supportive of even nastier ones.... some not even as long ago as the Genocide you claim has been happening long before we were both born.
I come at this conversation from a place of respect for your religion and for both peoples in this conflict. My wish is that this all ends tomorrow and a resolution can be found ... I dont hold any hope, but yet I still hope.
