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On the subject of this here Israel. I read a report somewhere that three days after the 7 October massacre, Netanyahu made a strategic decision to go methodically piece by piece against each component of the Iranian axis - Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, the Assad regime and finally Iran and its nuclear programme and its tens of thousands of ballistic missiles most of which are aimed at the Jewish State.....


Incredibly, there are still regime propagandists in the West who peddle the lie that Iran’s nuclear programme is for the development of energy, not weapons. Does anyone seriously think that the Iranian regime – whose stated goal is to commit genocide against Israel and others – has spent tens of billions of dollars building one of the world’s most heavily fortified sites buried deep under a mountain, in which far more uranium has already been enriched than could possibly be needed for civil purposes, for any other reason than to build nuclear weapons?


Nup. Israel isn't perfect by any means, their clumsiness in trying to eliminate Hamas in Gaza has been there for the whole world to see but love him or hate him nobody can say Netanyahu has been anything other than decisive in protecting the Jewish State of Israel against its numerous enemies.
 
And secondly there's been an awful lot of talk about 'regime change' in Iran

Well I have no problems with dropping a load of bombs on Iran if need be but I wouldn’t support an attempt at ‘regime change’ in. It would be an undertaking of enormous expense in terms of lives and money and, more importantly, it would not work. It could provoke the Iranians to hunker down with their current administration and if regime change were to occur, it would almost certainly be for the worse. In short, Iran would be left in the hands of a group of people whose animosity towards Israel and the West would be greater. Those cranes for hanging homosexuals would probably increase in number. Probably by a factor of 10. From what I understand the current crop of leaders in Iran might want to eliminate every Jew on the planet by decree but they are reasonably liberal in terms of the LGBTQi at least by 'evangelist' Islamic standards.
 
Mossad infiltrated Iranian nuclear sites ‘years ago’
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Glenn Close played an undercover Mossad agent in the TV series Tehran
Israeli spies infiltrated the heart of Iran’s missile and nuclear programmes for years to assess that Tehran’s weapons-building infrastructure was more extensive than previously thought.

Leaked intelligence documents shared with western allies, including the US and Britain, and seen by The Times, appear to reveal the full extent of Iran’s nuclear and missile ambitions.

The conclusion of Israel’s spy agency, Mossad, as well as other military intelligence arms, was that the regime was racing ahead in capability, knowledge and components and that the nuclear programme was far more extensive than seen at the main sites at Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan.

An intelligence source told The Times yesterday that Israel had been monitoring multiple locations through intelligence agents for years and that each location had “boots on the ground beforehand”. Israel began preparing its attack on Iran as early as 2010 using remote intelligence gathering and information from agents on the ground.

The documents were leaked amid conflicting reports about the damage caused to nuclear sites during the 12- day war. While President Trump said the Fordow site had been obliterated by American bunker-buster bombs, some experts suggested that residual stocks of enriched uranium and manufactured centrifuges may yet be able to produce a nuclear weapon.

Israel’s operation was based on intelligence that identified the production of centrifuges — instruments used to enrich uranium — at three sites in Tehran and Isfahan. All were destroyed by Israel.

The attacks also focused on seven separate components in the Natanz facility, Iran’s main enrichment site. Intelligence officers used spies on the ground to map the layout of Natanz, identifying overground and underground buildings involved in the piping, feeding and solidification of uranium. It also attacked the electricity infrastructure, a research and development building, the transformer station, and the generator structure to back up the electric grid. The attack also hit ventilation and cooling ducts.

Israel also infiltrated, attacked and destroyed a facility in Isfahan, the Nur and Mogdeh laboratories, the Shariati military site and a large hangar at Shahid Meisami, which manufactured plastic explosives used for testing nuclear weapons and other advanced materials and chemicals. Many of these sites were set up by the SPND, an umbrella organisation fathered by Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, an Iranian nuclear physicist who was assassinated in 2020 with a satellite-controlled machine gun — allegedly by Israel.

The documents also point to the infiltration of the headquarters of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), which was attacked in the later days of the war, and of nuclear sites such as the Sanjarian, which developed components involved in the creation of nuclear weapons, according to Israel.

By the end of last year, Iran had moved from the research stage of weaponisation to creating an advanced explosive and radiation system, running experiments and leading to nuclear capability “within weeks”, according to the report.

The scale and detail of the assessment points to years of intelligence gathering, which may still be going on.

“You know they have guys that go in there after the hit, and they said it was total obliteration,” Trump told reporters at the Nato summit in the Hague — suggesting that spies are still on Iranian soil.

Israel’s deep infiltration of Iran was revealed as far back as 2010, when an Iranian nuclear scientist was assassinated in daylight. Four others have since been assassinated.

The latest documents seen by The Times state that Iran was aiming to produce dozens of long-range, surfaceto-surface missiles a month, growing to up to 1,000 a year and with a reported aim of a stock of 8,000 missiles. Experts estimate that Iran began the war with 2,000-2,500 ballistic missiles.

Agents in Iran visited every workshop and factory that were later attacked, enabling Israel to target “the entire industry that supported the manufacturing of large amounts of missiles”, according to an intelligence source cited in the documents.

One such site was Muad Tarkivi Noyad in Rasht, on the Caspian Sea coast, which operated under the auspices of the Iranian Aerospace Industry Organisation. According to Israeli intelligence, the site produced carbon fibre needed to for missiles. It too was destroyed by Israeli bombs.

Israel’s methods of recruitment, including that of Iranian insiders, are a closely guarded secret and inspired the Apple TV spy thriller series, Tehran, starring Glenn Close. One of Mossad’s most famous heists within Iran was the seizure of Iranian nuclear archives from a giant safe in 2018. The top-secret documents were later used as a basis to convince Trump to pull out of the 2015 nuclear deal.
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The mounting 'spy paranoia' amongst the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps must be off the scale.....

According to one report I read on CNN, Iran's intelligence ministry has issued guidelines asking citizens to report neighbours who wear "masks, hats and sunglasses, even at night" and those who receive "frequent package deliveries by courier,"
 
Football us life said:
The mounting 'spy paranoia' amongst the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps must be off the scale.....

According to one report I read on CNN, Iran's intelligence ministry has issued guidelines asking citizens to report neighbours who wear "masks, hats and sunglasses, even at night" and those who receive "frequent package deliveries by courier,"
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Fark. Teheran Temu girls are going to have issues.
 
In Saturday's New York Times International edition there was an article suggesting that at the recent NATO meeting Ukraine's plight has slipped down the list of priorities....

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Why Ukraine Fell Down the Agenda at the NATO Summit

Russia’s invasion has dominated previous meetings, but keeping President Trump happy was the focus at the gathering this week. Ukraine was largely shunted to the sidelines.
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Football us life said:
Marriage is allowed under Sharia Law once the girl reaches puberty.

If a girl as young as 12, 13 or any age up to 16 is going to be married to an adult male then that is, as far as I'm concerned forced.

If the marriages are consummated then that is statutory rape but under Sharia Law if the girl has reached puberty it's not.

Sicko's...
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So you are now making assumptions based on your own views and ideals. What's to say that the girl who is 16 did not agree to the marriage? You don't know the values and ways of other people. Puberty is not the only determining factor under Sharia Law. If any of the other factors are not met, then marriage cannot happen. Puberty is also defined as no less than 16, so stop spreading lies with your 12 and 13 years.

You are clearly an Islamaphobe with very little understanding of Islamic principle and ideals. You harp on about anti-semitism but are quite ready to have a go at Islam and it's followers. For years, muslims have to keep defending ourselves, and the flames are stoked so muh that eventually it ends up in situations like Christchurch, yet we are the problem.

I'm sick of people like you doing this. Treating us like sub-class citizens when you have no understanding of the religion. Taking talking points from right wing haters who only want to sow discord and disharmony, and fan the flames of hatred, and then claiming it to be gospel.
 
zimbos05 said:
So you are now making assumptions based on your own views and ideals. What's to say that the girl who is 16 did not agree to the marriage? You don't know the values and ways of other people. Puberty is not the only determining factor under Sharia Law. If any of the other factors are not met, then marriage cannot happen. Puberty is also defined as no less than 16, so stop spreading lies with your 12 and 13 years.

You are clearly an Islamaphobe with very little understanding of Islamic principle and ideals. You harp on about anti-semitism but are quite ready to have a go at Islam and it's followers. For years, muslims have to keep defending ourselves, and the flames are stoked so muh that eventually it ends up in situations like Christchurch, yet we are the problem.

I'm sick of people like you doing this. Treating us like sub-class citizens when you have no understanding of the religion. Taking talking points from right wing haters who only want to sow discord and disharmony, and fan the flames of hatred, and then claiming it to be gospel.
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Any discourse with a certain subset of people ALWAYS mentions the dissenting views "ilk" ......
 
Age:
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In the absence of clear physical signs, Sharia law often presumes puberty based on age. For boys, the minimum age is generally considered to be around 12 lunar years, with a maximum of 15-18 lunar years, while for girls, it's around 9 lunar years, with a maximum of 15-17 or 18 lunar years
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Football us life said:
Just because you don't agree with the marriage principles of Sharia Law and don't agree with an Islamist group like Hamas doesn't mean you're an Islamophobe.
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I'm labelling you as one because of the generalised statements you make that are completely false, but continue to peddle as fact, all to push an agenda. Couple that with the labels you place on Muslims.

In the absence of clear physical signs, Sharia law often presumes puberty based on age. For boys, the minimum age is generally considered to be around 12 lunar years, with a maximum of 15-18 lunar years, while for girls, it's around 9 lunar years, with a maximum of 15-17 or 18 lunar years
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source? once again, you are not a scholar of sharia
 
zimbos05 said:
I'm labelling you as one because of the generalised statements you make that are completely false, but continue to peddle as fact, all to push an agenda. Couple that with the labels you place on Muslims.
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And I'm labelling you an Anti-Semite because of the generalised statements you make are completely false but continue to peddle as fact, all to pushnan agenda..
 
Football us life said:
And I'm labelling you an Anti-Semite because of the generalised statements you make are completely false but continue to peddle as fact, all to pushnan agenda..
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Such as...

Just to clarify, my agenda is that I am an anti-genocide.
 
Football us life said:
"From the River to the Sea" is regarded by Jewish people as a trope of Antisemitism.
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Its regarded as anti-semitic by Zionists. Many Jews have chanted the slogan.

It is also very selective of them to call it anti-semitic as Zionists are not the only semites. Arabs are semites too.
 
Also from the Guardian an interesting read.....


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What is Hamas, the militant group that rules Gaza?

Administrator of Gaza’s health service and movement committed to the murder of Israelis – Hamas is many things
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The reality is Hamas is many things. While it runs Gaza’s health service, it is also a sinister organisation committed to the mass murder of Israelis. It administers the education service while its police have broken the bones of children caught wearing scarfs signalling family affiliation with the rival Fatah movement.

It runs the courts while, during the 2014 Gaza war, its forces abducted, tortured and murdered Palestinians accused of “collaborating” with Israel and others. It is unavoidably part of the fabric of the life in Gaza.
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In power, Hamas, which had built its appeal on lacking the corruption of its rival Fatah, proved to be brutal and often greedy. Senior figures were implicated in damaging pyramid schemes linked to the once-flourishing smuggling tunnels to Egypt.

Big villas appeared in its southern strongholds. Analysts would speak of a “black budget” which funnelled money to the military wing and powerful individuals.

The messaging from senior figures in the political bureau in this period was contradictory. As Yassin and his fellow founder Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi had done before their assassinations by Israel in 2004, Hamas leaders would suggest the possibility of a long cessation of hostilities with Israel – known as a hudna.

That would suggest they could be pragmatic. Whether it was real – a function of their brief experiment in democratic participation – the mask could also slip. The threat of violence against Israel, and Jews more widely, was never far from the surface
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