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JS96 said:
I don't think this is a western only aspect.

Only a few despots around the world have supported the Iranian regime. Like Venezuela there are disaporas around the world saying this is a chance to free themselves from those leaders. Those in Iran are celebrating this too and had been calling for outside help. Other Gulf states are fed up too.

Diplomacy has been tried and laughed off and while we may not think bombing is the way, there are very few options remaining
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I'm not defending the Ayatollah here. It just is always the case that when people make a point, they say, "according to the western world". So if the western world says it, then we must abide by it and take it as true? The US had Nelson Mandela listed as a terrorist until 2008.

Let's not forget, the US have bombed Iran in the past to install their own guy, and that didn't work out for them. When we talk about the US bombing a country, they are not doing so because they care about the people there, they are doing it because it only serves their interest. We've become so apathetic to history that we just ignore it and only focus on the now. A lot of the instability around the world is because of the US, and now they have Israel doing their bidding. Netanyahu has been saying Iran is weeks away from Nuclear weapons for the last 30 years. Israel refuses to submit it's nuclear programme though for scrutiny. It also has the Samson Option. You can't have that option if you don't have the weaponry for it.

So if the "western world" says something, forgive me if I take it with a pinch of salt.
 
Sharkman84 said:
Yet you choose to live in said western world, if you don't like the West you're free to leave. Unlike in communist or authoritarian states no one is forcing you to be here.
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I thought the western world championed democracy and free speech? Sounds like, "if you don't like it, leave" means that people only want conformity. Isn't that...communist and authoritarian?
 
zimbos05 said:
I thought the western world championed democracy and free speech? Sounds like, "if you don't like it, leave" means that people only want conformity. Isn't that...communist and authoritarian?
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Yeah it does but it doesn't mean you simp for terrorists who want to destroy the very values the western world was founded upon.

You came here from an authoritarian state to live in a democracy yet you want to shit on it.

If you don't like it here in a western democratic country you know where the airport is.
 
Sharkman84 said:
Yeah it does but it doesn't mean you simp for terrorists who want to destroy the very values the western world was founded upon.

You came here from an authoritarian state to live in a democracy yet you want to shit on it.

If you don't like it here in a western democratic country you know where the airport is.
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I'm not simping for anyone. I don't support the Ayatollah. I just don't like the US and Israel get to say they act for democracy, when that isn't the case. The values of colonisation, genocide, and theft? If you're going to say freedom because of the fight against Nazis, then those values have been shat on by the current leaders, who have become the very thing they say fought.

I'm also not "shitting on democracy", I'm exercising my right to free speech.

Also, nice of you to confirm that you are infact the authoritarian and communist.
 
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Sharkman84 said:
Yeah it does but it doesn't mean you simp for terrorists who want to destroy the very values the western world was founded upon.

You came here from an authoritarian state to live in a democracy yet you want to shit on it.

If you don't like it here in a western democratic country you know where the airport is.
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Arnt the values you are saying we hold in direct contradiction to what you are also demanding?
 
tsf said:
Arnt the values you are saying we hold in direct contradiction to what you are also demanding?
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So you're saying terrorist sympathisers shouldn't face consequences and just let them do what they want?
 
Sharkman84 said:
So you're saying terrorist sympathisers shouldn't face consequences and just let them do what they want?
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People are free to have opinions. Isn’t that a core value?

If someone supported Isis, I certainly wouldn’t grant them a visa, but one mean’s terrrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

Just watch the end credits of Rambo to see the hypocrisy of western ‘values’ and governments and to how quickly they change their mind about who is a terrorist.

I personally are suspicious on anyone who suppers violence. Left, right or centre.

Unless of course it’s violence against the state. That’s grouse.
 
tsf said:
People are free to have opinions. Isn’t that a core value?

If someone supported Isis, I certainly wouldn’t grant them a visa, but one mean’s terrrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

Just watch the end credits of Rambo to see the hypocrisy of western ‘values’ and governments and to how quickly they change their mind about who is a terrorist.

I personally are suspicious on anyone who suppers violence. Left, right or centre.

Unless of course it’s violence against the state. That’s grouse.
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What freedom was the Ayatollah fighting for?

That was a silly analogy mate.
 
zimbos05 said:
I'm not simping for anyone. I don't support the Ayatollah. I just don't like the US and Israel get to say they act for democracy, when that isn't the case. The values of colonisation, genocide, and theft? If you're going to say freedom because of the fight against Nazis, then those values have been shat on by the current leaders, who have become the very thing they say fought.

I'm also not "shitting on democracy", I'm exercising my right to free speech.

Also, nice of you to confirm that you are infact the authoritarian and communist.
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Nice gaslighting there.

If I was a communist I'd be saying you should go to gaol for your bullshit views.

But in a democratic society if one doesn't like it here they can leave of their own free will.
 
Sharkman84 said:
What freedom was the Ayatollah fighting for?

That was a silly analogy mate.
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You asked about terrorists.

I just said people can have opinions.

I am sure there are lots of people you know who support stuff that you wouldn’t like. Doesn’t mean these actively be involved in it.

Doesn’t mean they are a threat to you.
 
And from what I can tell Iran was attacked. They didn’t attack the USA. So to answer your question. He was fighting for nobody’s freedom. He’s just a fuckhead who oppresses people. Of which there are a lot of in this world.
 
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Sharkman84 said:
Nice gaslighting there.

If I was a communist I'd be saying you should go to gaol for your bullshit views.

But in a democratic society if one doesn't like it here they can leave of their own free will.
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As Winston Churchill quote 'implies that while democratic systems are inherently flawed, inefficient, and imperfect, they are still superior to dictatorships or totalitarian regimes'
 
Sharkman84 said:
Nice gaslighting there.

If I was a communist I'd be saying you should go to gaol for your bullshit views.

But in a democratic society if one doesn't like it here they can leave of their own free will.
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Nah. I think I'll stay. I also will exercise my right to free speech to say I don't agree with some of the policies of the western world.
 
A glimmer of hope for tourists in the Gulf region: Flights to Europe, including London and Paris, are departing again from Abu Dhabi airport.
 
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