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Socceroos vs Venezuela/ Colombia Nov 25

How should Australia do November?

  • European based camp

    Votes: 23 71.9%
  • Australian based camp

    Votes: 6 18.8%
  • Middle East based camp

    Votes: 2 6.3%
  • Nothing

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Total voters
    32
In short Popa-ball is solid if we have either wingbacks who can threaten isolated fullbacks or wingers who can operate in tight central areas.
There will be a lot more of this in the Socceroo/stats thread, but in the first half of Aus v Venezuela, of 8 balls played in the pen box, Goodwin played 4 of them. Most of them were very high quality too, particularly when he had sufficient time and space on the ball.

The first pen box ball, Toure read, but the others, although high quality, were not read by less experienced players, particularly Iran.

Goodwin is very experienced, and one of the smartest players Aus has ever had in the Socceroos. Iran and Toure are inexperienced ATM, and don't always anticipate quality, well weighted Goodwin balls played into space.

However, Rowles in the Left Wing Back position, is far more effective as a defender than Goodwin, or even Bos, in that position. Rowles reads where and when to make tackles and initiate contests, when to jockey, is very good aerially and has a high level of game sense to know where to run, when and where, defensively to keep the team shape compact defensively.

Of course Rowles doesn't offer what Bos, Goodwin and Behich do going forwards.

Haven't scrutinised Elder closely enough yet.
 
Qualities seen in newbies.

Elder - haven't had a good enough look - yet?

Okon Jr- good on the ball, passing and moving in tight spaces, with his left foot he passes well over range ( already). A few times he turned away from his close markers at the same time as receiving, retaining possession.

When he gets to 1v1 tackles and heading duels, or uses his body he is quite good for someone only aged 19 or 20. ATM though he doesn't know quite when to commit to a challenge, and when to jockey or hold team shape.

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Trewin - slick on the ball. ATM if Circati is as good, Trewin is the best CB technician on the ball we have. Fast handling speed from receiving and passing the ball on to a teammate. Two footed, uses two sides of the body well.
From what I've seen in the Ven game, first half, compiling stats closely, uses his body better than I though he would in heading , body on body 1v1s and tackling actions. Needs some more muscular bulk and weight training in the gym.

Also, what he does better than any other CB, is jockey, delay and show effectively. He is more nimble on his feet than most of our other CBs, apart from Geria.

Some of his 1 and 2 person defending combo with Deg, to hold up Col's Diaz?, was really good.

Plus he can play DM. Versatile.

Beach - is better as a sweeper than I thought he was with City. Anybody can see what a good shot stopper he is. Quite a surprise selection, but looks to have a long Socceroo future in his current form.
 
Now let's look at players he has refused to give a go.

Nisbet - whilst in SPFL, as the incumbent JWM.
Triantis - could have included in the team and blooded in the Indonesian match being 3 up for large chunks of it.
Devlin - current the in form DM in the SPFL.
Segecic- still the top scorer for Portsmouth besides being injured
Balard - not cap tied to Australia, besides being in the Eriedivise for 18 months.

But they managed to pick a coaches son that has 4 a-league games under his belt, for one assist.
No coach is going to select every player in contention, Huddo.

Degenek recently released a video, stating how some players just aren't committed to wearing a Socceroo shirt. He does not blame them for it. It is the way they feel. Triantis.

Nisbet - agree he should have been selected based on previous Roo form, but he has made poor club choices. Only playing in semi-pro Dutch league 2 - Eerste.

Scottish form often doesn't extrapolate to international football. Devlin has been tried before. He could have improved, but Popa will have tested him against his Socceroo teammates in training.
Boyle is a star in Scotland, scoring heaps of goals, but he is no star for the Roos against higher calibre opposition - Saudi, Indo, Japan, Kiwis, Canada, USA, Ven, Colombia. He is a flat track bully against weaker teams.

Balard- loves playing for the Socceroos. He has been a resounding Socceroo success story. France won't want him, given all their stars.
 
Yep and I think these are the players that would alleviate a lot of our issues but Popovic would stifle them anyway. It makes perfect sense. Popovic sees his system and these bokes as the wrong fit. That's probably correct. It' so frustrating we aren't drawing on our best. Robertson to be added here.
Robertson has impressed Popa on the training track, but he says Robbo is way behind on match fitness.
 
Irankunda is pretty quick, mate.

  • Recorded speed: In a 2022 A-League game, he reached a top speed of 37.02 km/h.
  • Premier League comparison: That speed was higher than any player in the English Premier League in the 2022/23 season, except for Kyle Walker.
  • Current club speed: In November 2025, he was reported as Watford's fastest player in the Championship, reaching a top speed of 36.34 km/h.
Great info. I stand corrected. I was of course neglecting Leckie, who was at his peak very very quick.
 
Great info. I stand corrected. I was of course neglecting Leckie, who was at his peak very very quick.
yer interesting stats

Top 10 fastest speeds by players in Premier League​

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Player​
[/th][th width="50.0585%"]
Top speed (km/h)​
[/th]​
[th width="50.0585%"]
Micky van de Ven (TOT)
[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
37.38​
[/td]​
[th width="50.0585%"]
Kyle Walker (MCI)
[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
37.31​
[/td]​
[th width="50.0585%"]
Jackson Tchatchoua (WOL)​
[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
37.30​
[/td]​
[th width="50.0585%"]
Micky van de Ven (TOT)
[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
37.23​
[/td]​
[th width="50.0585%"]
Micky van de Ven (TOT)
[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
37.12​
[/td]​
[th width="50.0585%"]
Chiedozie Ogbene (LUT)​
[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
36.93​
[/td]​
[th width="50.0585%"]
Anthony Elanga (NFO)​
[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
36.91​
[/td]​
[th width="50.0585%"]
Pedro Neto (WOL)​
[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
36.86​
[/td]​
[th width="50.0585%"]
Jakub Moder (BHA)​
[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
36.84​
[/td]​
[th width="50.0585%"]
Dominik Szoboszlai (LIV)​
[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
36.76​
[/td]​

Irakunda's as verrili quoted
  • A-League: 37.02 km/h (recorded in his first professional A-League start)
  • Bundesliga: 36.65 km/h (Bundesliga's fastest sprint speed last season)
  • Championship (Watford): 36.34 km/h (as of November 2025

Watching Ira once he got on later 2nd vs Col.
He was chasing but when you have sound capable backline like they had/have all the speed your still chasing ball - all comes down to his read and timing.
Young fella still got alot to learn of the arts and I really hope he gets there.
Winning ball in the opponents half always a chance it can turn to gold !
Especially if he has Toure reading/reacting to be an option once winning possession.
Got alot of faith on these 2 - but yer poppa ball makes it hard to picture.
 
No coach is going to select every player in contention, Huddo.

Degenek recently released a video, stating how some players just aren't committed to wearing a Socceroo shirt. He does not blame them for it. It is the way they feel. Triantis.

Nisbet - agree he should have been selected based on previous Roo form, but he has made poor club choices. Only playing in semi-pro Dutch league 2 - Eerste.

Scottish form often doesn't extrapolate to international football. Devlin has been tried before. He could have improved, but Popa will have tested him against his Socceroo teammates in training.
Boyle is a star in Scotland, scoring heaps of goals, but he is no star for the Roos against higher calibre opposition - Saudi, Indo, Japan, Kiwis, Canada, USA, Ven, Colombia. He is a flat track bully against weaker teams.

Balard- loves playing for the Socceroos. He has been a resounding Socceroo success story. France won't want him, given all their stars.

Attitude comes a long way which is why people chasing after people who are umming and ahhing as to what nationality they feel like being on any given week is a recipe for bad team morale in general. Who wants to play with a prima donna ? Team dynamics are very important.
 
yer interesting stats

Top 10 fastest speeds by players in Premier League​


[th width="50.0585%"]
Player

[/th][th width="50.0585%"]
Top speed (km/h)

[/th]
[th width="50.0585%"]
Micky van de Ven (TOT)

[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
37.38

[/td]
[th width="50.0585%"]
Kyle Walker (MCI)

[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
37.31

[/td]
[th width="50.0585%"]
Jackson Tchatchoua (WOL)

[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
37.30

[/td]
[th width="50.0585%"]
Micky van de Ven (TOT)

[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
37.23

[/td]
[th width="50.0585%"]
Micky van de Ven (TOT)

[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
37.12

[/td]
[th width="50.0585%"]
Chiedozie Ogbene (LUT)

[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
36.93

[/td]
[th width="50.0585%"]
Anthony Elanga (NFO)

[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
36.91

[/td]
[th width="50.0585%"]
Pedro Neto (WOL)

[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
36.86

[/td]
[th width="50.0585%"]
Jakub Moder (BHA)

[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
36.84

[/td]
[th width="50.0585%"]
Dominik Szoboszlai (LIV)

[/th][td width="50.0585%"]
36.76

[/td]​


Irakunda's as verrili quoted
  • A-League: 37.02 km/h (recorded in his first professional A-League start)
  • Bundesliga: 36.65 km/h (Bundesliga's fastest sprint speed last season)
  • Championship (Watford): 36.34 km/h (as of November 2025

Watching Ira once he got on later 2nd vs Col.
He was chasing but when you have sound capable backline like they had/have all the speed your still chasing ball - all comes down to his read and timing.
Young fella still got alot to learn of the arts and I really hope he gets there.
Winning ball in the opponents half always a chance it can turn to gold !
Especially if he has Toure reading/reacting to be an option once winning possession.
Got alot of faith on these 2 - but yer poppa ball makes it hard to picture.

Szoboszlai! That was a surprise. Quite a player.
 
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I've never been a stats man, i like to go on what I see. I thought both 9's were slow. This, in my opinion is caused by passing to the player. It seems to be the Ozzie way these days. Pass to where he is going to be, not where he is, may make them look faster
 
No coach is going to select every player in contention, Huddo.

Degenek recently released a video, stating how some players just aren't committed to wearing a Socceroo shirt. He does not blame them for it. It is the way they feel. Triantis.

Nisbet - agree he should have been selected based on previous Roo form, but he has made poor club choices. Only playing in semi-pro Dutch league 2 - Eerste.

Scottish form often doesn't extrapolate to international football. Devlin has been tried before. He could have improved, but Popa will have tested him against his Socceroo teammates in training.
Boyle is a star in Scotland, scoring heaps of goals, but he is no star for the Roos against higher calibre opposition - Saudi, Indo, Japan, Kiwis, Canada, USA, Ven, Colombia. He is a flat track bully against weaker teams.

Balard- loves playing for the Socceroos. He has been a resounding Socceroo success story. France won't want him, given all their stars.

I don't really care what Degenek says in relation to Popovic, his ethic affiliation means any defence is questionable. He's played one game in the last 2 months.

It doesn't matter how many players achievements you have tried to downplay here. Nothing changes the fact, he is experimenting with his mates son, in a position that we have Johny Warren Medalist and people in better leagues trying to fight for.

No one is asking him to pick "every player", just want to see him pick players off form ( also having more than 5 games in the a-league would help).
 
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I don't really care what Degenek says in relation to Popovic, his ethic affiliation means any defence is questionable. He's played one game in the last 2 months.

It doesn't matter how many players achievements you have tried to downplay here. Nothing changes the fact, he is experimenting with his mates son, in a position that we have Johny Warren Medalist and people in better leagues trying to fight for.

No one is asking him to pick "every player", just want to see him pick players off form ( also having more than 5 games in the a-league would help).
Mate the ethnics sticking up for their own kind is a bit much. Now we have nepotistic, ethnic loyalty first, doing it for his ego, pettiness about a GF loss, stubbornness. There must be some other reason why he does what he does right?

None of us see the training sessions to know who does well and who doesn't. No one watches any of these guys every week. The staff do. Everything we do here is just football manager style. This isn't to say the selections are always the right calls. But it isn't a conspiracy. He just doesn't rate your guy. That's all it is.
 
Mate the ethnics sticking up for their own kind is a bit much. Now we have nepotistic, ethnic loyalty first, doing it for his ego, pettiness about a GF loss, stubbornness. There must be some other reason why he does what he does right?

None of us see the training sessions to know who does well and who doesn't. No one watches any of these guys every week. The staff do. Everything we do here is just football manager style. This isn't to say the selections are always the right calls. But it isn't a conspiracy. He just doesn't rate your guy. That's all it is.
It is the reasons why he does not rate Nisbet that can be passionately questioned - without necessarily making his reasons wrong.

From what I have heard Nisbet had a lot of coaches 'not rate him' simply because of his physique. When someone gave him his chance he proved the rest wrong.

Popa obviously does not rate Nisbet and I think that is a blinkered and closed mind sort of rating - but it may simply come from Nisbet not being the type of player he wants. He is, after all, building a defensive, highly regimented system rather than a free flowing creative team. The strengths Nisbet brings to to the attack do not really suit playing in behind an isolated single forward like Popa tends to setup. Nisbet makes the various parts of a team work better in attack - that is not what Popa wants based on everything we have seen.

To use any attacking player like Nisbet effectively, Popa would either have to rejig his whole forward playing game into a cohesive attacking unit, or else jam Nisbet in a non-functioning role/position like he did when he had Irankunda out of position and have him come up useless.

I can understand why Popa does not play Nisbet and I deplore his reasoning.

As a side note - I acknowledge that Nisbet is also very good defensively even though I have concentrated on his attacking role here.
 
It is the reasons why he does not rate Nisbet that can be passionately questioned - without necessarily making his reasons wrong.

From what I have heard Nisbet had a lot of coaches 'not rate him' simply because of his physique. When someone gave him his chance he proved the rest wrong.

Popa obviously does not rate Nisbet and I think that is a blinkered and closed mind sort of rating - but it may simply come from Nisbet not being the type of player he wants. He is, after all, building a defensive, highly regimented system rather than a free flowing creative team. The strengths Nisbet brings to to the attack do not really suit playing in behind an isolated single forward like Popa tends to setup. Nisbet makes the various parts of a team work better in attack - that is not what Popa wants based on everything we have seen.

To use any attacking player like Nisbet effectively, Popa would either have to rejig his whole forward playing game into a cohesive attacking unit, or else jam Nisbet in a non-functioning role/position like he did when he had Irankunda out of position and have him come up useless.

I can understand why Popa does not play Nisbet and I deplore his reasoning.

As a side note - I acknowledge that Nisbet is also very good defensively even though I have concentrated on his attacking role here.
Indeed, Nisbet is excellent defensively which is why I think he could slot into Popa's system as one of the cm options. However, I don't see it happening. Nisbet's career - and his prospects of selection for the WC squad - took a turn for the worse when he made the ill-advised transfer to Ross County. He's never recovered.
 
Mate the ethnics sticking up for their own kind is a bit much.
Not least of all the fact Milos is of 🇷🇸 heritage whereas Popa is 🇭🇷; pretty sure they wouldn’t be bending over to have each other’s back at most things in life..💡
 
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