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Soccer Ashes thread

Interesting that we have zero input from our Aussie SMFC supporters on this thread. Do they really identify as Australians? Asking for a friend.
Ha ha!

South Melb are now going to represent Aus in what they deem to be a plastic comp in Oceania.

Usually Mono joins the Socceroo threads. I think he supports the Socceroos above Greece. I'm not sure about some of the others?

Not a bad run by Popa, SB? 9 games - 6 wins and 3 draws.
 
Oh well, here I'm about to post some positives about players most G and G posters love to vilify, and, some critiques of the Socceroo poster boys that identify a few flaws.

Team wise, it was very disappointing from the Roos in the first half.

However, the commentators, Robbie T and Andy H, didn't identify a few aspects of the game.

The Kiwis, like most of our recent opponents, played a high risk, high reward strategy of intensive Squeezing in our defensive half. Also, known as gegenpressing or Full Pressing and Intensive Squeezing. The aim was to force turnovers close to our defensive goal. It worked. The risk was if Aus played through the attacking and midfield lines there was a fair bit of space ceded in midfield - that could be exploited.

Bos's ball carrying and dribbling was effective at times at exploiting this space in accelerated attacks. There was too much in between the Kiwi defensive line and midfield line, or, the Kiwi defensive line was too high.

Most of the time with the relatively inexperienced Socceroos, the Kiwis game plan worked.

There were some interesting experiments by Popa.

Boyle - playing as a central striker, he has virtually no physical strength whatsoever, to contest body on body duels and hold the ball up - like Borello, Duke, Yengi and Mo Toure do.
Poor bloke is virtually useless as a central striker, apart from his diagonal runs and dummy runs to open viable passing lanes to support the the Aus ball carrier in possession. He needs to play wider on the flanks, where his tracking back and closing down of space is better in Ball Possession Opposition. Scoring regularly in the Scottish hoofball league doesn't extrapolate to international success. I think Hibs have had an early European exit.

Hrustic - in Ball Possession Opposition, he must be one of the weakest players we have had in the last decade in terms of causing turnovers from closing down space and winning body on body 1v1 duels.
On the ball shows flashes of brilliance. Despite him playing in the Eredivisie, he just doesn't work hard off the ball like fellow Dutch league players Bos and Balard.

Silvera - another quality technician, like Hrustic on the ball, but not a great ball winner in BPO. If he hadn't been injured I would have preferred Popa to play Silvera in the front three and taken Hrustic off. So to have both Hrustic on the right side of the front three and Silvera as a right wing back, gave us little ball winning impetus.

Defensive midfield - both Yazbek and Teague are inexperienced at international football. O'Neill ( inexplicably a scapegoat on this forum), as usual showed on the ball solidity in his metronomic both sides of the body proficiency two touch passing - receive with the left foot, pass with the right - receive with the right foot, pass with the left. His quick handling speed enables more security in possession.

Yazbek won some difficult hard balls, but he and Teague are too inexperienced and unfamiliar with each other, despite playing a bit at Aus U 23s, to have chemistry.

O'Neill organised players around him to assume better team defensive shape. O'Neill is also improving as a ball winner - where he is becoming dominant in 1v1s. A midfield enforcer.

As someone else has mentioned, TSF I think, Teague is a good technician on the ball, but is more one foot dominant than O'N - Teague's left.

Getting back to what Andy H and Robbie T did not identify. Usually, when teams commit to intensive Squeezing with Full Pressing, they run out of gas at the 60 min mark. They hope to have won the game by this point, then bring on a few subs.

Kiwis have improved immeasurably. Singh was excellent! My better half looked him up and he is playing in Serbia. Fast handling speed, neat on the ball, with good vision and execution.

The big Kiwi LB, De Vries, bullied Hrustic, Boyle and Silvera. Was too strong for them. It all changed when the bustling Mr Miller came on. Miller loves physical battles and has been developed in the very rugged and physical Scottish league!

Yes, Lewis commits the odd foul in dangerous places, but also wins plenty of hard balls against the opposition's best ball winners. Last night was no different. De Vries had a real battle on his hands against the rugged Miller.

The Kiwi CBs bullied Boyle. It all changed when Mo Toure came on and was a physical presence in 1v1s.

New G and G poster boy, Jordi Bos, made some superb runs on occasions. Brilliant! The only issue is what he does in between those runs? He makes more positional mistakes than JS96's idol, Aziz Behich.
Also, whereas Behich is more adept at playing to a teammates ' favourite foot, Bos often played to them, where they had to adjust so they were receiving with less than preferred ideal body shape.
Behich still has vastly superior game sense, but doesn't have Bos's ball carrying brilliance and athleticism. I almost wonder if Bos should be moved further forwards as a winger? Instead a player like Farrell could be the designated left back?

Circati - already probably Aus's best player - even with all fit and available. Could he be shifted centrally? A 3 person CB line of Geria- Circati- Souttar?

Izzo - have watched him a lot at club level, but can't remember which AL clubs he played for? Great shot stopping! Incredible saves against Wood, with two more fingertip saves. Not as good as distributor with ball on the deck as Ryan. Good debut.

Metcalfe - will have to have a good look on the stats collecting replay. Did good things, but watching live was not involved much. I'll no doubt see little things on the replay.

Aus - off the ball in BPO. Not sure why, but Popa never goes for the intensive Squeezing over a sustained period? He might apply it for short periods? It seems paramount for him for the team to hold team shape at all times in BPO.

Aus uses a Half Press with only moderate Squeezing. He uses the 3-4-3, 5-2-3, 5-4-1, formation in different parts of the pitch and whether Aus has possession or not. This means not swarming, with 2-3 players sprinting at 1 opponent to close him down and force a turnover, like our opposition has been doing to us. It gives them a lot of easy ball.

Yet again, Aus dominated in the last 20 mins and won the game. Aus finished over the top of the Kiwis.

Subs;

Unpopular G and G scapegoat, Miller, much more rugged than Silvera. Want the latter to play in the attacking line.

Unpopular G and G scapegoat, O'Neill, really strengthened the centre of midfield and won a lot of hard balls. Aus shape was better in attack and defence.

Toure - much better as central striker than Boyle. Physical presence. Notwithstanding, goal scoring ops. Provided assist to Balard (thanks Keeper).

Iran - G and G current media poster boy made some horrible defensive mistakes, but good on the ball. As many know, I love shorter players with low centre of gravity and who are nimble and quick on the turn. This is Iran in spades.

Milanovic - more effective than Hrustic. Better ball winner and more consistent on the ball, devoid of Hrustic's occasional brilliance.

Balard - looking forwards to replay to have a better look. Played one superb one touch pass under pressure to a teammate in a more defensive position.
Hope Pat J is reading this, because he thinks CCM players are hard done by from Socceroo coaches, but Balard's first touch in receiving from Iran's assist with what our former state TD calls a pivot turn, and Archie T calls a swivel turn, was brilliant - taking the ball away from his opponents and neatly slotting home that goal in the corner.
Max B looks pretty puny in the upper body ATM.

Love his attitude! MB said no matter how well he plays, he is determined to improve further at club level!

In 9 games, Popa now has 6 wins and 3 draws.

Kiwis were the better side for the first 70 mins. Just on those match stats, they deserved to win.
Agree with most of this although didn't notice any horrible defensive mistakes by Irankunda - Kiwis hardly had the ball after he came on.

Agree O'Neill did better than usual last night but he was playing against a tiring opposition who'd all but run out of gas. I think he's mostly been ineffective when he starts and not a patch on Balard.
 
Yes - I am reading and I have to say I agree with most of what you said in your post. As pointed out earlier and acknowledged by you it was Toure's assist.



And this is why Teague should not be in the national side, or at least in a Popovic national side. He is continually found out by teams that press hard which will likely be every team you meet at NT level - especially at a World Cup. I'm not sure about the Belgian league and his experience there but in the cooler months of the ALM when teams pressed more because of the lower temperatures his performance always dropped markedly.
At this stage I'd surmise ( without recently seeing as much of Balard), that he and Teague are similar in calibre.

I've coached that pivot turn that Balard did - a lot. Last night, MB chose the perfect time and place, in a crowded pen box, to use it. It was exquisite skill - executed in the perfect context.

Having said that, Teague has a very good left foot and is a decent ball winner. It will be interesting looking at the replay, assiduously compiling stats, but Popa prefers moderate squeezing to always keep the defensive shape compact, whereas many of our opponents have been content to risk losing team shape in BPO, to risk winning the ball in attacking third - close to the opposition goal. Our players have had to play under minimal time and space, over sustained periods. Usually in the first 60 mins.

Balard hasn't been subjected to it yet with the Socceroos. When he came on, the Kiwis were running out of gas. Notwithstanding, he scored a brilliant goal showing exquisite skill. I'm a big fan!
 
Agree with most of this although didn't notice any horrible defensive mistakes by Irankunda - Kiwis hardly had the ball after he came on.

Agree O'Neill did better than usual last night but he was playing against a tiring opposition who'd all but run out of gas. I think he's mostly been ineffective when he starts and not a patch on Balard.
The other thing I noticed is it looked like the NZ manager shifted to a back five when Irankunda came on which changed the dynamics of play.
 
The other thing I noticed is it looked like the NZ manager shifted to a back five when Irankunda came on which changed the dynamics of play.
Good ob, PJ.

Didn't look a the Kiwi formation at all. Just looked a their modes of pressing and squeezing. They certainly lost team shape though at times
 
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Agree with most of this although didn't notice any horrible defensive mistakes by Irankunda - Kiwis hardly had the ball after he came on.

Agree O'Neill did better than usual last night but he was playing against a tiring opposition who'd all but run out of gas. I think he's mostly been ineffective when he starts and not a patch on Balard.
Are you another CCM fan?

Haven't seen enough of the new Eredivise playing Balard yet, but I've compiled comprehensive stats. O'Neill is one of the current best in the Socceroos. He has a few years more experience than the young whiz gen of midfielders.

At Irvine's age, he is close to being finished as a midfielder. O'N could become the leader of central midfield.

Two others I rate highly, but have made bad recent club decisions, are Nisbet and Jake Hollman. To me they should both be in the Socceroo frame, given how they've performed relative to others in the AL, and in JH's case, the national U 23s. They are now both playing overseas in worse leagues than the AL.
 
Max is a very smart boy - both football wise and generally. Full time footballer and completed a full-time double degree at the same time. Circati and Max are my picks for the Socceroo captain over the next ten years.
I've just read about him.

Has earned 2 degrees whilst playing full time football - Economics and something else.

Smart boy, as well as a pro footballer who works hard.

I saw a long doco on CCM. Not sure how MB fitted in with the essentially bogan culture of CCM who led?

Matt Simon, the owner from Anytime Fitness, the blond Scottish striker who has left, and Chris Theoharos - every second word was f@#*!
 
I've just read about him.

Has earned 2 degrees whilst playing full time football - Economics and something else.

Smart boy, as well as a pro footballer who works hard.

I saw a long doco on CCM. Not sure how MB fitted in with the essentially bogan culture of CCM who led?

Matt Simon, the owner from Anytime Fitness, the blond Scottish striker who has left, and Chris Theoharos - every second word was f@#*!
Shock horror, people in 2025 swear a lot! It is not considered swearing anymore.
 
Shock horror, people in 2025 swear a lot! It is not considered swearing anymore.
Bofore I was a teacher I used to work on building sites and had labouring jobs. People swore a lot in the 60s and 70s in these settings too!

The women involved in the CCM club didn't swear at all on camera.

Maybe the young Millennial political activists I campaign with swear more than in the past?
 
I've just read about him.

Has earned 2 degrees whilst playing full time football - Economics and something else.

Smart boy, as well as a pro footballer who works hard.

I saw a long doco on CCM. Not sure how MB fitted in with the essentially bogan culture of CCM who led?

Matt Simon, the owner from Anytime Fitness, the blond Scottish striker who has left, and Chris Theoharos - every second word was f@#*!

Don't f@#*! believe everything you see!! We're as f@#*! couth as anyone!!

Danny Vukovic was the captain when Maxy and Cummings were here. That was a documentary done by I think Onion TV. They did a great series I believe called the Code when we won against WSW years ago. They spent as long here this time and interviewed a heap more people but unfortunately it became a vanity project for Richard Peil and actually painted him as a white knight. The hard work was done by the previous CEO and his staff on the admin side and Ben Cahn followed by Monty and Serge on the academy side and then the first team.

A lot of the CCM boys (Nisbet, Maxy, Farrell et al) can trace their time back to NPL2 days when they played together and dominated for a couple of seasons but were denied promotion because of Covid. Another of that era who has had a couple of ACL injuries is Brad Tapp. If he can stay injury free then he will probably be the standout player for us this season (we look like just making up the numbers this season).
 
Just don't understand the 3 at the back, we do this in America we will not be able to play through a decent press and get up field then setup attacks. It is not going to happen.

My assumption is Popa want's Cicarti, Burgess and eventually Souttar in that backline. You could say these 3 are playing at the highest level consistently when not injured.

Time to give Circati a go at DM then, he looks good when wandering into midfield... but you gotta give him games like this to adjust. Maybe a bit more of a technician next to him.

Just not sure how we get results in the WC, our luck will run out soon.
 
New G and G poster boy, Jordi Bos, made some superb runs on occasions. Brilliant! The only issue is what he does in between those runs? He makes more positional mistakes than JS96's idol, Aziz Behich.
Also, whereas Behich is more adept at playing to a teammates ' favourite foot, Bos often played to them, where they had to adjust so they were receiving with less than preferred ideal body shape.
Behich still has vastly superior game sense, but doesn't have Bos's ball carrying brilliance and athleticism. I almost wonder if Bos should be moved further forwards as a winger? Instead a player like Farrell could be the designated left back?
I have a different take on JBos' positional mistakes - something that I also saw when ADP was playing for SFC. Both JBos & ADP expect the receiving players to be on the move ready to go; and this is because they play(ed) in higher league. Tony Wood for NZ also had a similar issue. Given that Ballard is also playing in the Dutch league, I would expect that a JBos & Ballard combo would work well.

As for Silvera, I though he was a good average AL player and I could not see the love for him in G&G. The right side remains a weakness for the Socceroos.
 
So only 19k showed up for the match!, and they want a A-league team? The game was pretty much a farewell match for the Socceroo's as they wont be playing in Australia against until after the World Cup. #CanberraOut!
 
It’s as if you need a minimum of 15 years experience or 10 caps with 2 previous National Coaches to get a run in Popovic’s team.
3 players made their debut last night. One got a full game, one got 20 minutes and one got 5. I think the 20 should have been 30 and the 5 at least 20 but hopefully they (and a few others) get a decent run in the second game. It seems to me he preferenced players last night who have been around the squad for a bit over the newcomers and criticism for who he picks should be reserved for after the second match. These two matches (along with the North American ones) should be aimed at giving the players on the fringe (especially the younger ones) some decent game time before we concentrate on the players he wants for the world cup from the November window.
 
Izzo was great
His shot stopping was great. His distribution on short passes was good but I could count the number of times a longer clearance found a gold shirt on 2 fingers. Not sure if that's his fault or the players he was trying to find. I think he did enough to stake a strong claim to the backup keepers job.
 
His shot stopping was great. His distribution on short passes was good but I could count the number of times a longer clearance found a gold shirt on 2 fingers. Not sure if that's his fault or the players he was trying to find. I think he did enough to stake a strong claim to the backup keepers job.
His play with his feet was poor, but some (not all) of this was caused by poor quality passes to him or the passes putting him under immediate pressure.
 
His shot stopping was great. His distribution on short passes was good but I could count the number of times a longer clearance found a gold shirt on 2 fingers. Not sure if that's his fault or the players he was trying to find. I think he did enough to stake a strong claim to the backup keepers job.
Popovic seem to blame the players for this. He said they were playing back too much - not to change the point of attack but just to relieve pressure and Izzo had little choice but to lob it long.

TBH he has never been great with his feet but as a pure shot stopper he is pretty good. The two saves from Wood were excellent but I suspect that Wood would be disappointed that he didn't do better.
 
His play with his feet was poor, but some (not all) of this was caused by poor quality passes to him or the passes putting him under immediate pressure.
Possibly Gauci comes in for the second match? He has had one match with his loan I believe. His ability on the ball was a weakness as well so be interesting to see if it has improved.
 
Popovic seem to blame the players for this. He said they were playing back too much - not to change the point of attack but just to relieve pressure and Izzo had little choice but to lob it long.

TBH he has never been great with his feet but as a pure shot stopper he is pretty good. The two saves from Wood were excellent but I suspect that Wood would be disappointed that he didn't do better.
As I said to the person next to me at the game, a good save but a striker of that quality should really be scoring from there.
 
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