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Saudi's tactics v Australia 🇸🇦

grazorblade

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Watched the replay and I have to give credit to the Saudi manager. Even though on balance of chances we should have won, he really did his homework identifying our strengths and weaknesses

1) Forcing us to play out on our right flank.

This takes out some of our best attacking weapons. First Jordy Bos hardly saw the ball and souttar and Burgess both have deadly long passes that can unlock a defence. The latter was particularly important for Saudi to cut out, as they needed to play a high line to implement their high press. They also had a back up against Jordy Bos by putting the lightening quick Abdulhamid at rb in place of their usual Hamed.

So how did they force us to play out from the right flank? In setting u they would overload the middle and have more numbers defending their right side of the pitch than their left to tempt us to play through geria and miller. See for instance below (there were multiple examples of this)

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Then once the ball goes out to our right, they up the squeezing intensity. The in particular team to rush geria and gauci everytime they have the ball. Here is a photo of everyone rushing geria (just before the pass, the set u was asymmetric to cover the other side of the pitch)

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And here they rush gauci. Gauci has a good first touch but seems to like to change to his preferred foot sometimes which can get him in trouble if rushed. His long pass is also inaccurate and ineffective

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Compare this to when we successfully moved the ball away from the right sided pressing trap to the left side, they left us a butt load of space
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Or even if there were players around a player on the opposite flank they didn't swarm him. Burgess here is given time on the ball (after the photo, the players don't close)
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In the second half, Souttar and Burgess created 2 big chances with long passes which is a real threat from them. Geria, unfortunately does not have a dangerous long pass in him and our team is not technical enough to play a series of short passes through a pressing trap. Here is an example where Geria had a dangerous long range option available in Miller, but he doesn't see him. Despite having time on the ball, he does not scan the pitch
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In another case, Geria beats a player but does not see that they have left our left side unmarked
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2) Cut out our threat from the wings

When most teams defend deep, they either do 2 rows or 4 or a row of 5 with 3 in front of it. The second line covers zone 14 which is the central region just in front of the penalty area where your most creative players like to pull the strings. Australia has no zone 14 threat, even long range shots tend to be both rare and ineffective, and almost all of our attack against a deep block comes from the flank. Saudi had a backline of up to 8 and only 1-2 players defending the second line, almost always defending the half space rather than z14. This meant that any attack from the wings had to beat 4 players rather than 2 which completely nullified us

Screenshot 2024-11-15 at 8.56.40.pngOn the right, there was a single player defending the half space and 8 (1 off screen) defending the backline. This also meant that our aerial threat was nullified as they could double team any defender. Interestingly, they would commit an additional defender to the second line of defence when we went down our left. See for instance

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Perhaps this is a compliment to riley mcgree who is in form at club level.

3) Our threats on goal

In this match up we have 4 plausible avenues to goal
1) transitions resulting from excellent defensive work
2) set piece and aerial threat
3) long passes from souttar and Burgess
4) creative play on the flanks, occasionally using the half spaces

By tempting us to play out through our right hand side then swarming our players when we did they managed to successfully nullify our 3rd threat, but also turn over a lot of ball which nullifies our 2nd threat since we had little ball in Saudi's half. In the 2nd half we were able to better use Souttar and Burgess' distribution and bring this threat back. By avoiding the tradition 4-4-2 deep block formation for and 8-1-1 on the right flank or 6-3-1 when we were on the left flank, they nullified our threat from wings and were able to avoid any aerial threat by having more numbers in the middle. Saudi were not able to nullify the 1st threat - I think we are one of the best teams without the ball in the world and we might surprise people again if we get to the world cup. In the end we didn't take our chances and you have to applaud the tactics of Saudi arabia...
 
To clarify - I'm not saying Geria sucks. He rarely coughed up the ball despite being swarmed

I think they correctly identified our right hand side as a disfunctional unit to play out. If we play out through the left, Souttar/Burgess have 2 tecnicians in mcgree and bos to play through the lines and are both lethal with their long passes. If we play out through the right, the passing options are hrustic (good), irvine, O'niell and miller which means we cannot play through the lines and no one has the passing range to be threatening over the top

If we had a full strength team this wouldn't be a problem. Robbo or luongo gives a more technical passing option inside, metcalf and circati have a better passing range.
 
That's a really excellent analysis, thanks for posting. It explains what I've felt - that our right side is a weakness atm. Strain, Irankunda and Iredale are players that may also help us on that side.
 
That's a really excellent analysis, thanks for posting. It explains what I've felt - that our right side is a weakness atm. Strain, Irankunda and Iredale are players that may also help us on that side.
One thing we need to look out for is a right sided player that has an effective long pass. Its unlikely we drop irvine so it is going to be hard to play through traffic. It is then super important to have someone who can go over traffic without losing possession. Ill be keeping an eye out for this when watching a league and osaussies. Does strain have a good passing range?
 
Great analysis and the 4 chance creation situation are things that have been clear for a long tie but for the coaching staff and players. It really makes you wonder why we don't do it more.

Selections on the right side are poor and we need our best options. I'd also think Luongo would offer himself as an outlet with ease compared to Irvine.

Those straight lines of Saudi defence could be staggered with players who actually move in an out. Duke just runs a straight line. I think a movement map would show we're very static.

We'll do video analysis but in game Popovic needed to pick up on these things and find Saudi weaknesses.
 
Great analysis and the 4 chance creation situation are things that have been clear for a long tie but for the coaching staff and players. It really makes you wonder why we don't do it more.

Selections on the right side are poor and we need our best options. I'd also think Luongo would offer himself as an outlet with ease compared to Irvine.

Those straight lines of Saudi defence could be staggered with players who actually move in an out. Duke just runs a straight line. I think a movement map would show we're very static.

We'll do video analysis but in game Popovic needed to pick up on these things and find Saudi weaknesses.
Sofa score has a heat map

At first glance it seems to indicate that hrustic did not help the buildup on the right flank in contrast to mcgree who had plenty of touches in our half on the left hand side
 
One thing we need to look out for is a right sided player that has an effective long pass. Its unlikely we drop irvine so it is going to be hard to play through traffic. It is then super important to have someone who can go over traffic without losing possession. Ill be keeping an eye out for this when watching a league and osaussies. Does strain have a good passing range?
I'm not sure what Strains passing range is like. Can Metcalfe hit a long pass?

I know its not an option until its an option but Volpato would improve us on the right significantly.
 
Does the right forward (Hrustic v the Saudi's) in Poppas system need to be a midfielder? I feel like there are options that are more dangerous offensively. Though I'm not sure dropping back to present passing options are their forte. Would that bugger the system?
 
Or to ask another way, how would you define the right forward role in Poppas system? And what qualities do they need?
 
Sofa score has a heat map

At first glance it seems to indicate that hrustic did not help the buildup on the right flank in contrast to mcgree who had plenty of touches in our half on the left hand side
What I meant was a heat map or more a line that follows the exact path of players during individual plays. It'd be interesting to see who moves where. I watch scenes again and again and it comes off like a very bad American football play. All wrong.
 
Or to ask another way, how would you define the right forward role in Poppas system? And what qualities do they need?
It depends on the players around them

To play through a press, you need at least two forward passing options who are good at opening passing lanes and can keep the ball under pressure. That means that to play through the right we need 3 technicians on the right searching for the ball. Geria is one, but while miller, oniell and irvine are fine players who are great at openibg passing lanes they struggle to keep the ball under pressure. So hrustic becomes the only option but he isnt coming deep

The other option is to have a player with a good passing range to discourage a mindless press. Circati has that, but sadly geria doesnt. So this means that until circati returns we need the inside forward to track back and help in build up imo

Metcalf has a great long pass. Some of his best st pauli moments have been deadly long passes released quickly. The question is whether he will be trusted at rwb.

As long as we can neither work through the lines on the deck or have a good long passer on the right, we need our inside forward to be involved in distribution imo
 
I'm not sure what Strains passing range is like. Can Metcalfe hit a long pass?

I know its not an option until its an option but Volpato would improve us on the right significantly.
Havent taken note of volpatos work rate, but he would provide a threat through the middle. Hope he changes his mind (he has to eventually, surely. Doubt he could play for italy?)
 
in the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half vellupilay ran back to provide a passing option to geria about 5 times in the first 5 minutes which completely nullified saudi's pressing trap on geria. You imagine that Hrustic could be instructed to do a bit more work in this system?
 
Interesting work GB.
I remember looking at some analysis of our the 2014 world cup matches. Teams marked Spiranovic as soon as he received the ball and forced him to pass to Wilkinson because they knew he was the weaker in possession and were happy for him to have to make a pass into midfield. It's not even as if he was particularly poor on the ball, similar to Geria or Gauci, but at this level teams will identify anywhere they think they can exploit.

I haven't watched back the full match. Watching live it did seem like Bos rarely had opportunities and they wanted our outlet to be down the right side through Miller.
 
Interesting work GB.
I remember looking at some analysis of our the 2014 world cup matches. Teams marked Spiranovic as soon as he received the ball and forced him to pass to Wilkinson because they knew he was the weaker in possession and were happy for him to have to make a pass into midfield. It's not even as if he was particularly poor on the ball, similar to Geria or Gauci, but at this level teams will identify anywhere they think they can exploit.

I haven't watched back the full match. Watching live it did seem like Bos rarely had opportunities and they wanted our outlet to be down the right side through Miller.
Reckon spain in 2014 was the first time a top team put work into tactically preparing against us rather than just trusting their quality to get them through. Made for a really tough match!
 
Feel like Gauci should have more options in this scenario. With both O'Neill and Irvine coming back to receive balls should they provide more movement? Maybe Ryan comes back in? But Duke is hardly a good target man.
 
This is a very good analysis and shows how smart Reynard is as a coach.Miller did appear to be a main attacking outlet but Hrustic did not help him much by not dropping back.Yes Geria is a top defender and covers well but his passing is limited.Indeed I noticed that a lot of his passes were intercepted by Saudi players.

Velupillay was more willing than Hrustic to drop back and work with Miller.Miller did not look great in the first half even though he had a lot of the ball but with the Victory man playing ahead and inside him he did look more effective.If Velupillay cannot play against Bahrain then I think Caceres should start on that right side.

Bos did not see as much of the ball as Razorblade has illustrated but when he did and tried to raid up the left wing the Saudi RB contained him well
 
This is a very good analysis and shows how smart Reynard is as a coach.Miller did appear to be a main attacking outlet but Hrustic did not help him much by not dropping back.Yes Geria is a top defender and covers well but his passing is limited.Indeed I noticed that a lot of his passes were intercepted by Saudi players.

Velupillay was more willing than Hrustic to drop back and work with Miller.Miller did not look great in the first half even though he had a lot of the ball but with the Victory man playing ahead and inside him he did look more effective.If Velupillay cannot play against Bahrain then I think Caceres should start on that right side.

Bos did not see as much of the ball as Razorblade has illustrated but when he did and tried to raid up the left wing the Saudi RB contained him well
Vellupilay came back and recieved a short pass from geria maybe 4 to 5 times in the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half which killed the saudi press. Dont recall him giving the ball away much either. Completely changed the game.
 
Fantastic work, Grazor!

Thanks a bunch for doing this. It is very interesting to read with the accompanying diagrams. I've been away since the game was played and haven't looked at a replay yet.

Interesting the Saudi coach induced Aus to build up on the right? Live, I was surprised we were playing on the right flank so much?

The difference between the longer diagonal balls played by Circati and Geria is interesting. Circati has good vision and executes good passes over range when he played at RB.

The diagonal passes enable the receiver to have more effective body shape to receive the ball. Straight long high, balls advantage the body position of the opposing defenders, so they can be headed on. Or if the defender wins, it often results in a second ball contest.

I hadn't thought that Burgess was an effective long passer, whilst Geria isn't, until you elucidated it in this thread.
 
Vellupilay came back and recieved a short pass from geria maybe 4 to 5 times in the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half which killed the saudi press. Dont recall him giving the ball away much either. Completely changed the game.

Hrustic is quite static in his off the ball work.

When Aus has the ball, Hrustic doesn't do much to open passing lanes. Hence , he doesn't get the ball much, particularly against effective, cohesive defences.

The average fan, and even former Socceroos and current pundits, Archie Thompson, and Bruce Djite, the highly accredited and educated at one stage A United Tech Dir, thought Hrustic was very effective on the ball a few times. True, he was. They contended with his good close ball control in the first half, why doesn't the team get the ball to Hrustic more often, because he is so effective on the ball?

Hrustic just doesn't show for the ball enough when teammates are just about to receive it, or have it at their feet. Hrustic doesn't check and shake the opposition markers enough with his low work rate. Aidan H isn't the typical Aus player. Not sure where he was coached in his development?

A player who receives a lot of criticism from fans, who shakes his markers and creates space well by opening passing lanes effectively, or creates dummy runs, is Mitch Duke.

Your point about Villupillay more actively moving off the ball, in our Ball Possession, is excellent. I haven't seen the replay yet, but in all probability, Nishan V dragged his marker out of the the Saudi defensive formation - or - NV was roaming and harder to mark. Saudi likely assumed a Zonal Marking system, not the less favoured Man Marking system. Hence, he opened passing lanes, or created dummy runs - resulting in space created for teammates.

Moreover, Nishan V closed down space more effectively when Aus was in Ball Possession Opposition. Plus he created more body on body duels with the Left Back Saudi marker, or others, when they had the ball, or there were 50/50 contests that he forced.
 
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