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Poppa Out

grazorblade said:
1) more yes than no. I dont think anyone can look st poppas tenure and not see mistakes. Sega and triantis, no backup rwb, starting nish and leckie, subbing on the weakest pen saver and not giving them enough notice. But i think poppa is still coaching above our level. I preferred arnie who could be more attacking or defensive depending on the game. The problem is our pool of coaches is thin and every option we have that has had consistent success in the a league has only 1 style. I think foreign coach for the same money would be a step back. So in summary i think we have a coach which is above our current level and we dont have a lot of options to improve

2) absent another flexible coach like arnie id like to see our 3 paths to goal improve. Most goals are coming from counter attacks. We have produced dangerous moments in pressing triggers (particularly against saudi at home) and our set pieces need to improve. Im open to changing our set piece coach. Is it jedi? Didnt he have trouble with set pieces in the epl?

3) no where near our ceiling. If nothing changes in our pathways we hit our ceiling when 8 birth years playing at a higher level are at an age where they can perform at their peak. We are producing better players starting bos's year in 2002 and players these days decline at 32ish. So we will hit our peak in 2034
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Yes, I don't see an obvious successor to Popa, who I think has done reasonably well in any case. Corica, just joined Yokohama, don't see it happening. Muscat, my feeling is that he would prefer another crack at Europe. Stanton has some credentials but would be a punt. Cklamovski just signed with Salford. Papas and Montgomery I'm assuming would be on very good coin in their current positions. Brady at Port Vale is interesting and a manager I will keep an eye on this season but has been away from Australia for a very long time so how much he has followed Australian players is unknown. And a couple of others I've forgotten probably. And then you're into the foreign managers and the question of how bang for your buck you get with them.
 
John Aloisi perhaps the most natural choice but he's killing it in China atm so might be getting some attractive offers at season's end. No idea what sort of coin he's currently earning but probably very decent.
 
SocceroosFan84 said:
Marcelo Bielsa is available, he wanted to coach us ages ago, should put feelers out to see if he is still interested.
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He's my number 1 pick, but the FA clearly won't be letting Popa go. So our best bet is that after the Asia Cup, the FA grows some balls and decides to move a different direction, and that Marcelo is still available.

I think we need to get our local and Aussie coaches to get more experience in tougher leagues, and in tougher situations. Also get some time with other top quality coaches or in systems that develop their craft. Some of them have 1 or 2 good seasons in one league and suddenly we want them coaching that national team, but we have no clear vision, so we just jump to the flavour of the month.
 
Before poppa out how about the board of FA out.

This batch of wishy washy flotsam couldn't organise a shinding in a brothel with fistfuls of "Benjamins". The WC appearance money is either gone or will be gone. What now.

Once the board has people on it with some semblance of brains (become financially prudent), eyes (see what is really happening in smallville), nose (smell bullshit), heart (love the game not the board seat position), spine (say no to what is wrong) and balls (stand up and challenge to make sure Aus football is not being fucked over), then they can seriously look for a new manager.
 
Barca4life said:
I’ve got a feeling he’s reputation would have been dented after this World Cup, it might make him cheaper to go for lol
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Better get his VISA sorted before Pauline comes to power, he doesn't even speak English and guarantee as hell he won't adopt the "dinky di" monoculture..
 
dr. bellows said:
Yes, I don't see an obvious successor to Popa, who I think has done reasonably well in any case. Corica, just joined Yokohama, don't see it happening. Muscat, my feeling is that he would prefer another crack at Europe. Stanton has some credentials but would be a punt. Cklamovski just signed with Salford. Papas and Montgomery I'm assuming would be on very good coin in their current positions. Brady at Port Vale is interesting and a manager I will keep an eye on this season but has been away from Australia for a very long time so how much he has followed Australian players is unknown. And a couple of others I've forgotten probably. And then you're into the foreign managers and the question of how bang for your buck you get with them.
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Morgan, Muscat and Milligan the best local options imo but tend to agree that Milligan is a tad early.
 
kiro kompiro said:
Ange on steroids.

We need a manager that can create a solid defense, make use of IK as a second striker or wide striker and work on set pieces.
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All that can easily be deferred to his assistant-coach/es.

The bottom-line is that, as Barca4life states, his stock has just taken the degree of nosedive that actually makes him a genuinely realistic option for us(moreso than 10yrs ago when we last approached him). And though I am of the opinion that he’s just a tad past it in general, I still take him in a heartbeat over the locals baying for the gig.

In fact, were Bielsa to get the job, in an ideal world he’d rope in Millsy as an assistant.
 
At the end of the day the FA will make a decision whether to continue with Popovic based on a few criteria. The first should be style that best suits the way Australia wants to play (set by the Technical Director) followed closely by what is realistically affordable.

We don’t want to be asking the same questions after the next World Cup. We need arrive at a style (determined by the Technical Director), ideally that is realistic and acceptable to Australia’s football and general sporting public but importantly maximises our chances of winning at a confederation level and having deep runs at world competition and all at an affordable price.

Take your pick or add your own.

ManagerStyle ClassificationPrimary Tactical PhilosophyBudget Suitability / Estimated Salary (AUD)
Ange PostecoglouElite / Ultra-ProgressiveThe original "Ange-ball": heavy relentless possession, inverted full-backs, high-velocity attacking wavesExorbitant / Financially Impossible ($19,200,000 base)
Kevin MuscatProgressive / DominantHeavy possession-based dominance, inverted wing-backs, high-scoring structuresExorbitant / Out of Reach ($6,000,000 package)
Marcelo BielsaElite / Ultra-ProgressiveFamous high-velocity, man-marking press ("Bielsa-ball"), intense vertical attackingExorbitant / Out of Reach (Market value $4.5M+)
Graham ArnoldPragmatic / Culture-DrivenHeavy emphasis on "Aussie DNA", strong defensive blocks, wing-heavy transitions, elite locker-room cultureExpensive ($1,800,000 – $2,200,000 package value)
Tony PopovicTraditional / PragmaticDefensive low-block, 5-back systems, rigid structureCurrent Manager ($1M–$1.5M)
Carlos QueirozTraditional / DefensiveElite tournament pragmatism, highly disciplined low-blockBudget Limit ($1.2M–$1.5M)
Hervé RenardProgressive / High-IntensityAggressive physical pressing, high-line defense, heavy motivational/tactical flexibilityBudget Limit / Volatile (Market value $1.1M – $1.5M+)
John AloisiProgressive / AdaptableQuick vertical transitions, heavy youth integration, balanced but aggressive pressingExpensive / Stretch Budget ($900,000 – $1,300,000)
Mark van BommelBalanced / PragmatistPositional overloads, asymmetric fullbacks, heavy central defensive coverBudget Limit (Market value $1.2M+)
Nick MontgomeryProgressiveHigh-pressing, vertical attacking, heavy youth integrationAffordable ($700k–$1M)
Patrick KisnorboHybrid / High-IntensityHigh fitness demands, aggressive press, structured but rigidAffordable ($500k–$750k)
Peter CklamovskiUltra-ProgressiveHigh-possession, attacking "Ange-ball", fluid movementHighly Affordable ($350k–$550k)
Mark MilliganProgressive / High-EnergyFluid, high-energy attacking style focused on empowering youth prospectsHighly Affordable ($300k–$450k)
Trevor MorganProgressive / DevelopmentProactive, bold possession, rigid multi-pillar structural developmentIn-House / Ultra-Affordable ($250k–$350k)
 
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SocceroosFan84 said:
Putting Milligan in this early would be an unmitigated disaster. The bloke is in his first senior coaching gig, yes he had success last season but that doesn't mean he's ready for the national team job.
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This is the thing for me. People and the FA see one season of success and think they should be next in line.

I like that we want to have local coaches be successful, but we need to look at what is required for the moment. Local coaches come in and because it is such a big job, only focus on the immediate success, not the structural change.
 
SocceroosFan84 said:
Putting Milligan in this early would be an unmitigated disaster. The bloke is in his first senior coaching gig, yes he had success last season but that doesn't mean he's ready for the national team job.
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It seems people just want quick-fixes, not to mention the fairytale-aspect of if he actually ends up being worth it this early on in the caper.

But wishful-thinking’s all that is; it’s high-time we started dealing with reality instead.
 
BA81 said:
It seems people just want quick-fixes, not to mention the fairytale-aspect of if he actually ends up being worth it this early on in the caper.

But wishful-thinking’s all that is; it’s high-time we started dealing with reality instead.
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DIfferent sport but it's the same as when Michael Cheika got the Wallabies job in 2015 off the back of him leading the Waratahs to Super Rugby glory the season before, just because one has had one bit of success at club or provincial level means they are ready for the national team gig.
 
zimbos05 said:
This is the thing for me. People and the FA see one season of success and think they should be next in line.
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Who have the FA put in after one season of success?

I wouldn't be surprised if Popa moves back to clubland - probably in Asia after the Asian Cup. He'll be aware of the massive wickets some of his peers are on and will be thinking: Me too!

How old is Bielsa? Is he getting beyond it?

My dream team would be Herve Renard with Millsy as assistant.
 
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