I wasn’t after argument but your counter approaches had that vein imo
You were not the only one who responded to me when I said Messi is not a good person. Pile on was not simply about you
Zim - can I say I read your showing you’ve had to fight over things countless times - it’s ok mate.
I’ve seen his mis behaviour but am I allowed to slightly turn the cheek for as I said his positives far outweigh his negs to me.
Can’t you accept that.
If you want to turn the cheek thats fine. In saying that, if you are able to turn the cheek it means that he has done some wrong things, and therefore my view about him is fair.
Comparing Messi storming off at PSG to a systemic pattern is a stretch. PSG was a toxic, unhappy time where the club culture was a mess and the local ultras were booing one of the greatest players in history.
Dude, you are just digging a deeper hole by finding excuse after excuse and trying to justify bad behaviour. He is arguably the best player of his generation. Kids only need to see something once for it create and set an example for them. Look at excuses you find for Messi, yet are willing to attack Ronaldo. Now magnify those attacks on Ronaldo thousand fold and you expect him to not have moments of weakness too and be upset about the way he gets treated.
- You're going to have to ignore the audio.
There was also the time he refused to be substituted against Eibar when Luis Enrique was coach.
Wanting to get off a pitch where you're being scapegoated isn't a shocking character flaw.....
It's a moment of normal human frustration.
Only Messi has moments of normal human frustration and we must always give him the benefit of the doubt?
You're trying to equate a handful of isolated, heated outbursts over a two-decade career to a sustained personality trait.
No I'm not. Ronaldo has not been spitting the dummy for two-decades. This is a recency bias narrative. When he was at United, he never spit the dummy, even when Fergie told him he would not sell him to Madrid. He put his head down, did the work, won the titles, and then left. All accounts talk about the level of hard work he puts in to be the best. Of course he is going to be a bit upset because people like you keep attacking him. I don't justify bad behaviour, but you are saying that Messi is allowed moments of frustration, for the exact same reasons that you are saying Ronaldo isn't.
And I know you're going to come back with.... "which is what I did to Ronaldo" card, qbut when people criticise Ronaldo for being a little bit provocative or petulant, it’s usually because it aligns with a long, documented pattern of public posturing, high-profile media outbursts, throwing armbands, storming down tunnels mid-match (as Big Ange just saw firsthand), and openly clashing with managers and clubs (Manchester United, Juventus, Al-Nassr, Portugal).....
High profile media outbursts?? I've literally given you evidence of Messi doing the exact same thing. I've posted articles of players who have said Messi is shitty. People who were in locker rooms with him and played with him.
I actually didn't mind his clash with Ole/Ten Hag. United was a shit show and he was demanding improvement. He was demanding changes and the club was stalling and going backwards. He came from a United that was the best in the world and saw one that was quickly falling down hill. I don't mind that he clashed. Could it have been better, sure. I don't think it's a great example for kids, but neither is Messi.
With the little fella...when you have to scan a thousand games over two decades to scrape together four moments of petulance, you aren't describing a petulant person you are describing a normal human being who managed to stay remarkably composed 99.9% of the time.
I didn't have to scan thousands of games, it also isn't just four moments. There is plenty of evidence online. I am very much describing a petulant person.
Well, this is debunked because I am a football fan and my second impression of him is petulant.
