Interview with Les Scheinflug

[grazorblade]

Oh man o man
Oh kudos we finally matched GG 06 in 20 bloody 3, thank Christ we finally did nearly into aged care for me when next hahaha
As for the wonder kid chicken before the egg we wait and see.
Re your on the fence NSL period your call.
My aleague out isn’t not finding a club it’s not a comp that I relate in todays world when opportunity is there to correct the ledger and flip the game here finally.
Footballs probs is easy to see re crowds - if we had more wogs we don’t need neutrals hahaha
As you well know just as today you have your mix of work horses and pretty players - that hasn’t changed it’s always a mix.
There can only be so few brilliant players with their feet.
TC your hero - ever wonder how Chris Wood is playing epl right now - infact just watched his Forest beat United at OT and scored - yer TC would cut the mustard.
Our mate Graz above quoted a couple here’s another Zelic good on his feet.
Yep the rest make up as the workers right now we got oh fit donkeys.
What’s really telling in your posts is we still haven’t produced class players near Dukes and HK being you say that.
With all the intel
All the new methods of coaching
So much fitter but Not faster
Since their days - but we wait it’s coming eh.

By the way don’t think my pov was about the past players per se but their legacy due to the old systems - That prick Lowy I’m dirty on he’s no game saviour but commercial ogarlord that put us right behind the 8 ball ! And we’re still playing catch up and a disjointed game !

Unfortunately I think the magic juice of the gg was the ad hoc p and r system we had, as clunky as it was. The last generation produced by the nsl (born 81 to 84) wasn't very different in quality to any 4 year age group between 85 and 1999. There seems to be an upswing for players born 2003ish on, but no hks or vidukas.

I say unfortunate because I'm skeptical we get p and r soon. Still perhaps it will help a bit if there is p and r between npl and nst, even if the top is closed shop. Or we have some other ad hoc system

Don't know if lowry had anything to do with the nsl abandoning p and r? (Though of course the a league model took us a step further away from p and r) Having said that, introducing a league with 1 third the pathways, no underage teams, no b teams and a shortened nyl can't have helped. Since the ais was closed due to failure to qualify 2 Olympics in a row, plausibly those decisions meant the aid died too

 

[Barca4life]

It’s ok to say and I think this gets lost in translation when people talk about the popularity of the Aleague and how it’s done for the sport especially in earlier times but throwing away what worked for the GG is ironically paying the price for todays national team irrespective of how much has changed globally.

We might have better coaches now but the reality is we haven’t been the same since the GG era in terms of talent for whatever reason.

It’s up to FA to fix this but it seems they got a large task at hand to restore most of it back and will it make us competitive given how much more challenging Asia is getting is another thing.

We live in uncertain times

 

[Robbos]

Oh man o man
Oh kudos we finally matched GG 06 in 20 bloody 3, thank Christ we finally did nearly into aged care for me when next hahaha
As for the wonder kid chicken before the egg we wait and see.
Re your on the fence NSL period your call.
My aleague out isn’t not finding a club it’s not a comp that I relate in todays world when opportunity is there to correct the ledger and flip the game here finally.
Footballs probs is easy to see re crowds - if we had more wogs we don’t need neutrals hahaha
As you well know just as today you have your mix of work horses and pretty players - that hasn’t changed it’s always a mix.
There can only be so few brilliant players with their feet.
TC your hero - ever wonder how Chris Wood is playing epl right now - infact just watched his Forest beat United at OT and scored - yer TC would cut the mustard.
Our mate Graz above quoted a couple here’s another Zelic good on his feet.
Yep the rest make up as the workers right now we got oh fit donkeys.
What’s really telling in your posts is we still haven’t produced class players near Dukes and HK being you say that.
With all the intel
All the new methods of coaching
So much fitter but Not faster
Since their days - but we wait it’s coming eh.

By the way don’t think my pov was about the past players per se but their legacy due to the old systems - That prick Lowy I’m dirty on he’s no game saviour but commercial ogarlord that put us right behind the 8 ball ! And we’re still playing catch up and a disjointed game !

TC made a name for himself at Millwall and Everton as a CAM, especially in the GG era, it was not till later in life he became striker and a great one at that.

 

[Robbos]

This is also true (though I'd quibble and say bresciano and Neill were technically passable. Grella despite being a brutish defender also had good handling speed and in the new era rogic and mooy were technically decent)

We have some very decent technical players, Okon, Zelic, Mooy, Rogic, Bresc, Oar, Kruse, Luongo, Neill, Sainsbury, all quality but none at the level of Kewell or Viduka. This has never been our strength, Aussie players were not Bought for their skill but more athletic ability.
Now Spain and France are producing workhorses with skill Rodri and Kante.

 

[Robbos]

Unfortunately I think the magic juice of the gg was the ad hoc p and r system we had, as clunky as it was. The last generation produced by the nsl (born 81 to 84) wasn't very different in quality to any 4 year age group between 85 and 1999. There seems to be an upswing for players born 2003ish on, but no hks or vidukas.

I say unfortunate because I'm skeptical we get p and r soon. Still perhaps it will help a bit if there is p and r between npl and nst, even if the top is closed shop. Or we have some other ad hoc system

Don't know if lowry had anything to do with the nsl abandoning p and r? (Though of course the a league model took us a step further away from p and r) Having said that, introducing a league with 1 third the pathways, no underage teams, no b teams and a shortened nyl can't have helped. Since the ais was closed due to failure to qualify 2 Olympics in a row, plausibly those decisions meant the aid died too

I think you more than most agree, we are now producing more players with skill and less with physical ability and hence this brings the Asian countries more into it as previously we overpowered them.
Now we are trying to match them skill wise and this is far more equal playing field.

 

[LFC]

TC made a name for himself at Millwall and Everton as a CAM, especially in the GG era, it was not till later in life he became striker and a great one at that.

i know all too well what TC started as and ended up.
My example of Wood is that he hasn't the skillset imo what you are on about being successful in todays game.

 

[LFC]

I think you more than most agree, we are now producing more players with skill and less with physical ability and hence this brings the Asian countries more into it as previously we overpowered them.
Now we are trying to match them skill wise and this is far more equal playing field.

We overpowered them going so far back its not funny....way back.
Lets move ahead thats what we're talking about due a number of circumstances last 20+yrs.
We are producing more skill now ? alot of us watching Roo games must be blind.
Can't trap a ball on its button, lose possession left right centre, mis guided pass's, a midfield that hardly exudes skill sets.
Its pretty ordinary to say the least.
The equal playing field is - we're playing catch up whilst the other asian NT's due to their comps/investment, no rocket science and good on them its showing us up very well.

We have improved in the sense of shape and attitude needed for todays game but we're no where near what could have been possibly had we kept some relationship of the very foundations that came to be casted off - to a blank canvass but for entertaining mass's to attend games as we never had in the past.

 

[grazorblade]

We overpowered them going so far back its not funny....way back.
Lets move ahead thats what we're talking about due a number of circumstances last 20+yrs.
We are producing more skill now ? alot of us watching Roo games must be blind.
Can't trap a ball on its button, lose possession left right centre, mis guided pass's, a midfield that hardly exudes skill sets.
Its pretty ordinary to say the least.
The equal playing field is - we're playing catch up whilst the other asian NT's due to their comps/investment, no rocket science and good on them its showing us up very well.

We have improved in the sense of shape and attitude needed for todays game but we're no where near what could have been possibly had we kept some relationship of the very foundations that came to be casted off - to a blank canvass but for entertaining mass's to attend games as we never had in the past.

I agree we shouldn't have thrown out the old. However, on skills and our roos - our roos are going to be dominate by prime age players between 26 (birth year 1998) and 32 birth year (1992) which is the age group too old to benefit from the ntc or a league academies and also missed out to some degree on the nyl and the ais

Our youth development appears to improve from 1999 and gradually improves until you hit birth year 2004. We won't know what a roos side featuring these players looks like for a while. There are some early standouts but they haven't filtered up to the roos yet with the exception of bos and circati

 

[LFC]

Graz, cheers for your intel and outlook.
Look, 99 on they should be cranking it onwards now, 00's are 24 hitting prime !
The kids between 99/00 I see brilliant players in NPLand and in Prem 1's.
Sensational players using left right and outside of boot playing 1/2's and distribution, pace and movement.
Don't get why we don't see this enough in our Roos like this right now - yes here they are caught in the bottle neck.
There is heaps we can't service it to filter UP, need this NST and the Clubs getting Pro for as mentioned at 24yrs this is the time to shine.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

So instead what should he have done?

Well... if he really wanted to improve Australian Soccer, he could have used his connections and funds to keep AIS running, set up state academies and looked to broker a broadcasting deal for the existing, dying, league rather than burn it all and start again with hand picked McDonalds stores in each city just so his investor mates can have a new plaything?????

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

At the end of Lowy's reign, 2015-16, we had made 3 WCs, after 32 years of no appearances, won both men and women's Asian cups. WSW had won the Asian champions league.
I was on a Sydney Derby with 61k in attendances, remember thinking 16k was a poor crowd, Melbourne Victory was ave 25k a game for a season or two.
This was all before the internal war and the APL that destroyed a lot of this momentum.

I was at a friendly match between the Socceroos and Greece in 2006 with another 110K people mate... what does that mean?

 

[Robbos]

I was at a friendly match between the Socceroos and Greece in 2006 with another 110K people mate... what does that mean?

I gave you numerous examples you gave me 1.

 

[Robbos]

We overpowered them going so far back its not funny....way back.
Lets move ahead thats what we're talking about due a number of circumstances last 20+yrs.
We are producing more skill now ? alot of us watching Roo games must be blind.
Can't trap a ball on its button, lose possession left right centre, mis guided pass's, a midfield that hardly exudes skill sets.
Its pretty ordinary to say the least.
The equal playing field is - we're playing catch up whilst the other asian NT's due to their comps/investment, no rocket science and good on them its showing us up very well.

We have improved in the sense of shape and attitude needed for todays game but we're no where near what could have been possibly had we kept some relationship of the very foundations that came to be casted off - to a blank canvass but for entertaining mass's to attend games as we never had in the past.

I don't disagree that we have played poorly on the last couple of years, let's not forget, how poor we were with the GG with Farina before Guus took over, stop looking with rose coloured glasses.
Even lots of matches under GA in Asian cup 2007 we were dreadful. I saw lots of poor games under Pim and Holger with the GG. We had two 6 nil defeats under Holger
People have short memories, Im not saying we are great now, I'm saying we never have been great for long periods.

 

[Robbos]

I agree we shouldn't have thrown out the old. However, on skills and our roos - our roos are going to be dominate by prime age players between 26 (birth year 1998) and 32 birth year (1992) which is the age group too old to benefit from the ntc or a league academies and also missed out to some degree on the nyl and the ais

Our youth development appears to improve from 1999 and gradually improves until you hit birth year 2004. We won't know what a roos side featuring these players looks like for a while. There are some early standouts but they haven't filtered up to the roos yet with the exception of bos and circati

I totally agree, we needed to build on what we had and work on the Skills that were lacking.
Roger Federer once said after being 2 sets up against Lleyton Hewitt only to lose I'm 5 sets.
'Hewitt was no 1 in the world, I knew I was better but my head was not as strong, as soon as I get head right I will be best on the world.
Countries like Spain, Portugal had better skills than England Germany but didn't have the mentality.
Spain France and Portugal worked on Mental side and Germany and England worked on getting greater skills.

 

[LFC]

I don't disagree that we have played poorly on the last couple of years, let's not forget, how poor we were with the GG with Farina before Guus took over, stop looking with rose coloured glasses.
Even lots of matches under GA in Asian cup 2007 we were dreadful. I saw lots of poor games under Pim and Holger with the GG. We had two 6 nil defeats under Holger
People have short memories, Im not saying we are great now, I'm saying we never have been great for long periods.

NO rose coloured glass’s.
We have always struggled getting through.
The last 2 cups we have qualied the longest on record routes therefore not last couple of years playing poor been ages !
No short memories.
We have played average many many times this is us it’s more so today looking through rose coloured glass’s.
The talking were better, improved etcetc they are not showing us much what people carry on about our improved developed players.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I gave you numerous examples you gave me 1.

Mate the MCG ALONE has had multiple soccer crowds over 90k in recent years, most of them for meaningless friendlies.... its doesnt mean anything....

5-7K EVERY match for every team is much greater than 3-4 times a year massive crowd is my point.

As for "achievements" well when we where in Oceania Australian clubs (one of them Sydney) also won the Champions league and competed in Club World Cup.... We ALSO played in a World Cup as a Nation long befpre either National competition was ever established... I really don't understand how just scraping into qualifying for world cups is seen as a "win"???? If you are satisfied that this division in the game 20 years later is justified by "finishing 11th" in Qatar then there isn't much more to argue......

 

[Robbos]

Mate the MCG ALONE has had multiple soccer crowds over 90k in recent years, most of them for meaningless friendlies.... its doesnt mean anything....

5-7K EVERY match for every team is much greater than 3-4 times a year massive crowd is my point.

As for "achievements" well when we where in Oceania Australian clubs (one of them Sydney) also won the Champions league and competed in Club World Cup.... We ALSO played in a World Cup as a Nation long befpre either National competition was ever established... I really don't understand how just scraping into qualifying for world cups is seen as a "win"???? If you are satisfied that this division in the game 20 years later is justified by "finishing 11th" in Qatar then there isn't much more to argue......

You are choosing not to read what I said
I'm in no way pleased with the way we are playing.
We player well in Qatar and played far better than our qualification rounds where we were dreadful
My comment was against those talking about the GG era that we were so much better with the NSL, this is what I'm debating, we are not.
I commented under Farina in 2000-2005 we were average until Guus took over, Asian cup 2007 under Arnold we were dreadful full of GG era full of PL players.

 

[Robbos]

NO rose coloured glass’s.
We have always struggled getting through.
The last 2 cups we have qualied the longest on record routes therefore not last couple of years playing poor been ages !
No short memories.
We have played average many many times this is us it’s more so today looking through rose coloured glass’s.
The talking were better, improved etcetc they are not showing us much what people carry on about our improved developed players.

If you read my first line I agreed that we are not playing good football now
My point is we never have, outside Kewell and Viduka we never had the players.
So I'm half agreeing with you.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

You are choosing not to read what I said
I'm in no way pleased with the way we are playing.
We player well in Qatar and played far better than our qualification rounds where we were dreadful
My comment was against those talking about the GG era that we were so much better with the NSL, this is what I'm debating, we are not.
I commented under Farina in 2000-2005 we were average until Guus took over, Asian cup 2007 under Arnold we were dreadful full of GG era full of PL players.

C'mon Robbo, dont change the debate half way through a conversation.... were almost ... almost in agreement now

20 years of Lowys "new football" and the needle on our playing level hasn't moved (apart from a few blips here and there)... It was "worth it" for you and your fellow Aleague fans but was it for ALL of football in Australia .... thats my question to you.

 

[LFC]

If you read my first line I agreed that we are not playing good football now
My point is we never have, outside Kewell and Viduka we never had the players.
So I'm half agreeing with you.

yes I read your post very well mate, yes we agree and as I mentioned its been years not 2 as you mentioned posts back, correct we've always had to fight for wins.
Point I'm making what we currently have as a model developing our young troops its not producing players up to the speed of our opponents.
Sure put aside the 1/2 outliers that most countries unearth - I'm talking well rounded competitive players who in the modern day of football intel/stats and operations we are behind and we got a Pro league for 20+yrs - trapping a ball/under pressure hasn't changed, you either got it or don't, keeping the ball close to your feet, why are we looking 2nd rate more than 1st rate.
Just give me a team or workers who can run down or out smart their opponent, be first to the ball, intercept regularly, pass accurately consistantly, have pace we are slow, go forward and also importantly defend like your life depended on it.
Go review the Jets coachs press interview of the other day.